Submitted 11 months ago by delitomatoes@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world
I’ve never skipped a console gen starting from Super NES, PS1 through 4 plus the Switch Oled 5 years after launch of the OG Switch
It seems like exclusives are rarer now with Sony and Xbox pushing games to PC and Nintendo spending resources on remasters. COVID made it incredibly difficult to own a PS5 and they have some disappointing exclusives as well
What do you think? Any reason to own a PS5 or PS5 pro?
I think this is by far the worst generation for gaming.
Obviously from a technical standpoint, it’s great. Fast loading times, better performance, graphical prowess. But in terms of the quality of the games, it’s dire. I honestly don’t understand why I was in such a rush to buy a PS5, because most of the games I’ve enjoyed have had PS4 versions, so whilst I may have experienced that better performance and graphics etc, I didn’t really need to buy a PS5.
I didn’t need to buy my PS5 either, but my PS4 was a much older device I’d bought cheap from a co-worker and I felt like it was getting slow.
The bonus of having both is that the PS4 is comparatively light and compact, so I can travel with it, and for the two PS5 exclusives I have, there is an option to remote play the PS5 on the PS4, so I’m generally happy with my purchase.
All that notwithstanding, I’ve got an Xbox One X and I’ve seen no real need to upgrade that to a Series X. There are no Xbox exclusives for the Series X/S that have been driving forces.
This generation honestly feels like it lacks direction. The consoles are more expensive and are huge devices, with controllers that now cost more than games. With the original scarcity of the newer consoles, nearly four years into this generation, new releases are still available for the older gen. I feel like we’re reaching a point where console evolution either needs to take an enormous leap, or we just stop seeing console generations altogether.
The size of this current console gen is strange TBH. Consoles have always been smaller and more compact than a full fledged Desktop PC.
I was taking my brand new PS4 on work trips and playing games all the time. No way that’s happening with the size of the PS5.
Consoles aren’t supposed to be portable I understand that BUT it’s definitely a consideration for a subset of customers that are on the go.
I prolly won’t get a PS5 unless I’m burning cash when GTA6 comes out.
I agree, from a AAA perspective, but the Indie scene is still hopping fun on Evercade and SteamDeck.
This is actually why I got a SteamDeck - I’ll dip into the AAA titles occasionally, but the Indie games are what I pre-order now.
My steamdeck makes me feel like I’ve gone 3rd party. It’s affordable and can run about 90 percent of releases. Plus indies and it’s not locked down by anything.
I play my steam deck WAYYYYYY more than my ps5. And quite a bit more than my switch.
The steam deck is my favourite console of this generation by far, and it’s not even 100% a console.
95% of the games I play are on pc. With mods. Faster load screens. Better debugging by the community.
The 5% of games I don’t get to play “new” will inevitably be developed for pc - by the companies themselves or some smart fan.
I figure consoles have another 25 years max before they are totally obsolete tech.
Consoles are basically just pre built PCs with an OS dedicated to games. There will always be a huge audience that wants an easier to use purpose built device for games. The situation might change though with steam os getting better and allowing for PC games to compete with consoles on the same footing.
As a console gamer who loves tinkering with my pc, I can’t agree. As much as I love tinkering on PC, when I want to game I don’t want to setup anything or wonder if my computer can run a game.
As long as PC gaming isn’t giving you that for every game, they’ll be some kind of console market.
And as long as consoles remain cheaper than gaming systems. Sure, you can technically build a gaming computer for less than the cost of a PS5 or Series X, but the consoles will massively out-perform it.
I’ve been on the internet for a long time. Pc fans like yourself have been making this claim forever. And yet the market keels growing.
The reason is PC part prices. If you want an affordable in on modern gaming, you get a PS5 or Xbox. Yeah, you can get used parts, change settings, upsampling, upgrade down the line. But tell that to the person who just wants to buy a machine that lets them play games, hard to convince people to likely go through a bigger hassle, pay more, and have to assemble, set it up, and manage it themselves. I own a gaming PC and an OLED Switch, and if a friend asked me, I‘d tell them to just get a PS5. I would‘ve said something different five years ago.
