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Fuck them both.
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Submitted 3 weeks ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 weeks ago
Riverside@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
How? The US is literally invading Iran as we speak and China is the main country supporting Iran’s right to self defense
flyby@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah instead of genociding people in other countries they genocide people in their country
Bullerfar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This ^^
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah, same here honestly
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I literally said this to a tankie on here once, and they responded “Yes, unironically.”
cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Totalitarianism is a term that was explicitly used to flatten any differences between socialist states and fascist ones. It’s not a particularly useful term if you want to actually interrogate how these states operated.
mEEGal@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Actually worse
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
They’re right
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I think imperialism is bad :/
Vandalismo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
US imperialism has set a dictatorship in my country that lasted 21 years, killed and tortured people in the most horrible ways and led to unimaginable inflation, while Chinese imperialism here has been decreasing donkey population by buying them and making a tea that makes you more masculine supposedly.
DeckPacker@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Well, China also is actively committing a genocide against their Muslim minority and invaded Tibet
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Well, China also is actively committing a genocide against their Muslim minority
Source?
cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Most muslim majority countries do not accuse China of genocide. The states that do make this claim are the same ones that are actively supporting an ongoing genocide against Palestinians. Who should we choose to believe?
Vandalismo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There are 10 chinese ethnicites who are mostly sunni, and they’re alright. And so are tibetans after they ended serfdom.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Haven’t you heard? It was silently downgraded to a cultural genocide, because there was no actual proof of genocide. Cultural genocide is not recognized by the UN, because Western colonial powers started sweating profusely when Lemkin proposed it.
antisoumerde@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
According to the pedophiles who invaded Iran, China is really evil 🤣
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
i would ask if we are from the same country but this super common worldwide
not so coincidentally got a brutal dictatorship in my country from us imperialism too. also killed and tortured folks. the country still hasn’t recovered. on top of the usual economic and political pressure for us to do their bidding.
china helped build some infrastructure and makes some good deals with us but also bad ones too.
antisoumerde@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Guys what about China?? Guys OK my country does bad shir but what about Iran guys??? Guys??? What about Hamas guys?? Saddam had nukes guys don’t forget about the tankies??? It’s like feminizm maybe the pendulum is swinging too far the other side guys???
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
My pendulum only swings one way, towards class consciousness.
0x0@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Time to listen to Asian Dub Foundation.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Thanks for the post. I got so many tankies blocked
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why would you ever block a tankie?
They’re hilarious. You are no fun
Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Nah I’m here for entertainment, and seeing other people argue and arguing with people who support concentration camps is just not entertaining to me. Same as transphobes, I’m not going to waste my time with that shit
Bababasti@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Good thing I’m an anarchist, I want all states to be dismantled equally ^_^
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Including Palestinian statehood? Rather than thinking all states need to be dismantled equally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on the worst ones while protecting the establishment of progressive ones, like Palestine?
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Critical analysis is like critical thought; absent from liberals and anarchists.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
It’s not that the Palestinian Authority is doing a great job at helping the people on the ground. The Two State Solution (and therefore Palestinian statehood) isn’t liberation either.
Godric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Based
cashsky@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
And all showers dismantled equally
Riverside@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Communists want all States to be dismantled too, we just understand that this cannot be achieved while world capitalism exists.
Godric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
want all states to be dismantled
create a monstrous authoritarian state in response
Holy shit buddy, please at least give the Proletariat a chance, bloodydamn!
justlemmyin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
At the moment Chinese propaganda is working in a far superior way than murican propaganda, so yes, I agree with the me me.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I mean is it though :> 1/3rd of Americans think the election was stolen because of the right wing media network. I would guess it’s probably the same percent in China who blindly believe what the ccp tells them.
justlemmyin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I meant for us outsiders. But sure. 🙂
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
It’s not that the west practices “bad imperialism” while China practices “good imperialism,” China isn’t imperialist to begin with. In order to understand why, though, we need to understand what imperialism is to begin with, as well as what causes it.
As capitalism monopolizes, it is compelled to expand outward in order to fight falling rates of profit by raising absolute profits. The merging of bank and industrial capital into finance capital leads to export of capital, ie outsourcing. This process allows super-exploitation for super-profits, and is known as imperialism. The domination of financial capital in an economy is what compels a country towards outward expansion, forcing privatization and market expansion via diplomacy on the one hand, and bombs in the other.
