How many people actually want fully on-site IT jobs?

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨BurningnnTree@lemmy.one⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I’ve been looking for a new job as a software developer. The huge majority of job listings I see in my area are hybrid or remote. I just had an introductory phone call with Vizio (which didn’t specify the location type in the job listing). The recruiter told me that the job was fully on-site, which I told her was a deal breaker for me.

It makes me wonder how many other people back out after hearing that the job is on-site. And it makes me wonder why this wasn’t specified in the job description. I assume most people only want hybrid or remote jobs these days, right?

Anyways I was just wondering how many of you guys apply for on-site IT jobs? Hybrid is so much better, I don’t know why people would apply for on-site jobs unless they have no other options.

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foggy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My ask is 4x salary for in office.

It’s usually met with “Well, that’s not going to happen…”

To which I reply “I know, right?”

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- downpunxx@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  "how bout that" lol
  
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- marcos@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Instead, the people offering the largest salaries are mostly remote-only.
  
  People that value your work value your work, I guess.
  
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  - corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How to win against the dead-sea effect, I guess.
    
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- corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  My ask is
  
  You mean ‘request’, right? You need to leave the used-car-salesbro jargon at the lot, man.
  
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  - foggy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, I mean “my ask.”
    
    That is what I am asking. It is my ask.
    
    What an absurdly pointless hair to attempt to split.
    
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OsaErisXero@kbin.run ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

It makes me wonder how many other people back out after hearing that the job is on-site. And it makes me wonder why this wasn't specified in the job description

They're trying not to get filtered by having it listed as on site up front, and banking on people saying "well, I'm already foot in the door i guess i could settle" once the interview process starts.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Which is already a red flag right there. Too bad there are no real consequences for their attempting to lie & cheat their way towards finding someone willing to put up with their BS, and at this point I don’t mean the on-site factor that is perhaps a legit need that they may have. It’s just how capitalism works, except that they’d really rather it work for rather than against them…:-(
  
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TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve been remote for over a decade; not going to stop now.

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- Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Same here. There is no reason to make me far less productive other than I’m pretty and people want to gaze at me adoringly in an office setting. It’s a weird fetish I guess, but I’ve seen weirder.
  
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- Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not even for a “Fruity Tuesday”???
  
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- marx2k@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Shit i just realized I’ve been doing remote for about 7 years now.
  
  Also not going to stop. No reason to especially since my team is spread across the states.
  
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KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d consider one, but it’d have to pay considerably more. Like, 50% or more above what I’d otherwise expect for a fully remote position, and it would have to be an easy commute.

In most cases it’s adding 20-30% to the length of the work day when the commute is included, plus costs of transportation itself. Plus the general inconvenience and the fact that it’s almost always going to mean a more toxic culture. But if the pay and benefits were absolutely fantastic, I’d consider it, at least short-term.

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- knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And the commute is considered working hours. An hour commute means I’m in the office 9-3. With a lunch break.
  
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  - corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    the commute is considered working hours.
    
    I think in Germany that’s part of the labour code: the clock runs the entirety of the time you’ve left the house on their instruction.
    
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- thirteene@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Another user was demanding 4x salary for in office, I would consider a 20% pay bump per in office day a reasonable request that likely results in a remote contract. It’s essentially saying it will cost you double to make me come in for that day.
  
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stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
IT guy here, I absolutely hate working from home, I want separation between my work life and my home life.

I need that to change my brain from home mode to work mode.

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- oozynozh@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Fellow IT guy here, I absolutely hate working from the office. Home life is my life and work life only matters to me insofar as it’s necessary to my home life.
  
  Anything taking my brain from home mode to work mode is an obstacle that should be avoided.
  
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- skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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  - stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I am sure they do enjoy it, just as I don’t.
    
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- Gumus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I took up online tutoring and teaching programming for kids. It has great benefits:
  
  It’s an hour or so after work, it has a fixed schedule so it forces me to clock out
  
  it makes me focus hard so I completely forget about work
  
  it pays for itself (not my corporate day-job rate, but I’m not doing it for free)
  
  I can try out languages and tech I’d normally wouldn’t be able to in my day job, or I’d have to invest my free time gor a side project
  
  I have a background in teaching… I like it, it’s fun and refreshing
  
  I’ve helped many kids jump start their interest in programming even in families that know nothing about tech at all. I’ve helped a few of them to get accepted to the school they wanted to and pursue a career in programming
  
  All in all, teaching after work makes for a great hobby and a strong barrier for my day job so I don’t find myself working late anymore.
  
