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  • takeda@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • nifty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Like, I can drink out of this thimble deep

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think the only country that’s legit happened to was Iraq,

    Usually it’s more about how traumatized the POWs captured by your country’s soldiers were. Unbroken being the major cinematic example, and all the stories about Senator McCain refusing early release and being tortured for it and the guy who blinked reports of torture out in morse code while reading a hostage statement in Vietnam being the more “stuff of legends” examples.

    American Sniper is the only one I’ve seen where it’s about how some soldier who didn’t experience anything above the typical background humm of war felt about the whole thing.

    Probably because being a US military troop is the least dangerous it’s ever been, so the major condition most troops will face isn’t death or permanent injury, but instead PTSD from having faced combat or Survivor’s guilt from having been suddenly shifted off the rare doomed mission or patrol that still claims casualties at the last second.

    Most enlisted troops are just career workers in camo with a REALLY rigorous on the job fitness program. There’s a reason the US is everyone’s intel and logistics repository, and it’s because for every dollar spent on actually fighting, ten grt spent on building up so much intelligence that the deck is as stacked as it can be before the cards even come out of the box to be dealt.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the only country that’s legit happened to was Iraq,

      MAS*H (Korea)

      Jarhead (Iraq, but the first time)

      Lone Survivor (Afghanistan)

      The Men Who Stare at Goats (Guantanamo Bay Torture Facility in Cuba)

      Letters from Iwo Jima (Pacific Theater - WW2)

      Saving Private Ryan (European Theater - WW2)

      Heartbreak Ridge (Grenada)

      Full Metal Jacket (Vietnam)

      Rambo (Vietnam)

      Apocalypse Now (Vietnam)

      We Were Soldiers (Vietnam)

      Good Morning, Vietnam (Vietnam)

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      • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, because fucking Rambo of all movies is about how bad american soldiers felt about what they did.

        Thanks for the laugh

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      • sartalon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t think you’ve seen some of these movies if you think it has anything to do with how sad it made them.

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      • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t know about the others, but MAS*H seems to be heavily anti-war. Hawkeye obviously has deep contempt for the war and generals, and the more pro-war characters are decipted as insufferable pieces of shit.

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      • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, because fucking Rambo of all movies is about how bad american soldiers felt about what they did.

        Thanks for the laugh

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      • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just to pick one, Jarhead is not repeat not a war film. It’s about the Suck and sometimes you train for training sake

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    • atro_city@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the only country that's legit happened to was Iraq,

      Vietnam?

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      • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Vietnam movies were usually either about POW experiences or about the absolute pointlessness of it all, which doesn’t really line up with “bombing your country and then making movies about how sad it made them”

        I have literally never seen a depiction of Vietnam that was positive or shy of direct condemnation of how terrible it all was.

        Seriously, even Forrest Gump’s innocent portrayal of it still managed to underline in bold that it was all pointless, needless, and cruel beyond reason.

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      • Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How do you forget Vietnam…

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    • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As others have said there’s a bunch more, but the one that really grinds my gears is The Covenant

      We really spent 20 years telling these terps they and their families would be safe, then just fucking left and made a MOVIE about that shitty bullshit underhanded move?

      Put every single goddamn joint chief in front of congress and ask why this is a fictional tale

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      • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly what gets me about evac failures and abandonments is the Berlin Airlift.

        We had the logistics to mount a months long rescue operation that could get everyone fleeing out decades before these rushed withdrawals.

        Everyone in Saigon and Kabul could have been gotten out, fuck we could have mounted a rolling evac bringing collaborators behind lines and transporting them in a trickle so that the last folks out are in a relatively empty air schedule. Expanding and contracting sphere, keep everyone who’s in it willingly behind the line so long as they willingly continue to move with it.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      the only country that’s legit happened to was Iraq

      😂😂😂😂😂

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ten grt

      Is this “ten are”, and a really bad typo? Or is grt some form of currency abbriviation I don’t get?

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      • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ten get

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  • boatsnhos931@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You better play dead homie, we make a lot of sequels

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  • moonburster@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tbf a lot of movies in America are subsidized by the army. If a movie plays in America and has army vehicles in then, check for them in the credits

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    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Same with games like CoD. Fucking Activision has former CIA execs working for them. And how they use real events in the games and spin them around to make America look like the good guy.

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      • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Good guy might be generous.

        CoD makes the US and her allies look like Hodor at the door. A big dumb idiot holding back the swarm.

