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I will gladly downvote anyone. People be saying some dumb shit.
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Submitted 2 weeks ago by Zephyr@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Is it dumb or is it that you think it’s dumb. To be or not to be. You see I disagree with a lot of people but I see where they are coming from so I don’t think they are literally idiotic. I’m more apprehensive about living in a system where I only ever see what is agreement with whatever I think aka an echo chamber.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I didn’t say I downvote based on disagreeing. I said I downvote based on if it’s dumb. There are plenty of people that I disagree with that have salient points. The morons are the ones that get the downvote.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I will absolutely downvote some people I disagree with if I think they are making a bad faith argument or I think their view is bad. If the masses decide my opinion is wrong then it will work out in the end. If not, then it must have been a bad comment.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People are waaaay to judgy and rarely think outside of their bubble, country, ‘layer’ or can relate that there are differences beyond their knowledge. That’s why I only downvote when I am mostly sure to understand all this context, not just because I don’t like or agree with a statement 🤷
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re supposed to downvote. If something is off topic especially, but also if something is toxic or against the rules.
If there was a community where the joke was “you can only reply PANTS” and then someone started to comment about the downfall of capitalism, you downvote that shit into oblivion even if you agree with it out of context.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Off topic tends to be used very subjectively, particularly if someone just dislikes the comment. Particularly when someone takes one line from a comment that’s on topic to say the comment is off topic. Not always of course but it’s rare so far as I’ve seen.
Now as for breaking rules or just being verbally violent, most definitely.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Commenting “as a man” in a women’s only community will get you downvoted even if it’s on topic.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think off topic is very subjective that often, and if you’re not sure just don’t vote. I gave an example of off topic behavior and, you know, it was too help you out. So you wouldn’t feel so bad about down voting. And then you tried to bicker with me about the details.
Zier@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Votes don't matter.
Upvotes can't pay your rent or buy food.
Downvotes won't put you in prison.Vote however you want, that's why it's here.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It does depend how we are defining what matters. By your definition very few things matter. As a location for discourse it matters in how people related to said discourse in that votes can help push or diminish narratives and craft a location that is or is not an echo chamber. We’re all aware what people see shapes their views and their views shape their actions and their actions shape the world. So I’m not sure I agree that the culture of a platform, the content that is pushed doesn’t matter.
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It depends on how an individual consumes Lemmy. I don’t see votes and my client neither buries nor highlights comments based on votet. I only browse by new or active.
This means that votes have little to no impact to what I consume or interact with.
As I’ve said elsewhere. I don’t care if you downvote, I’ve seen what you upvote.
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t downvote for agree or dislike. People are allowed to have differing opinions. I downvote for hate, or bad faith. Very little else.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Similar, if someone is just being mean to be mean.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I downvote comments that clearly break the rules of the community they’re posted in.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
This. The original intent of the downvote on reddit was for things that actively take away from the conversations; not merely because you disagree with it.
Equally, the upvote was for things that contribute, not just for things you like.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Very fair.
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yes its stupid because nobody uses them correctly. Its turned into a disagree button instead of “this doesnt belong here or add to the conversation” button.
fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I just down vote when I see low quality content or irrelevant or poorly supported arguments. I have upvoted takes I disagree with and then commented about why I disagree. It’s not supposed to be a disagree button, it’s suppressed to be a “move this down in the feed” button.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Nope!
I don’t even care about the accidental ones that happen from scrolling while tired.
Worst that happens is the hot feed gets negligibly shifted until the next person comes along.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I try to give everyone uppies unless they’re being a bigger jerk than me.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I think there’s more users like you than me. I appreciate the candid answer.
wraekscadu@vargar.org 2 weeks ago
I’m not sure if ur profile picture is real, but in case it is: You, sir have a magnificent beard!
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Alas, it isn’t me.
However, I picked it partly because the guy looks enough like me to be a close relative, and my beard is very similar :)
Dookieman12@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Never accept criticism from someone you wouldn’t take advice from.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Social feedback is important. It’s not supposed to feel good, but it IS vital to building a healthy community. You need a sense of social awareness to evaluate your own ideas, even if the responder can’t clearly articulate their opposition.at the very least it says your presentation needs work.
Dialog also isn’t free. It’s easy to demand someone defend their position for you, but real, thoughtful articulation takes time and effort. Many will offer it freely, but not everyone can afford to entertain you and not every argument is worth the effort. Their rejection of your premises stil matter.