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- tobogganablaze@lemmus.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yep, totally this.
  
  I occationally have to fix stuff on the weekend and even than I’ll rather go to the office than doing it from home.
  
  Also I have different monitor and keyboard setups and I really don’t like working on my home setup.
  
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- tty5@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  For me that’s achieved by being 6 timezones ahead - I finish work, turn off my computer and go to sleep.
  
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Bluefruit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
From what I’ve heard, most people that are for in office work like having the separation between work and home.

That being said, I think most folks want remote work or at least remote hybrid. It just makes more sense especially for me. I live far from my office (140 mile drive roundtrip), and working 3 days a week from home has been a god send.

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- poo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I did notice that the only people not opting for WFH/hybrid at my last job were all the married-with-kids types who hated being around their family and used work as an escape. It was really sad to see lol
  
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  - SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There’s a psychological stress with work that can take some time to slough off.
    
    Some people don’t want to log out of work and be grumpy or distracted during family time.
    
    That being said having a process or system as a habit to denote work/home is a good alternative.
    
    A 10 minute walk, a change of clothes, or some song you play, anything that creates a mental delineation. So the annoyance from that way too long meeting asking why something isn’t done (4 hours a day giving out status updates isn’t helping) doesn’t come out on the family.
    
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s understandable but like… you could go to a coffee shop or literally rent office space nearby to where you live - it doesn’t have to be all one way or the other. Anyway, if they truly do enjoy being surrounded by people then I don’t want to knock their totally valid preferences, just to say that there are other ways.
    
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  - BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There’s also a huge value to people working in the same space.
    
    Random conversations solve a lot of problems.
    
    And I’m someone that finds being in an office around people constantly to be exhausting. I just recognize the value.
    
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  - TAG@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Not wanting to work in a crowded home has nothing to do with disliking your family. Kids are loud. They run around the house. They watch TV with the volume set too high. They have excited calls with their friends. Many home builders skimp on noise insulation for interior walls.
    
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- tburkhol@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My brain definitely focuses better with environmental cues. I mean, I can work just about anywhere, but if I’m not in the mood, then having the environmental cues displaces alternatives. Subjectively, I feel more productive at work. Never had a really bad commute, so I was never motivated to try to set up a ‘work-only’ space at home, but I’d only do a 70 mile one-way drive for very special occasions.
  
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- corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  most people that are for in office work like having the separation between work and home.
  
  My apartment offers wework-style glass cube space, as well as (totally unused) conference space on the 30th floor. Big conference TV, kitchenette, global supra high-back seating (good-not-amazing) and panoramic river views.
  
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stinerman@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
We had an IT person quit this year because we transitioned to fully remote after they closed down the office in December 2020. He couldn’t handle working from home.

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- Modva@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Some people probably do not have home lives that they enjoy, I can imagine that.
  
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  - XeroxCool@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s not necessarily that they dislike the people, either. It could be an issue if the other people/animals at home aren’t cooperative with your need to work, despite being lovely in normal home situations. It could be a total lack of cooperative workspace - no desk space, too cluttered, areas already dedicated to other home tasks, noisy neighbors, easy distractions, etc. And then some people are just wholly impatient, who can’t identify what they need to make their home space more like their office space. Personally, I played a bunch of video games in 2020. I felt I performed better overall because blocking off an hour of game campaign kept me off my phone most of the day. Now I sit in an office again, scrolling here for more than an hour each day.
    
    But yes, I had a number of coworkers in 2020 that came back as soon as they could in order to get away from their families again. Work was their herculean daily task that gave them an excuse to be away from families and be too tired to engage with them after work. The kind that always joked “gonna go home, hit the wife, and fuck the dog”
    
    It’s not always outright negativity, but it can be.
    
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- downpunxx@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There's a lot of "play" in tasks accomplished when working in an office, not so much when companies have spy software gauging every minute one spend on their corporate owned pc's remotely, some find even less freedom when under that type of 9 hr scrutiny day in day out
  
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  - corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    when companies have spy software gauging every minute
    
    It’s not WHY people quit, but it’s why they don’t stay.
    
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- marcos@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have plenty of coworkers that are thrilled when we have an in-office event. And some that choose to go there to work every day.
  
  I can’t understand them, but well, it makes them happy.
  
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  - corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    thrilled when we have an in-office event. And some [who] choose to go there
    
    We call these ‘extroverts.’ We don’t understand them, but we can point them out.
    
