[Serious] Why do so many people seem to hate veganism?

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• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They are way overly convinced their option is the best and only viable option, and they won’t shut up about. They also want special treatment at all gatherings. “You don’t have a vegan option?” “I said I was a vegan and all they gave me was a simple salad” “You’re hurting the environment” blah blah blah.

  Yes, “not all vegans are like that”, but enough are that it makes them all assumed to be annoying.

  How do you know someone is a vegan? Don’t worry. They’ll tell you.

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  • CalciumDeficiency@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can see why not having vegan options at gatherings is frustrating, tbh. For the same reason not having halal or kosher options is also frustrating if you are going to invite guests with those restrictions. Providing a decent vegan option is easy and nonvegans can also eat it, plus you can easily make it a catch-all option for gf folk as well. I wouldn’t throw a fuss about it, or post about it online, but I always try to make sure there’s a vegan option when bringing snacks in for the kids at school for example (I’m a highschool teacher) so everyone can participate

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t.

      I invited you to my event. You’re vegan? Too fucking bad.

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    • BombOmOm@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Providing a decent vegan option is easy

      Considering even a caesar salad (cheese) and Jell-O (gelatin) are not vegan, providing vegan options really isn’t particularly easy. Most events will have vegetarian options without even thinking about it. However, vegan options require very explicitly thinking about what is offered. Meanwhile, group event planning is already a PITA without such heavy restrictions.

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    • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Providing a decent vegan option is easy

      As someone who knows his ways around the kitchen: No. It is definitely not easy, even if you just go for the salad option. Have you ever looked at any ingredient list? Some store-bought “fresh” pasta is not vegan. A lot of things you would not think for a second about them containing animal products like salad dressings are actually not vegan. In a lot of countries, McDonalds fries are not vegan.

      And as soon as it comes to the necessity to replace non-vegan ingredients with vegan ones, you’ll fall down a rabbit hole of “this can be used to replace that, but only in those circumstances”, “Yes, you can replace X with Y, but you have to be careful to cover up some flavors”, or even “The replacement for X is basically a doctoral thesis in chemsitry”.

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See. Here we are. Even now. “Vegan option yadda yadda. So easy. Why would you invite such and such without thinking of food restrictions blah blah blagh”

      You couldn’t help yourself.

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• cmhe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Currently being vegan or vegetarian is a choice of privilege. An healthy and varied diet becomes more difficult and expensive, when you start removing dishes from your pallet.

  So it becomes coupled with a status symbol, instead of being the default way. As long as people call themselves “vegan” or “vegetarian” because of their choice (people being vegan or vegetarian because of mental or medical issues, is different case), they highlight that status over “normal” people.

  Creating societal change, to make vegan or vegetarian the default position, will also lessen their status. So they have incentives to not make produce a political or societal change.

  Vegans & vegetarians should go on protests and lobby to make vegan food cheaper and easier than meat, so that it becomes the default. If they don’t do that, and still call themselves vegan/vegetarian then that means it is all about showing their status, and people don’t like that.

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  • olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    During (and after) COVID I did, however, use some vegan tricks to make my food budget go farther. Specifically, using tvp to stretch out the amount of ground beef I needed to buy. I buy medium ground beef and use about half as much as I would usually use, then I add in tvp which absorbs the fat from the ground beef and takes on its flavour. This works especially well for any dish requiring ground beef in a sauce. Disclaimer: tvp is made from soy.

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    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oooh that sounds like a good idea! I’ve been noticing how much meat is taking a bite out of my food budget and trying to play with ways to stretch it a bit more until the kids are in school and my wife can start working.

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  • yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most poor people can’t afford meat so this is just an USA point of view

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• RealFknNito@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because nobody likes self aggrandizement. The perception that so many people only do it to make themselves appear to be better people because of their morally superior choice is often a vile taste to anyone who hasn’t made that same choice.

  We all know eating meat is bad and for the many reasons for it. What we don’t want to hear is that someone made the switch and that their bleeding heart simply couldnt take it anymore.

  I eat beyond meat and I do my best to transition, yet, I’d never say that for the purpose of making myself seem like a better person. Vegans typically do.

