More like guac is American hummus, considering chickpeas are one of the oldest domesticated plants we know of.
Hmmm
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Stern@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Guacamole isn’t eaten on its own or with some form of gravy. Mashed potatoes are. One can argue about open face sandwich vs. burrito and the addition of each to their respective cuisine but that’s a hard sell.
FWIW, Avocado toast doesn’t factor into the discussion any more then a baked potato woukd imo.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Mashed potato toast never really caught on anywhere.
Probably that’s a lot of carbs. Avocado has oils and fats and it’s a fruit.
Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Seeing that both vegetables were part of the Columbian exchange and therefore have no pre 1500 European roots it’s improper to call any potato preparation ‘Irish’.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
What and marinara sauce isn’t Italian? Mapo tofu isn’t chinese? Modern sushi isn’t japananese?
Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Italian cuisine is particularly enjoyable for this. The carbonara sauce was an improvisation by an American army cook, and one of the first recipes had it made with cream.
And part off modern sushi is Norwegian, as they had an excess of salmon they kind of imposed the idea to use it on sushi, which worked.
Chilly peppers in Indian cuisine where introduced by the Portugese
Cuisine is one of the most fusion sensitive bits of culture out there and most claims of originality are bogus in a way.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This reminds me of working in a brewery/restaurant kitchen in the middle of a rich Midwestern suburb (read: white as white gets), we wanted to do teriyaki wings. Instead of letting us make our own sauce, our idiot manager brought in a premade sauce made by a Chinese company in “the Korean style”. So it was a Chinese-made Korean-style Japanese-American sauce. Fucking what? Especially silly considering real teriyaki sauce is just four very easily attainable ingredients in more-or-less equal parts.
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
So nothing can be described as Irish if it didn’t exist since the beginning of the earth on the land we could later call Ireland? Or where is the cutoff, the year 1400?
Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m just disputing the started fact that mashed pro is an Irish invention. There’s plenty of Irish things after that date, but that’s because people didn’t really think about ‘national’ things untill the late 19th century, take the Scottish tartan, fi (which was popularized by an English textile merchant btw).
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
With that logic any Mexican dish that contains cumin, cilantro, wheat or any dairy product including cheese is not real Mexican.
Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You say that like it’s a bad thing. Cuisine is particularly evolutionary.
The question ‘what is Mexican’ is particularly dark in this context as the conquistadors managed to wipe it so much of it’s people and culture.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
You’re talking half a millennium ago…
bryophile@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I only agree with this line of reasoning because you would have to conclude that the USA has no culture besides Native American culture and immigrant culture.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
You think cultures can’t change? Ireland was colonized by Britain. They forced them to grow potatoes. You don’t think that influenced Irish culture?
Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I do think cultures can change. I only don’t think foodstuffs become a national thing that way. Like I said as a response in this thread that certainly the original population and culture of the Aztecs was almost completely destroyed.
The idea that the portal became Irish because it was forced upon them by the English is a bit ironic, with a whiff of Stockholm syndrome, at least for me.
The appropriation of certain dishes as national is, in itself, a rather novel idea.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Do people eat whole bowls of guacamole? Just like spoonfuls into your mouth?
As one of the 7 people who dislikes avocados - that seems horrifying.
trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean, if you consider tortilla chips to be edible guacamole spoons, then yes.
FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Guacamole is so much nicer than avocado. I probably eat more guac than mashed potatoes, usually on toast or in wraps though. As the Aztec gods intended.
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, we used to but we stopped during the great avocado famine that lasted from 1845 until 1953. About 1 million of us died.
JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Both avocados and quacamole are wildly overrated, I’m in San Diego and it’s every where.
I’d disappear avocados for the sake of potatoes.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pizza is just an open-face sandwich. Like a chili melt. Same thing.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Meh, it’s different operations. The bread is already baked before you make the sandwich, pizza dough is raaaaaw.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pizza purists are so funny. Like oh, your culture/city/country has a monopoly on putting random stuff on top of flat bread while it’s baking? Get real. Probably the first load of flatbread ever made, the person eating it was like “This would be better with some sauce and stuff on top while it’s baked.”
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No pizza in either photo.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What do you mean? It’s dough with stuff on top.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Pizza is toast
FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Pizza is a savoury cake.
gdog05@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s times like this that I worry about legalizing weed
gmtom@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Mushy peas are just British guacamole
Ellvix@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The guac they deserve
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I mean, im of the ‘poptart is basically a dessert calzone’ persuasion, so… yeah, sure why not.
There are differences, but basically yes.
MyRobotShitsBolts@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There was a can of refried beans that proudly stated “Mexican mashed potatoes”
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
No because avocado is a berry but potato is a tuber
m3t00@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
mashed avocados
FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Hard to say if it’s Irish. It could be. But:
First printed recipe: English author Hannah Glasse published the earliest known recipe for modern mashed potatoes in her 1747 book, The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy.
The recipe: She instructed cooks to boil and peel potatoes, then vigorously mash them with butter, salt, and milk.
Obviously Britain and Ireland are very close to one another, and someone being English doesn’t mean they don’t have Irish parentage or tutelage or friends. (Even in those days.)
Britain + Ireland are also called “The British isles,” so unfortunately for the Irish, even if we disambiguate to include the possibility of it being an Irish creation, it will still be called a “British” dish - which merely makes it look like it’s English again, to most people.
marzhall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Potatoes in Ireland being a result of the Colombian exchange, this is one of those scenarios where you might be able to find an equivalent South American dish from before Ireland had potatoes(wild to think about, right?). The Inca grew potatoes with corn and eggplant for their farming, and it’s hard to imagine they ate them raw.
Some googling shows things that all appear to be fusion cuisine, but then any use of tomatoes or potatoes in Europe is fusion cuisine anyway :P
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It really doesn’t get much better than that. You can substitute milk for cream, and also force it through a sieve to get extra creamy mash, and add a bit of garlic, but well done mash is so simple and good
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
In the soup, salad, or sandwich alignment it would be soup and so would guacamole.
motruck@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Bonus points for having O’Brian in there.
crakila@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Melt a big knob of butter in the middle of all of them and inject it my veins. drool
nullspace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Instead of garnishing with pico you garnish with bacon bits.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, since Potatoes are Peruvian, not Irish
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
As long as they are both chunky, I’ll allow it.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nah, you don’t eat mashed taters with thin crisps (corn or otherwise). You could, but typically people don’t.
MrNesser@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a dipper if you use gravey and sausages
jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s a real banger.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And you don’t boil avocados for guac
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You know, some citrus to a baked tater would be awesome probably. Would need to be lime, I think.