US police training?
4 rules of firearm safety
Submitted 3 weeks ago by not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to [deleted]
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Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Unironically there’s training where they show trainees 2fps videos of people quick-drawing on cops, and they don’t pass until they shoot the frame the person reaches in a pocket, since theres zero frames between seeing a gun and getting shot.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
That’s the old training videos, from the woke Obama years. Now they’re just shown videos of black men with their hands up, women driving cars, and kids with their backs turned. If it’s an irate white dude with an AR you de-escalate. Unless that dude looks like he’s gay or possibly a pale Mexican.
Zomg@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Check if the firearm is loaded by checking for a bullet while looking down the barrel. Optionally, ask a friend for help, just point it towards them for a quick check.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
hayvan@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Reynholm is so thoughtful, he wouldn’t want the bullet to go to waste.
Zomg@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Wow! Very safety! :^)
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The first one is correct in an odd roundabout way. You can tell if the weapon is loaded by its weight. If the weapon has any weight whatsoever, i.e. it exists, it is treated as if it is loaded. Is there a weapon on the ground in front of you? It’s loaded. Have you been holding it for a while? It’s loaded. Did you clear it then put it on the ground and walk away for a bit? Surprise! It’s magically loaded again.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The devil loads the weapon while you’re not looking
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
The always loaded thing is to also teach you to not treat it flippantly. That you keep cognizant of where it’s pointing at all times and never at someone without intention to shoot them. Even if it’s a semi-auto with the magazine out, slide back, chamber empty you still treat that like a loaded gun.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Did you clear it
then put it on the ground and walk away for a bit? Surprise! It’s magically loaded again.tuhriel@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
During my service, the first rule was extended: “every weapon must be regarded as loaded, until you ensured it isn’t”
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
This rule would make it impossible to clean a Glock
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I used to be a gun salesman.
One day I’m in the back mounting scopes and a customer’s rifle gets delivered to me with the rings and scope. First thing I do it go back out front and have the customer shoulder the rifle so I can see where his eye sits.
I then spend time carefully mounting and leveling the scope, use the bore-sighter to get it zero-ish at 100 yards (enough to hit paper - then the customer finishes at the range), and it’s looking real good.
Last thing I do it work the action to make sure everything still has clearance, and a chrome-plated 300 Win Mag cartidge comes out of the gun.
That gun made it through the firearms check-in, at least 1 other sales guy, to me, back to the customer, and back to me again. We’re supposed to check the rifle every time, and that round made it into the gun. Closest I can figure is people weren’t working the action all the way, and at some point one of us did after seeing the silver color thinking it was the mag follower, and in the process loaded the chamber.
My asshole was puckered for a solid day, but it also spoke to how effective the rules are. Even though multiple people fucked up, following the rest of the rules kept it from actually being dangerous.
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wanna hear something dumb? Not even a sarcastic joke: If you have a loaded revolver with a cocked hammer, and you want to unload it, you must pull the trigger.
Reductive to say it that way, but basically the cylinder locks while the hammer is back, and most hammers won’t move once in position. Ultimately, the trigger’s job is specifically to release the hammer - just normally resulting in a violent impact with the bullet. If the hammer is being tightly held, or even blocked with one’s full hand, the weapon won’t go off.
I don’t own a gun, but I remember it because it’s the stupidest gun fact I’ve learned.
Alberat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
it’s probably really cheap and reliable to build it that way? that’s what i always assume when i hear “dumb” design for some products
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
It’s required for how revolver weapons operate. You cannot have the cylinder floating at all as even a few mm of difference can result in catastrophic failure. People saying revolvers are more “reliable” are full of fucking shit. The damn things are like clocks with their own set of springs and similar to operate.
It was true that early semi-autos were unreliable in keeping from going off suddenly with a round chamber and hammer back. That was early ones though, not today’s. While it’s not 100%, it’s still much safer than a revolver with the hammer back.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yes, this is where the term ‘half-cocked’ comes from.
It varies with double action (DA) revolvers, but basically all single action (SA) revolvers work like:
You pull the hammer half way back, to half cocked, to revolve the cylinder.
You pull the hammer fully back, to fully cocked, for the trigger to be able to loose the hammer and thus fire the bullet.