This is undeniably true of western countries, who have reached the imperialist stage of capitalism by around the late 19th century, especially the UK, Germany, France, and the US Empire. After World War II, the US Empire became hegemonic, and the western countries vassalized. What’s important is that none of this applies to China.
China is a socialist country. Public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, it governs the large firms and key industries and dominates the overall character of the economy. Private ownership exists, but is secondary to that, filling in the gaps left behind by the huge state driven industries in secondary and underdeveloped areas, and is folded into the public sector as it grows. The capitalist class is not allowed to gain political power, and the working classes control the state.
The key takeaway here for the purposes of imperialism, is that China’s banks are overwhelmingly publicly owned, as are its large firms and key industries, and thus there isn’t the same compulsion towards dominating the global south for profit. Instead, China has mutual cooperation agreements, such as the Belt and Road Initiative and placing zero tariffs on 53 African countries.
The US Empire alone has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, while China has ~3. The US Empire bombed and destroyed countless countries over the last few decades alone, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, is embargoing Venezuela and especially Cuba, and more. China is not. The US Empire practices unequal exchange via maintaining monopoly on higher tech, China does not.
China’s position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
It’s clear at this point: participation in BRI results in sustained and rapid development and mutual cooperation, and working with the west results in sustained impoverishment. China gains from this mutual cooperation, but so do African countries, and unlike the west China doesn’t force trade at the barrel of a gun. That’s part of why it’s mutally beneficial, and results in development in Africa, vs underdevelopment and western enrichment.
The simple reason why China isn’t economically compelled to imperialize is because it isn’t dominated by finance capital, and thus prioritizes long-term results, as we saw in the beginning. It’s simply better for everyone for there to be mutual cooperation, but western countries are dominated by the profit motive and finance capital, which compels them to take short term gains via looting the global south.
All in all, trying to equate western imperialism with China’s trade agreements and multi-national projects is the height of projection, and highlights an utter lack of materialist analysis.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
China isn’t imperialist to begin with.
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Excellent shitpost, milord!
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Why do you talk like this? And is that all you can do to counter what I’ve said, just act like it’s ridiculous to avoid engaging with the points raised?
Sheik@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thank you for sharing this information. Living in an imperialist country makes it hard to understand China’s politics and not fall into some of the propaganda against it, even if you’re careful.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
No problem! Yea, it can be very difficult, searching in English for example always props up results for NYT, CNN, Fox, etc, and we know how biased these sources are when it comes to, say, Palestine. Understanding how China works is going to be very important going forward.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You are most likely responding to an astroturf agent 😬 they linked a Chinese (state owned) tabloid as a source on the uyghur genocide being fake. I can link you to the comment if you want I would just warn that they are cleary not trying to convince for the sake of informing people.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
If those neolibs could read anything not set in Hogwarts they’d be very upset.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Based based based based
Jmdatcs@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
China is a neolib paradise, regardless of the name of the single party in control.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
China being socialist has nothing to do with the name of the party in control, and everything to do with the mode of production and distribution in China. Rather than a neoliberal paradise, it’s closer to a nightmare for neoliberals. %This editorial from The Guardian explains it quite well, actually](theguardian.com/…/china-business-xi-jinping-commu…):
But Xi’s support for mixing private and public ownership structures was purely pragmatic. It had value, he said in another forum, because it would “improve the socialist market economic structure.” Xi’s assessment is echoed by Michael Collins, one of the CIA’s most senior officials for Asia. “The fundamental end of the Communist party of China under Xi Jinping is all the more to control that society politically and economically,” Collins argued earlier this year. “The economy is being viewed, affected and controlled to achieve a political end.”
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The party’s overarching aim, though, has remained consistent: to ensure that the private sector, and individual entrepreneurs, do not become rival players in the political system. The party wants economic growth, but not at the expense of tolerating any organised alternative centres of power.
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“[Capitalists] act as if they are being chased by a bear,” wrote Zhang Lin, a Beijing political commentator, in response to these comments. “They are powerless to control the bear, so they are competing to outrun each other to escape the animal.”
How then, does China’s economy work? Public ownership is the principal aspect of China’s economy. This means that public ownership governs the large firms and key industries, and is what is rising in China, as private ownership is kept to small and medium non-essential industries. No system is static, meaning identifying the nature of a system depends on identifying what is rising and what is dying away. Cpitalists are held on a tight leash, and are prevented from gaining political power as a class. The reason private ownership is allowed at all is because China has very uneven development due to their rapid industrialization, and private ownership does help with filling in gaps left by the primary aspects of the economy like SOEs.