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  - LwL@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Personally I just like my colleagues so it’s fun to be around them for the most part, and there are better lunch options around the office in my case (plus I’d never bother going somewhere when I’m home anyway). It being easier to just quickly ask a question is nice too. Also gets me actually out of the house and cycling for ~40 minutes a day. I also get way more done at work because working at the same pc I spend 90% of my free time at is not great at motivating my brain to do work.
    
    Still, if I didn’t have the option to just stay home when I don’t feel like going to the office/am waiting for a package or something, I’d find that very annoying.
    
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Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I might get down voted, but even for software dev, not all jobs can be done remotely. Software may need to interact with hardware, which requires to be on site. I am all in for hybrid or remote work, but totally see why some jobs require to be “on site”

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- Magister@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I am an embedded developer, I take the HW from office to bring at home, in the basement I have my “home office” with benches, soldering station, oscilloscope, etc so I can fully develop here. Working on a kitchen corner table would not be doable, true
  
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- Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  While definitely true, then it still shouldn’t be required to come in at all times. Hopefully, you can automate tests to the point where you do not need to physically interact with real hardware every day. And then it should be up to you, whether you want to come in or not.
  
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kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You’re talking specifically about software based IT jobs.

Those of us who deal with the hardware have alwaus been and will always be on-site and hands on.

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spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I work with a few who prefer the office over work from home. I think they need a way to escape the house/wife/kids and the office is the only quiet place they have to work.

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- kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  I work with a few who prefer the office over work from home.
  
  It does allow for a more clean break between work and non-work mindset.
  
  I find it helps maintain a more healthy work-life balance.
  
  Plus, I work on hardware, so it’s not like I can do that remotely most of the time anyway.
  
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  - funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I dont know if I agree with the work life balance.
    
    Shower, groom, dress and commute starting at 6.30am, work 8.30–5.30 and commute to 6.30/7
    
    or work 8.45-5.15ish and maybe spend an extra hour or two coupla times a week?
    
    Huge difference.
    
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  - Graphy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I enjoy office work more than wfh because I genuinely like the people I work with and I think we riff off each other way better in person
    
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- Simulation6@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have only ever worked on-site jobs, so I am very used to it. The main plus for me is interacting with my co-workers. You run into the occasional jerk or someone having a bad day, but usually it is a great way to learn new things and gain different perspectives.
  
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twinnie@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t want to bring work into my home, plus I like meeting people. The only problem is the commute.

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CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My dad is the only human being I know that likes his on-site IT job, but that’s probably because he’s getting away from the miserable woman he married for a few hours a day.

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- bitchkat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I was in that boat for a bit but it was my mentally ill adult child that I needed a break from.
  
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  - CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Different boat. You didn’t choose that. Best wishes!
    
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freewheel@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My company went remote first in April 2020. Even if I left here, there’s no way in hell I’m going back to an office.

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algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I guess I’m rare in that I like working in an office. My house is for relaxing and enjoying my time, so the few times I did WFH I really just want to curl up on the couch instead of work.

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fubbernuckin@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I really want fully on-site jobs. If i work at home then i never get mental separation of work and life, and so i feel like i can never actually live. It happened to me with all of my schooling and honestly with the distress it causes me, I’d be better off not living at all than doing that.

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stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Keep this in mind, some places raises will barely cover inflation.

Now factor in gas and, most importantly, time spent commuting.

All that on top of effectiveness in working with social interruptions, trips to the coffee machine, bathroom breaks, lunch, etc.

Any of these businesses that are pushing for on-site are locked into costs from renting space - guarantee it. I get wanting to do the occasional face showing or in person meetings, but they should be concise and few in number - if they’re an efficient shop. Plenty of new blood that get the value of hybrid/remote work.

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lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve been remote for the 3 years of work experience that I’ve had. I live in a city with piss poor public transportation and detest traffic, plus I enjoy waking up 10 minutes before having to clock in.

The pay and perks would have to be substantial for me to consider working on-site.

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otherbarry@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve been fully onsite basically the whole time, including during the pandemic, for me it’s been fine. Gets me out of my tiny studio apartment and keeps my work life at work. Also free A/C / heating at work.

The commute is also part of that decision making - for me the commute is a long walk outside to/from work every day. All that walking around outside sort of levels me out mentally & gets rid of any stress I had, not to mention the exercise.

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snooggums@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
About a third of the developers in my office choose to come into the office every day because they do not have a home office setup or they prefer to have that separation between work and home.