I still would recommend a PC. Prebuilts do exist and it’s not like I’ll leave them hanging if they had any questions.
The big benefit of a PC is not being locked into a manufacturer's ecosystem.
Steam is very dominant but it's ultimately up to the owner of the device what runs on it.
I suppose that doesn't matter if you just want to play games, but I appreciate being able to disable intro movies and other such settings manually if I have to.
I think this is actually a good thing. In a perfect world exclusives wouldn’t exist and you would buy things based on their own merits. Having to buy something you don’t want because you fear missing out on a game is a horrible experience. In fact I stopped caring because I got so tired of possibly missing out on a game. It has worked out great for me this generation.
I disagree with not owning one.
If you have a 4k 120hz, VRR tv, then you really are missing out when playing games.
And the speed of the PS5 loading, along with Xbox series quick resume features, make gaming feel much more instant like it used to in the snes days.
PC has always been better anyway
PC gaming isn’t that expensive right now anyway, depending on the level of performance that you want. I have a computer presumably without a dedicated graphics processor that runs Fallout 4 well. It will run Fallout 3 at consistent 60 fps at 720p.
Depending on how new the game is and whether or not you turn down the graphics, it’s not that expensive to get a gaming PC.
Your comment remind me how many games just wouldn’t run on my PC or how install would break my OS. Maybe I had no idea what I was doing. But PC gaming back in the days was very tricky. It got better in recent years.
I really mostly play on PC. But PC master race people are very snobish. Console gaming is a very important part of the market for very good reason.
What PC game broke your OS? That’s mad.
It’s easy to be snobbish when you’re right ¯\(ツ)/¯
Eh, depends imo.
Civilization? PC all the way. Ratchet & Clank? God of War? I had a lot of fun playing them on consoles. IDK whether they would have worked as well on PC.
Knights of the Old Republic? I played on PC in spite of the awful UI port from console mode.
I liked the price point of the PS5 vs getting a solid gaming PC.
Returnal is one of my favorite games of the last few years.
Demon’s Souls is a delight for the eyes, as well. And I loved being able to replay such a classic PS3 game, even if Bluepoint modified the art direction from the original in certain ways.
FF16 was incredible, I don’t care if they trimmed down the jrpg elements
Sony seems content sending many of its exclusives over to PC after a few years, which I’m grateful for. So if you’ve got a PC I wouldn’t see a huge need for a PS5.
Good point, but Returnal is on PC and you can play with mouse kB, Demon Souls is a remaster of something I played on PS3 which blew my mind then. And FF16 has mixed reviews. I’m more into FF7 part 2, but the complete dlc edition will eventually reach PC as well.
PS5 is nice if you can’t afford a PC capable of 4K or Ray Tracing for the games that are on every system ($500 for a machine capable of high fidelity gaming is a good value; couldn’t build a PC for that price with the same capabilities atm).
It might be more worthwhile if the exclusives for it weren’t able to be counted on 1 hand. There’s very little to warrant buying a whole system if you’re only interested in the exclusives.
The Ray Tracing argument and 4K are both shit arguments. On the PS5 most games are not 4K native, those that are, are locked to 30 which is an horrible experience. Ray Tracing is the same thing, and not only is PC Ray Tracing much more advanced and better looking, but it also locks you to 30 fps modes on PS5. I doubt the PS5 Pro will change that. If you forget the 30 fps sad modes that have 4k/ray tracing, suddently you can actually build a PC yourself that plays the same games for $600-800 (bit more than a PS5 but ITS A FULL PC, does everything, not games only) that for that price can play 1080-1440p games with ease at 60 fps with graphical fidelity similar to the PS5 if not better since you can better fine tune the graphical settings of all games. Ray Tracing will kill it, just like it kills the PS5.