A world with only likes should terrify you. It’s the world of the executive surround by yes-men driving his company and the world to ruin. Human life requires friction. Every dislike is your ideas coming into contact with reality.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Being downvoted yourself is not reason to start downvoting.
Now when people post links to videos without a text synopsis, that’s a reason to downvote.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What if they’re trying not to ruin spoilers?
Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Use the spoiler tags, that’s what they’re for.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m indifferent, really. You can make the most benign post possible and someone will downvote you for it, so you’ll get used to it.
And just to prove my point, I downvoted your question for absolutely no reason. Idc how you vote in return, if at all.
Have a nice day ❤️
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I upvoted you actually. Like anywhere online I’ve seen very negative people who get joy from others feeling bad or thinking they have made them feel bad. I always want to have a candid discussion with someone like that because it’s very curious to me.
So far the people I’ve been able to accomplish that with are very discontent in their life or something specific in their human experience but it’s a very small sample size. Most keep with shallow discussion more so like they’re playing a character.
Arts251@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I downvote comments if they are factually wrong, if they are mean or derogatory or if they are needlessly critical of another commenter. I personally don’t care if I get downvoted or even upvoted, I’m just here to speak my mind, hear others opinions, rant or vent or sometimes engage in a pleasant text conversation with a stranger.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ditto.
AskewLord@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
why the hell do you care about any of this?
maybe the better strategy is to not care about what internet strangers think about you?
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Views, engagement and votes determine what people see and what they don’t as well as how they feel about it. What people see shapes their views. Their views shape their behavior. Their behavior shapes the world. It’s worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s worthwhile for an online community to not become just another pointless echo chamber.
It’s worthwhile for men to respect when women want to gather on our own and talk about things without men’s voices.
AskewLord@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
according to who? you?
the vast majority of people disagree with you, and their votes count just as much as yours. they prefer the echo chamber.
Wren@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Mad you got told off in womensstuff?
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So mad that he DMed me to make sure that our mods apply the rules equally. He was very concerned about our community turning into an echo chamber.
Wren@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Oh damn. “Echo chamber” is usually the last cry of someone without an argument.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Mad?. Not at all. I actually apologized to who I could. I would have added an apology on the thread but I can’t.
Wren@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
You sure as hell seemed concerned about us for someone who isn’t upset.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Here, it is usually because I didn’t say things in the right way some leftists want.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah the political aspect of Lemmy is quite ubiquitous and specific. I’m neither left or right in that I would prefer a science based political system that optimizes HDI, GDPPP, and environmental impact. Any dissent or questioning either way is typically met with downvotes in the respective areas where people have a political leaning right or left.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
howrar@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I feel the same. The only times I (intentionally) down vote are for things like spam or people throwing insults around with zero substance. It’s basically a button for increasing/decreasing visibility, and you get much more interesting discussions when it involves views you disagree with.
snooggums@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Nope, the points are made up and it lets me vent with the smallest possible impact. My voting ratio is highly positive despite not having any hesitation slapping that dislike button, because most things are worthy of up voting.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yep. Same. It’s not that big of a deal, and it doesn’t even matter that you can go see what I downvoted.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Up and down votes are intended as indicators of quality that people abuse as markers of taste. If you downvote because the post/comment is unhelpful/useless/etc. that’s just voting as intended. If you are about to downvote because something is hateful, just report it to the mods instead. If you use certain clients, like Voyager, you will also see cumulative totals for your personal votes on users, which can be a great way to spot people you shouldn’t interact with, and probably just block. If you can’t tell the difference between people who are willfully nasty vs ignorant, maybe focus on learning to tell that rather than participate too much.
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I do once in awhile but honestly I hate public voting. I would not mind a private ranking system for the feed that worked the way trustcafe works. I mean peoples public voting won’t effect the way I peruse the feed but yeah some things are bad enough that I feel I should hit the down arrow. I upvote practically everything though as it marks it as read for my feed view.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not really. I’m (somewhat) apprehensive to downvoting because all votes are public. So, I’m not gonna downvote someone who disagrees with me. I will (sometimes) downvote someone who is being an arsehole. If they keep doing it, I’ll block 'em.