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• spittingimage@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In this thread: a log of confused vegans refusing to acknowledge the behaviour of other vegans and explaining why non-vegans’ experiences with them are wrong.

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• 3volver@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because it requires them to admit that what they’re choosing to do is damaging the planet more significantly than they need to in order to survive.

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• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What they really hate is being guilt tripped into changing their dietary habits.

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• waz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My personal experience: Trying to find a restaurant that has vegan friendly options isn’t always easy, and used to be much harder. That would make trying to find somewhere to eat as a group much more tedious if someone was vegan. I don’t think anyone had issue with the person being a vegan, I think they just didn’t like eating at the same two restaurants over and over.

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  • nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You could do what I do and just don’t eat when you go out. I did the same before I went vegetarian. Food is fucking stupid I’d rather sit there and tell jokes

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    • TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can also cheat. Reducing your meat intake some is better than nothing.

      But then you lose your superpowers, as we all saw in the documentary Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.

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• BigTrout75@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not just vegans. These a million of things that bring this up in people.

  Holier Than Tho - “having or showing the annoying attitude of people who believe that they are morally better than other people.”

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• ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People are haters, Lemmy is infested with them as you can see from other comments.

  The core of the hatred is the hater doesn’t want to admit they’re wrong. Nothing you can do about that, but the fact is there are certain societal choices that can solve our problems and there are certain people who do and don’t make those choices. Passionate vegans who try to convince people through force of rhetoric are usually wasting their breath, but effective activism doesn’t trigger the same flight of fight neurotransmitter cocktail that argumentation does.

  There’s also a TON of capital interest in bashing vegan lifestyles from animal agriculture, manufacturing and so on.

  The only way you can make someone into a vegan is to get them to decide that it’s the best thing for themselves. My grocery bill is $50 to $150 a week for a 2-person household and I’m able to stay in great shape with minimal exercise because I sleep better at night.

  Personally, I had a formative experience on a family ranch during steer castration that went badly. My dad says he saw the devil in the animal’s eyes, if you ask me though it was his own mug reflected back at him. Cheese has always stunk to me and meat always has this aroma of decay to it even though meat eaters tell me it’s good. A lot of people say things like “live and let live” and I think this is a good way of trying people’s words against their actions.

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• iiGxC@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Same reason people who love fossil fuels hate people who are worried about global warming

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• Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can only speak for myself, but not eating meat is not something that’s offensive. Nothing about veganism as a diet is offensive or in need of being critical of.

  It’s the reputation of them being insufferable and obnoxious. It’s their need to inject their diet into discussions that aren’t about them, or their diets. It’s the way they lord over everyone with a ‘holier than thou’ attitude.

  And I have experienced all these things first hand- MANY times.

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• JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wait til people find out you don’t drink alcohol! 🤯

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• Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I generally try not to bring it up, but I know folks that’ve resumed eating meat and we’re welcomed back with high-fives. This argues against the “preachy” argument in this thread. And people don’t get criticized the same way over eating unnutritious fast food all the time. My view is that some people feel criticized by other folks’ different life choices. When Alice to be in an out group, Betty is confronted with their own life choices.

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• Veraxus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To grossly oversimplify things, there are two kinds of vegans…

  Type 1 are “healthy living” and “sustainability” vegans. These type are generally benign, polite, helpful, and keep to themselves unless asked. They also tend to not be super militant about their veganism… like the occassional egg from someone’s beloved home-raised chickens is fine.

  Type 2 are ideological vegans. These types believe that “exploiting” “living creatures” in any way is fundamentally immoral, and because it’s a morality issue (e.g. basically religion) the vast majority are very preachy, demanding, and in-your-face about it. They don’t consider type 1 to be “real vegans”.

  Type 2, being the loudest and most abrasive, giving veganism a bad name and ruining it for everyone.