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Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
In my team, 2 out 15 people come to the office regularly, because they prefer the separation of work from free time.

I can definitely see some benefits from being on-site. You do occasionally just run into people, who can tell you really useful things for your job. And it’s definitely harder to keep track of what my wider team is working on, since we’ve gone mostly remote.

But those benefits just as well evaporate when “on-site” becomes two or more locations. I’m not going to run into someone who’s in a different office in a different city.
If I have to actively work together with people from different locations, I will also be wearing headphones all day, not able to socialize with the people around me. That makes it rather pointless to go into the office.

And yeah, just the flexibility of being at home is really useful. I can take a break from work to load my washing machine. I can sleep until 5 minutes before my first meeting. Or I can walk to the store in the morning, when it’s still cool outside.
So yeah, personally, I certainly wouldn’t go back to a fully on-site job, unless it’s somehow the best job in the world in other ways.

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kamen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The only argument I see in favour of office time is if your home situation doesn’t allow you to focus - family, kids and so on, or if you deliberately want a physical separation and you don’t have a dedicated office space at home.

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Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I would rather not be employed. I hated everything about my in-office jobs. The clothes, the pointless small talk, the “quick sidebars” that end up being longer than a meeting but could’ve just been a text conversation. The only thing I miss was lunchtime banter and finding fellow nerds to infodump with.

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CaptPretentious@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My job I’m classified as remote. And I like it that way. Recently they have decided that a bunch of people even if remote will now have to come on site at least hybrid. For “collaboration”. I even noted that in my employment contract I had in there that I was to work from home, to which HR said that they really don’t care.

My last year-end review was stellar. Top marks, praises from multiple departments, even got a promotion.

But I happen to live to close to a location, so there’s ‘simply nothing that can be done’. So I’ve already started looking for different work.

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JimSamtanko@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I would any day. I need my work life and home life to be separate or I go nuts.

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AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have a pretty good hybrid situation, where it’s probably good for me to get dressed and out of the house twice a week. It helps that it’s only three mile commute with no traffic. I’d probably look for that, even if I don’t like going in.

That being said, we hire across many time zones and I don’t even work with local people so I’m not sure the point. Why is my company wasting money on a local office so I can be on Zoom all day, but can’t spend the travel budget even once for me to meet my the people I work with (from Boston, I generally work with people in London, Toronto, Bangalore)

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darkmarx@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I run a development department, and nobody who reports to me comes to the office. We have been 100% remote since 2020… much to the chagrin of HR. Others in IT come in, but no developers. I see no reason to change it either. I question why I even come in most days.

Without looking it up, I don’t know how many people I’ve interviewed over the last 4 years, but there’s been a few. I’ve only had one person who indicated he wanted to be in an office. Every other person wants fully remote. The most common comment I’ve heard from people is saying they will settle for hybrid if full-remote isn’t available.

There’s some value to having people work together in-person, but I’d rather give my teams the flexibility to choose for themselves rather than force it.

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geekworking@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It really depends on where the office is in relation to your home.

Before covid and going WFH, the office was only 5 miles away on roads with no traffic. I would go back to this, no problem. Just enough to keep you on a schedule and get out of the house.

The biggest benefit of an office is that when you leave, you are gone until tomorrow.

When everyone is WFH, you never completely leave the office. I know boundaries, but in many cases, the lines can get a bit fuzzy.

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- GOTFrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  When Im done with workmy work vomputer is powered off, if they want me at the office I told my manager I expect a 20K raise and free parking.
  
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  - corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    my work [computer] is powered off[;]
    
    That’s the way. KVM switch if you multi-use the space. Mine has USB for sound so it’s the same sound setup.
    
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- corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  the office was only 5 miles away […] enough to keep you on a schedule and get out of the house.
  
  The new building where I live has wework spaces. I can rent on 5 and live on 20 and it’s an elevator ride if I want to work in the glass cube farm or open petri dish. But nooooo, we got this place for the AC and extra bedroom to write off and my cat’s sleeping on the desk as we speak like a sloppy floofy hobo so … nooooo.
  
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Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Software developer here. I only apply for onsite jobs if I believe I will be able to formally or informally switch to hybrid once I build some trust.

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jaschen@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Web marketer here. If it says hybrid or on site, it’s an automatic no for me. Nobody is taking me away from watching my son grow up.

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Persen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m planning to have an on-site job, so I can actually meet some new people.

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- kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Maybe you should meet yourself first
  
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