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    • UrbonMaximus@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Technically correct, but your comment makes it sound like the military is actively commissioning movies, which is not the case. When Hollywood wants to make historical or war movies, they have few options:

      • Buy the equipment - one military ship or airplane can be more than the whole movie’s budget.
      • Prop/CGI - may look bad and doesn’t guaranty to be cheaper.
      • Get all the gear for free, loaned out from the military (including training and specialists) - but they get to edit and approve your script.

      I wish there were more options for independent and critical movie makers.

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      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The person you replied to said “subsidized”, which implies what you just explained. The US military provides support to movies and TVs. However, it would be naive to think that the military still doesn’t try to influence the production. It’s been a long time since I have listened to it but there was a podcast mentioning “Zero Dark Thirty” having influence from the CIA; and the movie is about justifying torture to get results for “the greater good”. This is in spite of the report commissioned during the Obama era that torture never yielded any significant results.

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      • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        just another reason to love animation

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    • theacharnian@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To be fair… to whom?

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  • essell@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Originally a Frankie Boyle joke?

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    • Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep, the wording here is slightly different (worse)

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    • Theme@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was just checking the replies to see if someone beat me. Pretty sure I saw him say it on mock the week like 15 years ago

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  • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    On the other hand, it’s the safest and the most relateable way to bring it to the table.

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  • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    america drone-bombed a wedding, then a movie was made where that happened to muddy the waters

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  • creditCrazy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As an American I don’t think America would want to bomb my country to oblivion

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    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that’s because they don’t need to; you already have the congress and the supreme court for that.

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    • zaph@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe not the whole country but we’ve taken out cities.

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      • Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And entire neighborhoods, but it’s totally okay because those were “poor” (aka majority black/Hispanic)

        The cops investigated themselves, so we know it was a legitimate bombing and not some kind of hate crime disguised as excessive force.

        Here’s the ------> /s <------- since I know some people who unironically believe things like this.

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      • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Operation Rolling Thunder. Had some agent orange and napalm sprinkled on top too.

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Uhhhh… you DO realize Republicans have been screeching about a new civil war for years, right?

      There is a HUGE portion of this country that would ABSOLUTELY bomb their neighbors if they could get away with it.

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    • blindbunny@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You realize America has bombed itself multiple times as well right?

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    • makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A lot of people believe that’s what 9/11 was.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wait til you find oil there 😋

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      • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        * stares at California and Texas *

        …nah.

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    • HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You don’t want to know where the first bombing mission the US military took place then.

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    • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      [Citation needed]

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      • creditCrazy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        My citation is I’m making a sarcastic joke

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    • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s exactly what they want you to think! Muahhahah

      Seriously though… It’s not REALLY the US that’s doing these things… It’s the global oligarchy… They just use American soldiers because we were the only ones left with any after WW2 and it stuck. The oligarchy has no allegiance to any country or people and would absolutely bomb the shit out of America if it profited them.

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    • EtzBetz@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell that Trump. Maybe not with bombs, but there are other methods.

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    • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s what handguns and assault rifles are for!

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    • nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      for now

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  • JoYo@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And you’ll pay top dollar to watch it on opening weekend.

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  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and then they will retire there.

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  • Bye@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh my god there’s more than one person in America??? And they can have different thoughts and opinions? What the fuck?

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    • Kanda@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, there’s only this one angry rich dude who goes invading countries on his own. Just because he’s a dick.

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    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you’re defending the people who went in to the Middle East and got PTSD, you’re gonna find the fediverse is a little too woke to forgive those soldiers

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      • Bye@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not sure what too diverse means but it looks like you were right

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The film Civil War is basically America capitalising on its own imminent self-destruction.

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  • daltotron@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    america, home of the crybully industrial complex

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So should we not make films that show how fucked up specific wars are?

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    • Krono@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It would be better to have war crimes trials to show how fucked up specific wars are.

      Being able to make movies showcasing your past crimes is not a sign of a healthy society…

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Again, this is not the government typically making these movies. It’s artists which are horrified by war.

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    • orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We: filmmakers

        Their goals: shine a light on how fucked war is. I cannot actually remember watching a war movie that didn’t make me deeply saddened by the brutality. Apocalypse now is a perfect example.

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  • uebquauntbez@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same with Russia atm in Ukraine. Geopolitics as usual.

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    • volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whataboutism? Sure, fuck the illegal invasion, but why the need for whataboutism?

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s one of the things I like about the movie Three Kings. They make no excuse about who invaded who and who was ripping off who.

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