Also, I don’t really get into comment chains to start with. If I say something and someone has something constructive to say, we might have a conversation. That’s fine. But if it’s negative, chances are I just won’t reply to it in the first place. If I feel like maybe I’ve been misunderstood, I might clarify, but I’ll only do that once. If the conversation isn’t going anywhere, I walk. It’s that simple. If you want a punching bag, I think these days you can get ChatGPT to do that.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Does it matter if people know publicly that you downvoted something? I feel like if I’m going to downvote I don’t need to hide it, but then maybe I’ve just got a confrontational streak sometimes.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’m not sure, actually
litchralee@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I generally shy away from downvoting even things I dislike. I don’t want to fall into an echo chamber where all I see are only the things I agree with.
This is not how Lemmy works. If you don’t ever up or down vote anything, and if you have your client hide the up/down votes on all comments and posts, you will still see the same content as someone who prodigiously votes. Votes here are, in the truest possible way, optional.
But for people who do utilize up/down votes, they are a signal. Sometimes they’re a weak signal, sometimes a bad signal, and yet other times might be a strong signal from the community. How to evaluate the signal is a matter of continued debate.
zeppo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Retaliatory downvoting is a lame thing to get caught up in. A certain type of reddit person will downvote every reply you make to them. Most often I think I’ll be ‘the bigger person’ and ignore their pettiness.
GatesMcBalmer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I get into these comment chains from time to time where really no matter what I post whoever I’m talking to downvotes…
I suggest avoiding such comment chains. If the person you are talking to is downvoting everything you write then you can be certain you are wasting your time.
disregardable@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Downvote if the person deserves it. You don’t know that the person is the one downvoting you versus someone else. Although if you’re in a conversation with someone who you feel deserves to be downvoted, you’re probably better off blocking and moving on.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not always but in some contexts it’s kinda blatant aka you’re deep into an unpopular thread and like ten comments feel back and forth and get downvoted literally at the same moment they respond. It’s unlikely anyone is clicking through who dislikes one side but doesn’t favor the other aka no upvotes for the other.
As for deserving. I usually don’t feel like someone is deserving, even if we are in disagreement on something. I appreciate views that are different from my own. It seems that’s not a common behavior. That is people will downvote just because they disagree.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve been here 2-3 years and have up or down voted like 5 times. I just don’t care about it and don’t look at the numbers. Seems to work
jordanpwnsyou@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Oh brother, this guy stinks
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I don’t think so, but to each their own.
Crescent@fedinsfw.app 2 weeks ago
I go and upvote things I want to see more of.
Subjectively, I do not see a big diversity of opinions on Lemmy. Everyone seems to love Linux and communism and hate Windows and western politics.
Haven’t been here for that long though so maybe I’m missing out on some communities.
Wren@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I see a number of different opinions and cultures, which is why I chose my instance. .Today doesn’t block, so I can pick what I want to see and browse by subscribed.
Scrolling the All feed on .world tends to be more of an echo chamber than selecting about a hundred individual communities to check regularly.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There are a lot of communities with more diversity once you dig around long enough. It’s worth it to go through the communities page and sort in different ways to see if anything catches your interest!
I am also really appreciative of users who link relevant communities in the comments!! I’ve found several comms that way.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah that’s a pretty accurate synopsis of the major trends. Different subs break away from this. If you’re coming from reddit then it’s was generally left leaning but was just bigger so politics was easy to escape.
ExtraMedicated@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t downvote (at least not intentionally - the buttons are right on the edge of my phone’s screen, and I have fat fingers). I don’t really see a benefit from it. I often wonder though about all the non-offensive, opinion related posts with one or two downvotes. Like are people really bothered by someone enjoying different things?
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
In my experience here people are very active with voting both up and down and indeed any divergence from the narrative even if it’s just questioning is met with downvotes.
JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Some people abuse the voting system, an example being users that get upset they lost an Internet fight and go downvote every comment and post on someone’s account.Also yes, there are some people out there that are miserable seeing others happy.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Try to live your life without worrying about votes.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its more so a curiosity. I’ve noticed others behaviors and was wondering who lives for the downvote vs who is rarely smashing the down vote. This platform kinda fundamentally runs on down and upvotes.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This platform does not run on upvotes and downvotes, that’s Reddit. There is no algorithm here that is influenced by votes. In fact, there are some instances that don’t show or allow downvotes at all.
charokol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
34 upvotes so far! Nice work!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah. I want to make sure I’m being kind enough to not deserve downvotes. It’s a lifelong battle.