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• kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Right. I see what you mean but I think what you’re asking for is impossible to ascertain

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• KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  reddit

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• HubertManne@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think its the extreme. The idea of reducing meat consumption over eliminating it is not met kindly by many vegans and vegan communities. I also see a lot of down play of the nutrient challenge discussion. Now like anything on the internet the extremes tend to be the most vocal. I have personally known vegans who are pretty happy if people are even reducing meat consumption at all or being lacto/ovo pescatarians or such. Its really bad as sometimes the message is if your not going to go full on vegan than your personally responsible for destroying the planet (much like all responsibility for palastinian suffer is because joe bidens the one doing the genocidin) and you might as well eat meat at every meal. The reaction of this for non vegans is very often F these folks and you know what I think I will go out and have a triple bacon cheese burger right now because they taste great.

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  • iiGxC@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The reason ethical vegans don’t like reductionism is because it’s still fundamentally speciesist. It’s like if someone goes to see a dog fight every week, people get mad at them for supporting animal abuse, so they only go once a month instead. Is it technically better? Yes. Is it still fucked up? Also yes.

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    • HubertManne@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      yeah this is a real good example of what I was talking about.

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• Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are some very militant vegans out here on Lemmy, equating eating meat with rape and murder and generally being annoying without actually contributing to the discussions.

  They are actively harming their cause. So much so, I suspect them of actually being trolls trying to make vegans look bad.

  Or they are just dumb as a brick and don’t understand common discourse. That’s possible too.

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  • iiGxC@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well if you support the rape and murder animals (both common in animal agriculture) don’t be surprised when people get upset

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    • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thank you for proving everyone’s point. This is the .01% I was talking about @CalciumDeficiency

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  • thisfro@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    While eating meat is neither murder nor rape, for meat to be produced, exactly that needs to happen.

    Or how would you call it?

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Animals are born and die, it is the natural circle of life.

      You can blame the meat industry for horrific practices to satiate the market with cheap meat.

      But it is definitely possible to have ethical meat consumption that doesn’t involve murdering or raping the animals.

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• Garbanzo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No one likes being criticized and labeled a monster by an ignorant prick. They way to frequently act like every egg comes from a half zombie chicken that’s kept in a little box and tortured just for fun, or that a cow couldn’t possibly end up in a cheeseburger after living its best life. Factory farming is bad for lots of reasons, but it’s not characteristic of the entire industry.

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  • thisfro@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you want to eat meat or dairy or whatever, sure go ahead. But don’t expect it not coming from factory farms, because it’s likely not.

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    • Garbanzo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      TIL the eggs from my backyard chickens might be from a factory farm

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  • Inui@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can go in my fridge right now and pull fresh farm eggs and meat.

      Local animals that are treated wonderfully until they’re killed, and even then it’s a cleaner and better death than most of us will end up having.

      Whole life spent living in an open field, have a barn to go in when it rains, free food, now that I think of it these animals have a better life than most people I know.

      By god, that’s horrible to realize.

      We really need to focus on bringing down factory farms and cities.

      They both treat their subjects the same fucking way and we just let it happen.

      No smarter than the fucking cows, we all just need to spread out into towns and villages.

      Bring back manufacturing jobs, 1 factory per town could probably support the local economy, all the secondary places like gas stations, restaurants, barbers, grocery stores, bars, etc…

      Plus once we all spread out all the towns would have a little bit of everything from the cities and maybe I could finally get a good Italian joint around here.

      My choices are imo’s and the little pretentious place downtown that college kids parents go to when they are in town.

      I may be a little extra myself though, I’m moving to a town of 400 a few miles away because I think the town of 20,000 people is way too crowded.

      So YMMV I guess

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    • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also my next plan is to move from that town into a house out in the woods where I can’t even see my neighbors.

      I never quite realized how much I hate you all, never mind you guys all move into cities and leave me more room without people.

      But I stand by the village and town idea, we need to move more people into towns.

      Towns are supposed to be our manufacturing backbone, with cities being the shipping and refining hubs.

      We are killing all of the feeders and moving them into cities

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• manucode@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some people feel judged for eating meat if they learn that you’re a vegetarian or vegan. As veganism appears more extreme, it causes a stronger reaction.
  These people don’t like being judged, so they seek to judge you instead. If they can judge you for not eating meat, you can’t judge them for eating it, or so they feel.
  Some vegans being quite obnoxious in their attempts to convert others, doesn’t improve things. Rather, it helps those who dislike vegans to reaffirm their beliefs that all vegans are silently judging them all the time.