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
China does have billionaires, as you might then protest. China is in the developing stages of socialism. Between capitalism, which is characterized by private ownership being the principal aspect of the economy and the capitalists in control of the state, and communism, characterized by full collectivization of production and distribution devoid of classes and the state, run along the lines of a common plan, is socialism, where public ownership is principle and the working classes in control. China in particular is working its way out of the initial stages of socialism:
The reason China has billionaires is because China has private property, and the reason it has private property is because of 2 major factors: the world economy is still dominated by the US empire, and because you cannot simply abolish private property at the stroke of a pen. China tried that already. The Gang of Four tried to dogmatically force a publicly owned and planned economy when the infrastructure best suited to that hadn’t been laid out by markets, and as a consequence growth was positive but highly unstable.
Why does it matter that the US Empire controls the world economy? Because as capitalism monopolizes, it is compelled to expand outward in order to fight falling rates of profit by raising absolute profits. The merging of bank and industrial capital into finance capital leads to export of capital, ie outsourcing. This process allows super-exploitation for super-profits, and is known as imperialism.
In the People’s Republic of China, under Mao and later the Gang of Four, growth was overall positive but was unstable. The centrally planned economy had brought great benefits in many areas, but because the productive forces themselves were underdeveloped, economic growth wasn’t steady. There began to be discussion and division in the party, until Deng Xiapoing’s faction pushing for Reform and Opening Up won out, and growth was stabilized.
Deng’s plan was to introduce market reforms, localized around Special Economic Zones, while maintaining full control over the principle aspects of the economy. Limited private capital would be introduced, especially by luring in foreign investors, such as the US, pivoting from more isolationist positions into one fully immersed in the global marketplace. As the small and medium firms grow into large firms, the state exerts more control and subsumes them more into the public sector. This was a gamble, but unlike what happened to the USSR, this was done in a controlled manner that ended up not undermining the socialist system overall.
China’s rapidly improving productive forces and cheap labor ended up being an irresistable match for US financial capital, even though the CPC maintained full sovereignty. This is in stark contrast to how the global north traditionally acts imperialistically, because it relies on financial and millitant dominance of the global south. This is why there is a “love/hate” relationship between the US Empire and PRC, the US wants more freedom for capital movement while the CPC is maintaining dominance.
Fast-forward to today, and the benefits of the CPC’s gamble are paying off. The US Empire is de-industrializing, while China is a productive super-power. The CPC has managed to maintain full control, and while there are neoliberals in China pushing for more liberalization now, the path to exerting more socialization is also open, and the economy is still socialist. It is the job of the CPC to continue building up the productive forces, while gradually winning back more of the benefits the working class enjoyed under the previous era, developing to higher and higher stages of socialism.
In doing this, China has presented itself to the global south as an alternative to the unequal exchange the global north does with the global south, which is accelerating the development of the global south. China is taking a more indirect method of undermining global imperialism than, say, the USSR, but its been remarkably effective at uplifting the global working classes, especially in China but also in the global south.
To call China “imperialist” or “capitalist” is to either invent a fantasy of China or to not understand imperialism, capitalism, or socialism. China isn’t a utopia, it’s a real socialist country.
cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Do you know what “neoliberalism” is or even what the “global south” refers to? Because none of this makes any sense.
China famously rejected neoliberal economics when carrying out market reform. That’s why their economy skyrocketed instead of collapsing like many Eastern European countries. They are also considered part of the global south and are still a developing country in many respects.
menas@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
okay that seem to be coherent. We are used to define imperialism as “the system produce by the competition between states”. Some domination are note linked (or loosely) with market.
I understand why it’s interesting to focus on things we can fight on. But a lot of us couldn’t fight the financial market and it’s exportation. However we could blockade exportation of weapons, sending medic kit or foods to people that suffer from domination.
I’m not saying your definition is wrong, I’m saying that I found it ineffective for an international solidarity of the working class
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
To the contrary, understanding how capitalism turns to imperialism helps us see what countries have revolutionary potential, and how to end imperialism. Imperialism allows the capitalist class in the core to “bribe” their working classes, in the form of huge safety nets like in the nordic countries, or in the form of cheap commodities like in the US. This serves as a pressure valve. However, what this also means is that the contradictions are exported to the imperialized countries.