So, if you are ‘walking around half cocked’, that means you are literally carrying around your weapon in a state where it is easier to fully cock and then fire it, (because you literally dont have to pull the hammer as far to get it to fully cocked), thus it implies you’re basically ready / looking for a fight.
To de cock a fully cocked SA revolver, you pull the hammer back even further than fully cocked, press lightly on the trigger, and then carefully lower the hammer to rest position.
This kind of action mechanism is also what allows ‘fanning’ to be possible:
You just pull the trigger slightly, (the trigger has multiple stages), and then fan the hammer / fully pull the trigger.
Each full ‘fan’ of the hammer will bring it to fully cocked, and because your finger is now fully pulling the trigger, the hammer will immediately fall and thus fire. The fanning also of course pulls the hammer past half cocked, so the cylinder is revolving one click each time as well.
(At least this is my understanding of how one does ‘fanning’, I may be slightly wrong in some way, I’ve never fanned a revolver myself as it is… basically just a kind of trick shooting that is very much not recommended for a typical shooter)
Now… with double action (DA) revolvers, this is different.
Because with a double action, a full pull of the trigger basically pulls the hammer back as well, instead of you having to do that with your thumb.
So as you are pulling the trigger, you get to half cocked, revolving the cylinder, then fully cocked, which also is the point where the hammer is let to fall and thus fire the weapon.
It can get even more complicated with SA/DA, where its kinda both at the same time… there are different variations with different specific procedures for de cocking different kinds and models of revolvers.
And, you can get even more complicated than that, with say the Chiappa Rhino, or the Mateba Semi Auto Revolver.
So basically, broadly, you’re not wrong / mostly generally right, but its even more complicated and depends on the specific kind of revolver you have.
theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You also can’t disassemble a Glock for cleaning without pulling the trigger.
vinyl@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
is that a leaked copy of a police training guide?
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Can’t be; there’s nothing about shooting minorities.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
God fucking damnit.
I get that this is a joke, and it is a good joke, but guns will fucking kill you if you are fucking stupid.
The actual original image, because I don’t any of you goobers to blow your own balls off, or accidentally cap your friend:
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What if one of the goobers is Stewart Rhodes? (Guess why he wears an eye patch)
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
… If Stewart Rhodes is anywhere on Lemmy, we need to know his IP.
Fuck that guy, right in the ‘lifelong reminder of poor weapon handling’ hole.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
this goes hard
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
Best way to check if a gun is loaded is by pulling the trigger.
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You should probably look down the barrel as you do, so you can watch whether a bullet comes out, right? Otherwise you might miss it.
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Simply hold your thumb to the muzzle, this will stop the bullet from coming all the way out.
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Be careful with that method, it can yield false results if the weapon is loaded, but not cocked. Better make sure to cock it first before pulling the trigger.
Slayer@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I recommend pointing a gun at police, that solves the problem real quick
pandorum@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
wtf? is this trolling?
Berttheduck@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
This is the shitpost community.
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
🎵 Welcome to the internet, have a look around…
snooggums@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
No, this is srs bizness.
ddplf@szmer.info 3 weeks ago
This is some really common knowledge among pros, but go ahead rookie, you can stick to your finger discipline bullshit
AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Trigger discipline is for cucks
mastod0n@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In a self-aware sense it’s kinda funny how much this rubs me the wrong way after the correct way was hammered into me as a kid.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Weapons are best cleaned while drunk.
theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Train like you fight.
canniest_tod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is sleight of hand, yall. Don’t follow any of this.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
My rules of firearms safety:
- Live in a country where firearms are not allowed
- Be kind, don’t make enemies
AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But then how do you shoot people that accidentally forgot to use their turn signal. Sounds like hell to me hoss
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Who cares about that when the entire city is pedestrian and cycling focused.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pretty sure this was taught at my CCW refresher course.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Rule 0:
Don’t be seen with a firearm unless you are a white Republican.
TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’d be surprised how many left and liberal leaning people have come around to firearms recently… For no easily identifiable reason at all. SRA and LGC have seen a shitload of new members.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Caesium@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
the real rule 0 is to excersize the second amendment
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
What about have fun and always be yourself (a WASPy man)?
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You should shoot yourself with small caliber bullets to build up immunity to larger ones.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
The body has a way of just shutting that down.