THIS is how CEO’s make thier money, it’s how the rich 1% stay rich - by exploiting people who let them exploit them based on outmoded tropes from the rich people of the last generation, who exploited people who had very little choice when it came to ‘money’ Incarcerate the rich who own companies that don’t pay living wages
America continues to fall behind the rest of the world
Submitted 2 months ago by VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to workreform@lemmy.world
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decapitae@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not socialism
Bro, it’s socialism. Some of it is national socialism, so maybe don’t get too enthusiastic about how the Brits segregate out their health care services or the Germans treat unemployed immigrants or the French handle non-native speakers trying to form a union. But all of this has socialist economic organizing at its foundation.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 months ago
It’s not actually though. you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism, there are even variants of socialism like market socialism with none of these.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism
Nordic states reorganized themselves from feudal agrarian military economies into industrial social welfare economies over the course of the late 19th and 20th centuries. Their party politics and bureaucratic reorganization was explicitly informed by socialist theories and economic models devised during that time.
Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.
Strong unions, state owned industries, and Democratic governance gives working Scandenavians direct say over and profit from their local economies
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I find myself correcting this misconception constantly. It is alarming how many people either don’t know or don’t understand what socialism actually means.
People routinely label any government subsidy, welfare program, or public service that benefits the population as “socialism.” That is not what the term means. In political and economic theory, socialism is fundamentally about social or public ownership of the means of production, not simply the existence of government programs.
I suspect the persistence of this misconception is a combination of confirmation bias, the Dunning–Kruger effect, and simple stubbornness.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet.
The systems exist on a spectrum and implementations vary heavily by region, culture, and material capacity.
You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.
I’m describing nationalized health care, which is socialist in character. I’m not advocating for any system in these posts, merely warning that nationalist tenancy can lead to segregated provision of service in an economy model.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
They dum.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
scotus also reversed the ruling that potus can now fire at well on the 12 agencies, like cpbd, sec,etc.
you can have both private a full public option. funny enough thats the military healthcare plan right now, but its not available to any of the civilians.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They’ve also been attacking tricare and the va like it’s the nhs. (Aggressively, but without openly saying that’s what they’re doing)
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
im guessing service members have outlived thier usefulness as political pawns and cannon fodder.
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Oh come on. The US leads the world, by a healthy margin, in number of billionaires.
tortina_original@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not anymore. China has more billionaires than US. 1,100 vs 1,000 or so.
atro_city@fedia.io 2 months ago
But the US has the world's first trilionaire, so suck it!
just kidding of course. that's a terrible achievement
chmod755@feddit.org 2 months ago
27 countries? Which ones?
lobut@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It’s kinda why these types of posts should probably be discouraged. Posts like these should have sources.
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
To be fair they did say they had the lowest literacy rates
chmod755@feddit.org 2 months ago
My country has all of that (healthcare/education are basically free). Workers rights are protected and stuff but taxes here are really high compared to the U.S.
jdr@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Good question! The report is here but there’s no such list that I could find.
chloroken@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
The phrase “true and fully capitalist” is a sentence incongruent with historical materialism. Mode of production is not about purity of ideology. It is about how things are made.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Seems like a lot of them countries are trying to strip that stuff away though.
atro_city@fedia.io 2 months ago
Guess who's influencing them to do so.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Those dastardly Australians of course.
outerspace@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
The answer to this is “Every other country is trash. Except us.”
outerspace@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I’m not saying I think that, I’m saying this is the first thought my amercan friends who never left the states will have.
liking625@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The american dream with the 80’s victory music in the background, I can hear it
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s because the US isn’t a capitalist country. It’s an Oligarchy.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 months ago
we’re being dragged down by a mental midget monolith
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
The problem is the insistence on trying to force the word “socialism” onto people. The meaning of the word is completely nebulous, but to many people it’s synonymous with the USSR. So by saying to want “socialism” you’re automatically fighting an uphill battle by explaining distinction between what you mean by the word as opposed to other people’s meaning of the word.