That’s why, in the global south, revolutionary movements have peppered the 20th and 21st centuries. Helping countries in the global south fight imperialism includes sabotaging war efforts against Iran and Palestine, for example. When diplomacy fails to force open markets for foreign plunder, imperialist countries turn to bombs. That’s why the US Empire is bombing Iran, to open their markets up for US companies to own Iranian oil production.
As anti-imperialists, we need to understand the motive forces of imperialism to break them. The solution to end imperialism is to pivot to socialism, and this is genuine international working class solidarity.
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
oh god. Another one of these. I’ll bite. How is China imperialist. Bonus points if you don’t mention Uyghurs because that’s not imperialism and the zenz/ US propaganda has been widely debunked.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
Have you ever heard of Tibet?
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
How are y’all still upset that your little slave-owning, theocratic warlord state got liberatated 70 years ago?
Riverside@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Have you ever asked Tibetan people what they believe? There is literally not any significant Tibet independence movement within China, Tibet is its own autonomous region in China with special rights and higher autonomy than most other provinces, and the culture, religion and language are respected.
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Yes?
Godric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Widely debunked” is a funny way to say “I really like to downplay this”, but excluding the active genocide, China is actively yoinking and creating islands, debt trapping countries, etc
zeejoo@thelemmy.club 3 weeks ago
How is China Imperialist
12 dash line, Belt and road is just neo-colonialism debt traps and soft power grabs, consistent threats to the sovereignty of Bhutan, Taiwan, the Phillipines and more. Financial and material aid to both sides of the conflict in Myanmar, weapon sales to Russia for use in Ukraine, etc.
You’re either incredibly dishonest or incredibly fucking stupid
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
bait = grabbed lol
nooch@lemmy.vg 3 weeks ago
Depends on the definition. In Lenin’s Imperialism, the highest form of capitalism, he defines five criteria:
And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its complete development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
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the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life;
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the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy;
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the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance;
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the formation of international monopolist capitalist combines which share the world among themselves, and
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the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed.
1 and 2 apply with some caveats, 3 and 4 are a yes (WTO, UN, BRICS, etc), and 5 should be seen through a soft-power neo colonialist lens with China’s influence in Africa for example.
This is not meant to be anti-China or whatever, anything China has done pales in comparison with US imperialism, just that I don’t think it’s a completely baseless accusation.
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How is China imperialist?
It helps if you insist the natural state of Chinese territory is a balkinized patchwork of ethnic enclaves fighting border wars “Romance of the Three Kingdoms” style, and the amalgamation of territory over 3000 years of dynastic rule gets dumped on the head of the current government.
Bonus points if you don’t mention Uyghurs
Uyghurs are the only Muslim group that the NAFO crowd are allowed to empathize with. And only when they’re local to the Tarim Basin. God help you if you’re a Uyghur living in Europe or Southeast Asia or the United States because they’re not welcome.
the zenz/ US propaganda
Mentioning the name of Adrian Zenz, the history of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (and where it gets its money), or any choice passages from the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation marks you out as a Wumao Far-Left Ultra-Stalinist Botfarm with cooties and a stupid face.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’ll bite too. I live in the Philippines. I’m too stressed to even think about how impossibly cheap Chinese imports have displaced local industries. Walmart style.
We have a long mostly harmless history with local Chinese entrepreneurs, but I’m talking about CCP-sponsored conglomerates and drug, gambling, and troll farms planted just around metros.
It’s mostly soft power and undercover for now, but if the US isn’t looking, we’d be Belarus to Russia.
Sike it’s not all softpower, we have the fucking South China Sea.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Belt and Road Initiative
wraekscadu@vargar.org 3 weeks ago
China isn’t as successful at imperialism as the Americans. The American ruling class is just… Too good at being evil.
Doesn’t mean that China and Russia aren’t imperialist though. They’re just unable to beat the US… For now…
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
China and Russia are taking over in the soft imperialism department, because some billionaire moron had to kill USAID. Let’s hope their soft imperialism won’t have really bad consequences human rights-wise (though the US also had a spotty record with that).
zbyte64@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
“Both sides bad” vibes projected onto geopolitics.