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• crapwittyname@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I love vegans. A few of my friends are vegan. There are two things some vegans will say which boil my piss, however. First is that they have a moral high ground because they don’t eat animals. This isn’t a given, it’s a complex and nuanced argument I’d happily partake in if the other party weren’t approaching it with a top-down belief that they’re already in the right. Second is the notion that we should all be vegan to save the planet from climate apocalypse. I don’t want this comment to get too long, but I have multiple problems with this faulty line of reasoning, and it muddies the waters. The only likely effect of it is that less progress is made on stopping global heating. So the upshot is that these people are literally sacrificing the ecosystem they purport to care about in order to bang their drum. Fuck that.

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  • kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Veganism IS morally correct. I eat meat because I like it, but ethically, environmentally, it’s clearly worse than eating meat. It’s ok to admit you do things which aren’t morally the best

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    • Kimano@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fully agree. Honestly there’s a few subjects where this kinda logic comes up and I get annoyed. Like it’s fine to not be perfect, but don’t pretend that you aren’t perfect, or that your choices are somehow ‘good’ when they aren’t, just because you don’t like the realization.

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    • crapwittyname@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think you get to make a black and white, general argument about this. How about this: if a person raises and cares for a chicken, giving it a charmed live it would have otherwise never have, but takes and eats its unfertilised eggs, then that’s not morally wrong.
      It’s just not as obvious as people think, and your first sentence is a naive oversimplification and a great example of the kind of lazy argument I’m talking about. But I don’t want to get into it with my friends since it’s such a touchy subject, and I’ll never get a decent conversation about it online.

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• foggy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s simple: if you don’t shove your ways in other people’s faces, it’s fine. If you do, it’s not.

  I don’t care if you’re vegan, but if you throw a BBQ and man the grill but don’t cook any meat because it’s not what you want, you’re inviting criticism.

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  • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If a vegan invites you to a bbq that they’re cooking and you show up expecting meat, that’s a you thing.

    A book I was reading by Dennis E Taylor changed my version of the golden rule.

    Instead we have the three rules:

    Iron; do unto those weaker than you whatever you want because they can’t stop you.

    Silver; Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

    Golden; Do unto others as they would do unto themselves.

    If you treat everyone as you want to be treated then you are disregarding what they actually want.

    It actually uses this exact example.

    If I treat someone as I want to be treated and offer them a steak while knowing they are veggie, then I have offered them nothing at all.

    I really really recommend the Bobiverse books, they really take a look at what it means to be human and an individual.

    Stupid sounding series name, but absolutely stellar(Lol, yes intended) books!

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  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The thought of private vegan BBQs is funny to me since it seems so much more energy inefficient than the meat they don't eat in that meal.

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    • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I figure a vegan BBQ would be more things like big ass marinated and smoked portabellos and corn steamed in the husk.

      Bbq adds that smoke flavor, unless you’re doing like a gas grill in which case, I guess at least you aren’t heating up the house maybe?

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• kava@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Veganism is more or less a 1st world phenomenon. Most humans, especially in the past, did not have the luxury to choose what they could eat. They ate what they could get and if they got access to meat and animal products they ate it because it has high nutritional and caloric value. Even the vegetarian Indians who don’t eat meat foe religious purposes still have eggs, milk, etc.

  It feels disconnected with the human struggle.

  In addition, it’s sort of meaningless in the grand scheme of things. OK. You don’t eat meat to protect domesticated cows. In reality, those cows would not exist in the first place. So really, you’re advocating to eliminate the species of domesticated cattle.

  In addition, our modern society requires massive amounts of energy which is often generated by fossil fuels. Even if a society uses 100% solar, they’re importing products from countries like China that burn coal.

  So you’re pumping out carbon emissions that will inevitably result in mass extinctions anyway. It seems like a meaningless protest against the inevitable. You say let’s exterminate the cows to save them from suffering on one hand and with the other drive to work talking on your iPhone with the A/C turned up- contributing to the destruction of infinitely more animals.