This is part of a larger problem of leftists generally being incapable of communicating with working class. If leftists abandoned the terminology and just said “we want universal healthcare, higher minimum wage, better working conditions” there would be a lot of support by the working class.
But the problem there is that you’d be largely indistinguishable from liberals who you’re told to hate by monetized “influencers” on corporate social media. Corporate social media has emphasized the importance of identity over being effective, so leftists will continue to cling to the word “socialist” even while it hinders effectiveness on achieving goals that most people want. Then probably be angry at the working class for being “stupid” because they don’t understand that you want the same things as them and it’s their fault that they associate the word “socialism” with a country that had that word in it’s name.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
explaining distinction between what you mean by the word as opposed to other people’s meaning of the word
I think this is the cause of the majority of disagreements. Like, in everything.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Nah it’s just internet troll culture. Say things in a controversial way to get a response and argue over semantics and accomplish nothing.
The people that actually want to make a difference actively make an effort to get people to agree with them, which is the opposite of troll culture.
CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lol. Who’s the shithole country now?
superdrm@lemmy.world 2 months ago
and guess what folks, the countries that have things like Universal health care, the citizen rights is taken away big time. Many of these countries that are supposed ahead of America, eating food is not a right, having children is not a right, etc.
CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No one is this b dumb. Get your ragebait out of here haha.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You’re an idiot
Don’t breed
motruck@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
How many of these were the other way around? As in DIF all of these flip or has the US always been behind? I’m guessing the latter.
P1k1e@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Man this tripped me up at first, usually the only people who use the term “common sense” are dipshit old men who think all the fake BS they spew is the basis for all human knowledge
mikkowus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
A lot of that “free healthcare” is like getting a bandaid and a bed to sleep on. Real surgeries and such cost money. People with money in places with “free healthcare” usually buy their own health insurance on top of the free stuff. In the USA, the basics are free if you can do paperwork. And if you can’t do paperwork, you just end up with a bad credit score.
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I once had to pay $250 for just a 15-minute conversation with a doctor. With insurance.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I had to pay $400 after waiting 4-5 months in serious pain (uncommon injury) for an appointment with a specialist and when I got there I was with him for maybe 3 minutes as he explained I was sent to the wrong place and gave me the number for the place I was supposed to go.
I never actually paid. I refused. I’m actually not sure if they ended up sending it to collections. I was in too much pain to give a shit about any of that. I just knew I wasn’t going to willingly pay them.
Oh yeah, WITH insurance.
Our system isn’t just a joke. It’s a predatory scheme.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Incorrect. Even getting a bandage and a bed would cost hundreds if not thousands even with great insurance.
Source: real life
th0maswaschosen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have NEVER paid for healthcare and i have got some hard stuff on my family.
In case you want the “juicy” examples:
- 3 people dead from cancer where 2 of them lived more than 7 years with numerous treatments, including chemo.
- 3 heavy surgeries. The last was my father who got rammed by a van while riding his motorcycle. He got the full left leg in platinum. Probably cancer is more expensive but that one was all done in 11 surgeries in less than 2 years.
Hope that helps.
The country is Spain by the way.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
and still Trump has a 37% popularity
so mich winning
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No way he gets reelected with these abysmal numbers
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
You are still clinging to the hope that there’s gonna be an election?
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I suppose for now with the cost of living being the way it is and the amount of debt that no one can figure out who the US is in debt to, we’re not gonna see that happen for a while.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
This is nonsense sure we could easily have those things but those things are half measures and whatever is being used to define “fully developed capitalist countries” is almost certainly arbitrary and questionable.
Bo7a@piefed.ca 2 months ago
we could easily have those things
You could easily have the things that most of the country asks for but have none of?
Weird…
c64z86@lemmy.world 2 months ago
America may be behind but sadly quite a few countries seem to keen on racing it right to the bottom.
ClownStatue@piefed.social 2 months ago
Don’t kid yourself. They’ve learned plenty.