In my style of life (PC-first) I myself consider a console to be one of those extra expenses that you have only if you have free money to spare. Having games on your couch and big TV is amazing, but if you need a PC anyway for daily life, might aswell waste a bit more and get a great PC for gaming too. If it’s a powerful laptop, it can also be your living room “console” just by plugging some cables anytime. Having a console after having a good PC feels like luxury to me, and very optional.
However if your PC is absolute trash but you see no reason at all to buy a new one, because your life style rarely needs to use it, and you absolutely cannot be bothered with Windows configuration and all its BS, then a console is 100% justified. Consoles are great for people who just don’t care and just want to play a game a few times per month.
I guess some people want a pc and a console like me and some people just want a big gaming pc. Both ideas are fine and no one should be looking badly at the other.
We’ve made our calculations and for me a « shitty PC » and an easy to setup gaming system like the ps5 is what I need.
But it’s perfectly fine for me if someone wants to go the other way. I’m not gonna say they are dumb and their way is shitty because it’s not mine…
The thing that always bothers me about people saying consoles are a good deal as the hardware is cheap compared to a PC is just that it gets more expensive really quickly with software. Particularly if you get a digital only console it only takes a few games until you’re at the price of a PC. I just can’t justify buying a locked down system anymore.
As someone who skipped the last generation… I think this one is way better… Because it’s fully backwards compatible. Since I got a PS5 I’ve gone back and played many games I missed. Meanwhile the only game for the PS5 I play is GT7. And since I’ve loved every GT game, it was worth it for me. I expect that GTA 6 will be the next PS5 game I actually get.
You’re right in that exclusives are becoming less and less but I still think it’s worth getting a PS5.
If you have the wallet for it I think the perfect setup is owning a switch for party games and Nintendo exclusives, a PS5 for Sony exclusives/general couch gaming and as your media machine, and a PC for all the rest.
Ps5 definitely has some great exclusives that imo make the system worth it, not to mention the graphical upgrades and how quick it is compared to a ps4.
-Ghost of Tsushima is a beautiful game, with a great story and gameplay, performs so much better on PS5
-Spiderman 2
-God of war Ragnarok
-Horizon zero dawn
-Gran Turismo
I use my PS5 for most of my games over my gaming PC, just more comfortable for me. Also I still like that you can get lucky if you go to a GameStop and find used physical copies of expansive games at a discount.
I have also always recommended owning an Xbox/PlayStation as a media device as well. Sound and image quality usually surpass your smaller basic steaming devices or built in smart TVs. Compared to my ps5, my ps4 crawls through the menus and loading screens. One of those things that you won’t notice until you upgrade.
Having said all that, I wouldn’t get the “pro” model, unless you have the cash and want to game in like 8k or some bs
Also, much easier to get a ps5 now, most stores just have them in stock now, seen some used ones for sale too
The last console I got was the 360 halo three special addition. Been on PC ever since.
Which as we all know makes me superior.
Keyboard and mouse or do you use a controller?
I can’t believe you even have to ask.
It's worth it just for my PS4 library not punishing me with a ten minute wait every time I die. The loading entirely changes the experience and enables punishing gameplay to be far less frustrating, in the same way Celeste can have harder sequences and be less annoying than something like Mario at the same time.
But the controller features are insane as well.
That was also my experience playing XCOM on a PS3 and then on a PC. It was almost like a whole new game.
An SSD on PC is definitely a step up from anything before this gen.
This gen (at least PS5, which leans hard into the tech with hardware decompression on top of the silly raw speed of the drives) is better than PC, though (for now). The hardware you're buying now can do pretty much everything the PS5 hardware can, but because the software stack to use it isn't the same and universal, there's definitely more loads. It's similar to how PS4 games load fast (especially compared to on the actual PS4), but get blown out of the water by PS5 games. I die in Horizon: Zero Dawn, it's 5-10 seconds. Which is fine. But I die in Forbidden West, which is prettier and has more complexity (mechanically and the environment) and it's maybe a second.
