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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fossilesque@mander.xyz⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    By that definition could you have a swamp bog, a swamp fen, a marsh bog, and a marsh fen?

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    • oxideseven@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Wildlife biologist here, Absolutely.

      Oddly enough I usually see/write it fen/bog marsh. There are tons of other qualifiers too, like salt marsh, tidal marsh and such.

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      • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        I’ll have a tidal salt fen marsh, with extra tide.

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      • Pilon23@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Are any of the combinations more prevalent than others? E.g. do bogs/fens encourage or discourage trees from growing?

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      • NielsBohron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Oddly enough I usually see/write it fen/bog marsh.

        I was going to ask about the order of adjectives, actually, since I find esoteric grammar rules oddly interesting and have been on a bit of a “adjectives hierarchy” kick lately.

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      • livus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        I find this definition a lot more compelling than the one in the meme.

        In other words it’s more to do with geology and how the wetland has formed than it is to do with characteristics like ph and trees - those things sort of proceed from the basic structure.

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    • Pilon23@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      I’m also curious. Can’t find a way to subscribe to a thread, so I’m leaving a comment to check back later

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    • sverit@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      That’s mind bog-gling

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      • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        I just think it’s fenny

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  • Senseless@feddit.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    As non-native english speaking person that’s highly fascinating.

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    • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      I think this is more to do with scientists’ definitions than English in general. See also: what is and isn’t a nut, what is and isn’t a vegetable, is there such thing as a fish.

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  • SmoothOperator@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    How am I supposed to estimate the pH value of a given wetland area without specialised equipment?

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    • dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago
      1. Take a sip. Did you trip balls? Acid.
      2. Take a red wire, black wire, and a clock. Can you power the clock? Alkaline.

      Duh.

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    • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Just call it something online, if people don’t immediately pop out of nowhere to correct you, then you’re probably right.

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    • dogsnest@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      1. Determine whether it’s a swamp or a marsh.

      2. Tell someone else you did your part, now it’s their turn.

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    • brap@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      What, you don’t carry pH test strips around as a matter of routine? /s

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    • angrystego@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Learn botany. You can tell the approximate pH from the species of plants growing there.

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      • SmoothOperator@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Neat! Didn’t know that.

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    • Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Lick it.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Maybe you can find some red cabbage growing nearby?

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  • DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    So what do you call a wetland that has a neutral pH and mixed vegitation?

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    • scbasteve7@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Just from what I found, swamps are wetlands with woody vegetation being what DOMINATLY inhibits it. So if it’s mixed, find out what there is more of. If it’s 50/50, I guess the universe collapses.

      And a wetland with a neutral ph is just called a neutral wetland.

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Everything is a wetland.

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  • essteeyou@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Help, I’m stuck in a wetland, but I didn’t bring my litmus test!

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    • chellomere@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Sorry, I’m looking for you in the bog but you’re not there

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  • buttfarts@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    It feels so liberating to hear it just said put loud

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  • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I never knew the fen/bog part! The onky reason I knew the swamp/marsh part is trying to label things right for OpenStreet mapping

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  • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I’ve never heard of a Fen before

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    • Grabthar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      That’s cuz ya basic like one :)

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    • psud@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Fen the wetland type or fen the plural of (sci fi/fantasy) fan? Or had you heard of neither?

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      • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Sounds like it could be the name of a Hobbit. But no, never heard the word used before. I’m from Georgia and live in Virginia. Never been to a mountain wetland or to middle earth

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    • Chuymatt@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      You are not reading enough fantasy books, then.

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      • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        That’s because the old Something Awful ruined fantasy books back in the early 2000’s when the big series was ASOIAF. Going from GRRM to Sanderson, Hobbs, Abercrombie etc… just doesn’t hit the same. It’s like from crack to whippets.

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  • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I forgot already before I started writing this comment

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  • Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    do alkaline wetlands just almost never exist, because I’ve never heard the word fen before

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    • livus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      It’s basically a bog with freshwater coming in through the bottom.

      There are some in Massachusets, Colorado, Estonia, and this region of the UK called the Fens.

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  • BurnedDonut@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    And me still not giving a Fuck…

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  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    So, it would be a swampy bog and a marshy fen, but not a boggy swamp or a fenny marsh?

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  • therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I fucking hate Tumblr users

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  • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Huh, TIL

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  • Armand1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    How does this make you feel:

    www.ywt.org.uk/…/fen-bog-nature-reserve

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Pretty neutral

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  • maculata@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    PREACH! MUTHAFUKA!!!

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    • Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      LOUDER, FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BOG!

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  • Moonworm@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    This is one of my pet trivias :) hard to remember the pH for bogs and fens though. It has something to do with rain vs groundwater.

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  • Farvana@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Dale/glen???

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  • blackbrook@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    i love when scientists take a swamp of arbitrary language terms and decide to impose some arbitrary specific meanings on them for purposes of their specific discipline and then convince people who don’t really get how language works (i.e. most people) that the definitions are authoritative. it’s fun to watch the cognitive dissonance when this collides with actual usage and people get all angry and righteous.

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  • xpinchx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Thanks crossword puzzles!

    These come up pretty often for some reason.

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    • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Especially Fen!

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      • xpinchx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Epee, Oreo, era, isle, ore… Lol

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  • NABDad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    So is the pond in my yard that I created 25 years ago, but then neglected for most of the last 10 years a swamp or a marsh?

    There’s not a lot of woody crap growing in it, but there is a tree that sprouted at one end that I’ve been trying to kill.

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  • xeekei@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Further evidence that the Marshbadge and the Soulbadge were accidentally switched.

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  • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I went backpacking through a bog once. It was quite the experience. It felt so foreign, almost like being in a fantasy world. I have pictures from that trip, and 80% of them are in the bog. LOL

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  • the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I’m still trying to remember the difference between pron3/supine

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