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How are you going to never forget 9/11 this year? What are you never forgetful for?

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  • echo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never forget that our government allowed the actual perps leave the country and then claimed someone else did the deed so they could invade another country for oil. Also - gave them an excuse to take away our freedoms through security theater.

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    • grranibal@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What freedoms were taken?

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      • echo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        AI response, but it looks pretty solid…

        The post‑9/11 response in the United States did not abolish the Bill of Rights, but it shifted the balance toward government surveillance, secrecy, detention, and border control—often reducing privacy, due-process protections, and freedom from discriminatory scrutiny. Many powers were created or broadened through the USA PATRIOT Act, passed October 26, 2001, and later executive programs and immigration policies. ala

        Privacy and Fourth Amendment protections

        The largest practical loss was a weaker expectation that the government needed individualized, fact-based suspicion before collecting information or monitoring communications.

        • The PATRIOT Act expanded authorities for monitoring telephone and internet communications, accessing stored communications, and obtaining records such as banking and credit information. ala
        • Authorities could seek certain business records—including potentially library, bookstore, financial, medical, and internet-related records—under standards critics argued were below traditional criminal probable cause and with limited meaningful judicial review. aclu
        • “Roving” wiretaps made it easier to follow a person across changing devices or accounts rather than tying surveillance to one named phone line or device. This was designed for counterterrorism but increased the possibility of incidental collection involving people not suspected of wrongdoing.
        • “Sneak-and-peek” search powers allowed delayed notice of some searches: agents could enter, search, and sometimes seize property before telling the target. The principle affected was the normal expectation of prompt notice and the ability to challenge a search quickly. aclu

        A later reform, the USA FREEDOM Act of 2015, prohibited bulk collection under PATRIOT Act Section 215 and added some transparency and court-review mechanisms—an acknowledgment that earlier authorities had permitted collection at an overly broad scale. judiciary.house

        Due process and detention

        For noncitizens especially, post‑9/11 policy weakened the practical protection against being detained without prompt charges and a meaningful opportunity to contest the detention.

        • The government asserted broad authority to detain certain people designated “enemy combatants,” including arguments for detention without ordinary criminal charges or a conventional criminal trial.
        • Immigration-related changes and counterterrorism policy enabled lengthy detention of noncitizens suspected of terrorism-related activity, sometimes under conditions of secrecy or with restricted access to the normal procedural safeguards available in standard criminal cases. aclu
        • At Guantánamo Bay and in related military-detention practices, detainees faced years of litigation over whether they could challenge their confinement through habeas corpus—the fundamental right to ask a court to review whether the government is lawfully holding someone.

        The important distinction is that these restrictions were most severe for foreign nationals and people accused of links to terrorism. But legal precedents and government claims of executive power also raised broader concerns about how much judicial oversight could be bypassed in a declared national-security emergency.

        Equality, religious freedom, and movement

        Muslim, Arab, South Asian, Sikh, and immigrant communities bore a disproportionate share of the social and governmental consequences.

        • Federal investigations, immigration enforcement, watchlisting, and intelligence collection focused heavily on people from Muslim-majority countries or those perceived to be Muslim.
        • The result was a reduced practical freedom to travel without extra scrutiny, live free of government suspicion based on identity or association, and participate in civic life without fear that ordinary religious, charitable, or political activity could be interpreted as a security concern.
        • Programs that tracked foreign students and expanded scrutiny of immigrants created additional monitoring and administrative burdens on foreign nationals. ebsco
        • Airport security also became much more intrusive for everyone: searches, identity checks, limits on what could be carried aboard, no-fly and watch lists, and more extensive screening became normal conditions of air travel. These measures did not remove the right to travel outright, but made its exercise more conditional and surveilled.

        Speech, association, and secrecy

        Some freedoms were affected indirectly, through the risk or perception of surveillance rather than a direct legal ban.

        • When people believe their calls, emails, web activity, library use, donations, or organizational affiliations can be monitored, they may avoid controversial reading, political advocacy, religious association, or communication. This is often called a chilling effect on speech and association.
        • National Security Letters could compel businesses to provide certain customer information while imposing nondisclosure (“gag”) requirements. Later reform allowed challenges and required review of whether such orders remained necessary. judiciary.house
        • Secrecy around surveillance programs, watch-listing decisions, intelligence-court proceedings, and detention made it harder for affected people and the public to know what government agencies were doing, identify errors, or contest them.
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  • eyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I never forget that the Epstein files haven’t been released…

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    • AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is that the thing costarring trump?

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      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Trump is mentioned in the Epstein Files, more times than Jesus is mentioned in the Bible.

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      • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, it turns out that Trump was a bigger trafficker than even Epstein. He is the star.

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      • eyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, although moss*d is really the main character

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  • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I instead remember the Chilean coup of 9/11 1973, where Augusto Pinochet overthrew the democratically elected socialist government of Chile with the support of the USA.

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  • beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I will never forget that the CIA trained Bin Laden.

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  • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How could we forgot 11.9. when the USA still use it as a pretense to invade foreign countries and increase surveillance on their own people?

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What’s the difference between a cow and 9/11? You can’t milk a cow for 25 years.

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  • B1tch_Pudding@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • lyralycan@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I never forget that the US gov created Al Qaeda by indiscriminately blowing up people in the Middle-East, and some of the murdered were friends & family of the three founders of the group. Cause and effect. If my friends and family get bombed for existing I’d also become a vengeful terrorist who spends a decade growing more powerful by connecting with other victims of state murder. I just like to think I’d be able to retaliate on the ones responsible and there to be no innocent casualties.