Let’s put it this way. Split screen was a mostly console exclusive feature before some genius decided to kill it off. Locking multiplayer behind a pay wall at some point was also the stupidest idea I’ve ever seen.
Most new titles for consoles are exactly as enjoyable on PC. The experience is almost identical. Companies prefer it this way too.
They can make a nice exclusive and release it for PC 2 years later to reap double the profit.
The above has me thinking that consoles are becoming a niche. I’d just get a steam deck for portable gaming and a play pass for the exclusives not yet available on PC.
As someone with a PS5 since launch… Not really.
I’ve owned every PlayStation generation since the original. I don’t consider myself a Sony stan, but with the exception of the Xbox 360, I’ve felt each generation of the various PSX’s have had a better lineup for my tastes. (Halo is great, though)
This time around, not so much. After three years, I have purchased five titles for my PS5. And, by FAR, the game that gets the most play is my PS4-version of Minecraft, so my kids can play multiplayer.
If you’ve got money to burn, I’d recommend a Steam Deck + Dock and a Bluetooth controller of your choice instead. Most of the same games will run on either platform, with the advantages of PC gaming - mods, forward compatibility, access to the MASSIVE Steam store and library…
Alternately the Switch has had a great lineup of first party titles - as usual. Just pickup a pro controller too, the “joycons” develop drift so fast it’s not even funny. Every single joycon I’ve purchased (six pairs over five years) has developed drift in under a year. I know I can get them repaired, but at this point, I’m over it. Just buy a pro controller and have done with it.
(If anybody is curious, my five PS5 titles are
All but one are available on PC. I bought the Spiderman games before the PC ports arrived. Jedi survivor had a bad port at launch and I really wanted to play it. And Diablo IV I was able to pick up used for cheaper than the PC price. …let’s just say that after hundred plus hours in D3, I’m glad I didn’t pay full price for D4.
I do also pay for PlayStation Plus, where I’ve downloaded and played a few dozen indie titles, all of which are also on PC.)
Benefit is that Jedi actually runs on the console
For what it’s worth I love the ps5. The ps5 controller absolutely reinvigorated my love of gaming. I know some pc games are getting the adaptive triggers but I do not think it compares.
PS5 and a Steam Deck aren’t massively different in price. Building a PC can be relatively the same price during sales depending on your expectation. And then the games on PC are so much more often cheaper, that it saves a lot of money on that front.
Over the last few years, I have bought countless games for Steam at a few bucks or less that were $20+ on PS.
And that’s not even getting into how garbage Sony customer service has been for over a decade when you need them.
I might regret wasting money on a PS5. I play Steam Link or Steam Deck more than anything today, and this is likely my last console Gen. Steam also has controller configuration settings that make playing older games so much nicer. Some games I never thought I’d comfortably play with a controller can be modernized very well with enough tinkering.
The Nintendo Switch is an appallingly slow and clunky piece of handheld. Nintendo hardware is slow and their UI, eshop, and general software designs suck. They are immensely restrictive about game saves, ownership, and transferring things to new systems, and their stuff is needlessly pricey.
I don’t even bother with Xbox. PC for that.
Sometimes, it bothers me that this community has been taken over by the pc gaming bros. I guess it’s reflective of lemmy as a whole. After the burst of new users, you got a lot of diversity systemwide.
But that’s gone again now, and we are just left with the overly technical people who are going to circlejerk about the same things over and over.
Lemmy just didn’t stick, and this is what we have left.
It was the same on Reddit as well.
PC gamers supposedly everywhere, meanwhile you can barely buy a decent GPU for the price of a PS5.
> Have computer > It plays games and goes on the internet > Gets on internet > “Why are there more PC users here”
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But that’s gone again now, and we are just left with the overly technical people who are going to circlejerk about the same things over and over.
I’m one of those ‘overly technical’ people and have zero interest in PC gaming. I prefer my PS5. I don’t want to mess around with computers too much in my spare time when I already do that for 40+ hours a week at work.