  The only real way to stop is for everyone to give up every modern luxury and live in a log cabin in the woods. And for the vast majority of the population to die off.

  It just feels like pissing into the void but doing so with moral superiority.

  Having said all that, I empathize with many vegans. But those are some thoughts on why people may look down on vegans.

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  • Teppichbrand@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wow, this text ticked like half of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo

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    • kava@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I looked through out of curiosity and I believe you can say with a bit of a stretch that I hit about 3.

      I’m never going to go vegan. I was raised in a part of South America with a very strong cattle / meat culture. I don’t want to live without nice steaks every week.

      If that means some animal has to live in what’s essentially slavery then it’s the price I’m willing to pay.

      Just like we’re both willing to live with poor 3rd worlders mining lithium and cobalt for us in abysmal conditions so that we can communicate on our fancy electronic devices.

      The system is a pyramid. Is it our fault we were born near the top? Reminds me of the part in the Bible, the rich man comes up to Jesus and asks him what he should do.

      Jesus says “sell all of your belongings, give the money to charity, and follow me”. What’d the rich man do? He cried.

      The point is that people wanna be good and ethical but don’t actually want to give up quality of life. It’s not just veganism, it’s for everything. Capitalist/imperialist exploitation, climate change, etc.

      Try to lead by example, sell your stuff and follow Jesus.

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• RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think a lot of people also have a hard time seeing it as a priority for themselves compared to their personal problems and other ongoings. It’s subjective, sure. But it also takes a ton of personal responsibility and self control/denial to change habits.

  Bottom line, there is a lot of things out there to care about right now, and being vegan is a big change for a lot of people. That, mixed with the extreme (understandable) feelings about mistreatment of animals by vegans, often leads to a feeling of repulsion from investing personal bandwidth into changing the behavior.

  That’s my opinion based on growing up with religiously vegan parents.

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  • Teppichbrand@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Were you raised vegan from birth? Are you still vegan? Asking out of curiosity.

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    • RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      1. yes 2) no

      It was a seventh day Adventist situation.

      That being said, I don’t like animals hurting and I generally opt for vegan/vegetarian options when available since there’s often the option, but of the many worthy fights out there, this is how much emotional currency I’m able to spend. Wish it was easier.

      Unfortunately jerky also makes for a great weight loss option so I get that from time to time. I understand why die hard vegans feel the way they do and I heavily empathize and want to contribute to a more progressive tomorrow, but I’m unwilling to invest my limited energy further than where I am now.

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  • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They also view it as a silver bullet solution to most of the world’s climate problems. I have heard and read so many of them say how if everyone were vegan, pollution would almost disappear overnight and the earth would be saved.

    They of course are the loudest vegans possible and make the rest look bad.

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• potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why not eat meat it doesn’t make sense. No health benefit and if you source your meat right you won’t be contributing to killing animals. At the end of the day I don’t hate them they just don’t make sense. You do you, to each their own

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  • volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    if you source your meat right you won’t be contributing to killing animals

    Are you eating roadkill?

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    • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What he probably means is that due to supply and demand, meat is actually oversupplied and whether you buy it or not it will still be produced

      Or some other economical shit like that idk

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• unreasonabro@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  red meat -> testosterone -> roid rage -> red meat -> testosterone -> roid rage -> red meat -etc

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  • irreticent@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Roid rage leads to eating red meat? Interesting.

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  • tobogganablaze@lemmus.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Master Yoda?

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    • unreasonabro@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hungry, I am!

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• UckyBon@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because veganism is an inherently right wing activity and exploiting animals a left wing activity. (Do I need to put that /s?)

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• problematicPanther@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • mriormro@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You equating veganism with the black American experience is fucking crazy.

    Seriously, the fuck is wrong with you?

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  • nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m vegetarian and I think rap sucks

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• Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I knew a vegan that tried to convince me that when vegans shit, it doesn’t stink. Guess what their shit smelled like… I’ll wait.

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  • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At least you know they’re getting their fiber over there.

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    • Quexotic@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bean night was especially brutal. Good Lord.

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