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    • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      … The US created Al Qaeda by giving them weapons to fight the Russians for them, then abandoning them when they won at massive personal cost… They literally armed and funded Osama Bin Laden through Pakistan… That part isn’t even a conspiracy theory.

      en.wikipedia.org/…/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_…

      The only “alleged” part is that the CIA didn’t DIRECTLY fund bin Laden… Only through Pakistan’s ISI (CIA equivalent)…

      Like I get the indirect creating your enemies through causing suffering and destruction in other nations. Like that’s valid for ISIS for example. But Al Qaida literally wouldn’t have existed without American money.

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  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hot take incoming.

    Turns out, Bin Laden was right, we should have not become so deeply invested in the middle east like we have and should have left it. Militarily and essentially colonialism of territory for oil.

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    • foggianism@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The oil is just a nice bonus. What really drives the US wars are the weapons and ammunition sales

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      • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What really drives the US wars is pure evil.

        FTFY.

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      • Garbagio@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ding ding ding! People say the US wastes money on defense; it doesn’t. The cost is the point. The MIC is just a fat fuckin straw for sucking up money into publicly traded companies, I.e. the stock market.

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      • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What better way to fight your enemies than selling them all armaments and watch them go at each other’s throat.

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not only was he right, but Bin Laden won, even if it killed him. The attack on 9/11 pulled out all the stops on ignorance, xenophobia, evangelicals in politics, the surveillance State, right-wing nationalism, and so much more. We wasted trillions of dollars on wars.

      The attack was a slow burn that took 20 years to collapse an “empire.”

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      • mirshafie@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, if the objective was to bait the USA into wars that would consume it then he definitely won.

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  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I never forget how they also could have hit trump tower.

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    • WanderWisley@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How could I forget…it marked the final straw to never ever visit this country, despite its tons of things I’d die to see (grand canyon for one).

    It was and is an awesome “excuse” to tighten “security” and to cut freedom and rights for its people

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  • FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Patriot” act is still around

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks, Obama.

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  • lemmy_acct_id_8647@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Danarchy@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Knock knock who’s there 9/11 9/11 who

    You said you’d never forget

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll never forget the lies about WMD to justify killing 1 million Iraqis in an imperialist conquest of oil.

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  • NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I was thinking about never forgetting the Israeli way and doing another one. Perhaps on my weak impoverished neighbour.

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  • Slovene85@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You mean 11.9.

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    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It doesn’t have the same ring, you know? And 911 being the emergency number here in the US, it was a real double whammy for us way back then.

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    • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At least when they tore-up London they chose the seventh day of July to avoid this type of confusion.

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  • guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll never forget how my country let this happen, just so the Nazis I’m sorry Republicans can pass mass surveillance on we the people

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That it was the nth time US meddled in near-east politics and got burned?

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    • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They did. They learned how to do and hide it better.

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  • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I never believed in any of the conspiracy theories around this.

    But now with everything out about how much Israel controls everything in the U.S.

    It’s made me reconsider this event as an IDF false flag operation.

    Im not saying I believe it fully. I’m saying I’m now considering it a possibility.

    As a regular citizen, I just don’t think I have access to, nor an expert understanding of the evidence to be able to make any solid conclusions.

    I’m just saying it does follow their pattern of behavior. And it sure did benefit them immensely.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are plenty of conspiracy theories. There is also is a undeniable conspiracy. This is that the US used the events of 9/11 to expand a war on people who had nothing to do with it and commit to murdering and torturing innocents.

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  • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Friends and I always send memes in the group chat. They said never forget. They didn’t tell us how.

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      • RattlerSix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        youtu.be/VSZQo0J7f8U?is=4pHqa5V05Lqo37WG

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  • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The lessons learned during the second world war, I will never forget. Unfortunately, everybody else has seemed to have forgotten.

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    • foodandart@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is precisely why we are here at this point in time.

      Watched it unfold over the past 15 years as my grandparents generation passed into memory - their actual experiences of WWII and the warnings for our country - and it’s now only in our memories of them and their stories… and it’s scary as fuck to see the kids - like at that kickboxing fight in Orlando that had 20-something idiots unfurling a Nazi flag.

      Stupid fucks.

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      • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yup, for me a tad closer. My dad and his 2 brothers fought in WWII as pilots. My mother was conscripted to work for the town mayor in her hometown in England. Who would of thought that a Canadian from up north and a lady from England would meet up. I would not be here without them. Heard all the tales straight from the horses mouth so to speak for decades. What is going on now is beyond short circuiting for me.

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  • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As a more serious comment if you’ve never sat down and watched a 9/11 in real time dashboard video, I highly recommend it, very fascinating.

    youtu.be/zx8_Pumdkpg

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  • dismay3915@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I was ankle deel in blood and bones looking for my brother goddammit!

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    • Gates9@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “…he was in northern Canada.”

      youtu.be/fKSRnxNpqag?is=xqC3fWBkVRaYOGgw

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  • toxicbubble@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    there are people throwing raves on 9-11 in my city, you can tell you’re getting old when the most tragic event of your childhood is now a party day

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  • Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never forghetti

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Never forgetti mom’s spaghetti

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  • Up_dog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think we should never be forgetful for those art students that flew in from ———- to help put exhibits in a certain or certain floors of the tower

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  • cloudshouter@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I remember the realization that the terrorists won. Our political leaders gave us fear and security theater. We started two wars of waste that make more enemies than we killed. We handed out most reactionary politicians and institutions the Patriot Act and other licenses to abuse and subvert democracy. I tell conspiracy theorists that the government didn’t do 9/11, they just exploited the hell out of it.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I will never forget how Osama bin Laden went on to host a game show

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