I’m really enjoying my Xbox Series X with a Gamepass subscription. I’ve played a much wider variety of games than I normally would have.
You’re right though, the jump between generations is getting less and less noticeable. N64 to Gamecube was like night and day.
My partner and I got a PS5 when they became available and only played a couple of games on it. It mostly collects dust now. I’d attribute a lot to PlayStation’s games becoming more available on PC.
No. Honestly. I own one, but I haven’t been able to play it for reasons relating to my work. That really sucks, but I really don’t feel like I have missed out on much.
My gaming laptop has been more than a viable alternative. I really wish I hadn’t been so impulsive with the purchase of my PS5.
I gotta be honest I am waiting for the inevitable PS5 Pro because nothing is out this gen that interests me and the AAAs are mostly duds at this point, something we saw a lot of last gen. Industry is due a large adjustment.
I got the PS4 Pro having not bothered upgrading from a PS3. At this point there was so many good games to play. I was so impressed I got the PS5 a year after launch. I’m really disappointed as the games have lackluster compared to my time on the PS4.
Honestly the only console that I see is worth having is the Switch. Other than that I play on the PC and now Steam Deck.
PS2 was good, PS3 was skippable. Xbox 360 was good, Xbox One was skippable. Can you guess when I got a PC? Lol. The Switch was the perfect console to pair with the PC in my opinion, but then I got a Deck… So, no, no reason to get any of the new consoles unless you just absolutely need to play the new Spider-Man game right now.
I don’t think I’ve played anything exclusive to the PS5. Not worth buying in my opinion.
I have played stuff exclusive to the switch, I mostly dislike it though. I’m not sure why, I think it’s that they don’t compete because they have us with their catalogue and I dislike their business practices, selling gimmicks and vaulting content. Especially given most of the switch games are port of Wiiu games then it probably is skippable.
I’d agree, should have skipped.
I haven’t seen the point in anything but PC ever since the PS4 came out. You get worse hardware and less games.
Fewer and more expensive games, more ads, pay to play online.
They have ads now? When did that happen?
PS4 and Xbone was the first generation I skipped. I always waited to see what console I was going to get first but then that whole gen just came and went before I knew it. I kind of wanted a switch this gen but I could never justify it to myself.
I don’t have a current console gen (if you discard the Nintendo Switch) but I don’t want to skip it, I want a PS5 but granted I am not sure I’d get it if it wasn’t retro compatible with the huge backlog of PS4 games that I have… Even the Xbox with the game pass is feasible to me (something impossible to think for me, I have always been a Sony and Nintendo user).
I play some Xbox SEX but I bought a PS5 on a whim when I had a (then-)rare chance in 2022, and it’s still unopened in my closet.
I just assumed it’s because I’m busy and wished I had more time. But now that you mention it, not a lot of must-play games. Even Elden Ring on Xbox, I could’ve played on PC just fine.
When the new FF7 remaster episode comes out I’ll probably set it up then.
Steam Deck is the MVP of this Gen, for sure.
I, too, play Xbox SEX
Emulation and working with many different stores (not just steam).
pastel_de_airfryer@lemmy.eco.br 11 months ago
The best thing about this gen so far is the rise of handheld PCs, like the Steam Deck and ROG Ally. I mostly play on the Deck nowadays, while the PS5 gathers dust.
Rognaut@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The OLED Steam Deck has reinvigorated my love for videogames. I’m playing Dave The Diver and DBZ: Kakarot now.
Rooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nice! I have it too! Its so easy to use and to play
MajorHavoc@programming.dev 11 months ago
Yeah, the Steam Deck will be the cover story in this chapter of gaming history.
Rooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yep :D Really like the steamdeck too!
kratoz29@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’d like to think this is due the Chinese handhelds picking up where Nintendo left… (In its own way ofc 🏴☠️) and I’m glad I was a participant of this…
But I think it is mostly because of cloud gaming and Nintendo Switch inspiration.