If Israel treated Palestine like China treats the Uyghurs then Kamala would be president.
bridgeburner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
At least China uses the metric system, which makes them better than the US /j
Riverside@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
It’s beyond me how after seeing the past years of overt Zionist propaganda denying genocide in most western media, anyone here is still willing to listen to western media on international affairs. Like, haven’t you seen them take the mask off already? How are you trusting BBC’s reporting on China?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
China: persues peaceful reunification with Taiwan
The West: "LOOK!!! THEY’RE WORSE THAN US!!! invades nation illegally
Okay budy
Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
If you can tell me which countries China is setting up neocolonies to extract all their wealth and resources from, please let me know. Whoever made this meme, please educate yourself.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
China isn’t imperialist. It seems mutual cooperation with the world, instead of the West’s desire to extract from the Global South, leaving them poor in goods (in/tangible) and services and the West rich.
Once again, neolibs cope that their empire is righteous and excellent while ignoring reality completely.
mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
US: bombing multiple countries for decades across the world
China: has not had a war since 1979
Me, very intelligent: actually these are identical!
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
LOL
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
China doesn’t even imperialize as hard as America. They have this slow thing on taiwan and some of the nearby countries but they’re not going to like Iran and bombing the shit out of it
Jaimesmith@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Same behavior, different branding… people just pick their favorite version 😅
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Westerners feel that way when the propaganda/ideology is threatened. They also often have issues not thinking in all or nothing terms, so they need these dichotomies.
Seeing from the heavily upvoted comments removed by the mods, this ain’t changing anytime soon, lol.
heartpunk25@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have seen videos about how they have invested in their cities and public transit and the cheap futuristic cars and rich cousine the people make in China itself. But from I understand now their education system is kind of useless with their entry test forcing people into a certain career they don’t want, so companies hire more on likeability, queer rights is horrible, women’s rights are behind and while it isn’t quite dystopian people are scared to say anything that offends the government. And everyone knows they have the most invasive privacy system, they will even use it for things like knowing automatically that you paid for a train ticket wheb you walk in so it feels like a plus as long as you’re a good citizen. The cost of living compared to wages is definitely lower there right now though, but I don’t think I would ever move to China. Honestly, almost anywhere looks better than the US in the 2020’s. I think Mexico looks better in most places. Europe looks so so much better.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
Your little pfp gif always makes these memes even better lol
pyre@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not a China friendly person but holy false equivalence. if you compare the damage done to the world, the US is immeasurably worse than china. I’d rather have 400 china’s in the world than the one US that we have.
Rise1547@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Ah good old vagueposting. Fuck off, OP
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Shhhhhh You’re scaring .ml
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Inb4…
NSA MASS SURVEILLANCE KENT STATE KENT STATE UNI CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY DAVID MISCAVIGE 佔領華爾街 MAY 4 1970 MASSACRE 肯特州立大学枪击事件 MAY 13 1985 MOVE BOMBING「MOVE」組織轰炸 RED SUMMER 1919 HOUSE UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES COMMITTEE 众议院非美活动调查委员会 TRAIL OF TEARS 美国本地人种族灭绝 JIM CROW SEGREGATION 吉姆·克勞法 HUMAN RIGHTS 人權 CITIZENS UNITED 联合公民诉联邦选举委员会案 SAFETY 安全 HIGH SPEED RAIL 人民共和国高速铁路 STRONG MASS LINE 群众路线 REPUBLIC OF HAWAII 夏威夷共和国 THIRTEEN COLONIES 十三殖民地 VIETNAM AFGHANISTAN IRAQ 伊拉克 EDWARD SNOWDEN 爱德华·斯诺登 SCIENTOLOGY 山達基教會 GUANTANAMO BAY DETENTION CAMP 关塔那摩湾拘押中心 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE 諾貝爾和平獎 BARACK OBAMA 贝拉克·奥巴马 COMMUNISM SOLIDARITY LABOUR ACTION ANTI-CAPITALIST PRO-REVOLUTION PROTEST MOVEMENT ANTIFA RIOT POLICE BRUTAILITY POLICE OCCUPATION PAID SUSPENSION LEFTIST COUNTER PROTEST CHARLES MANSON MANSON FAMILY JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BORDER CONCENTRATION CAMPS MKULTRA ASSASINATE FRED HAMPTON JANE FONDA EUGENE DEBS MALCOLM X EAT THE RICH THE CRUMBLING OF AMERICA REAGANOMICS INFOWARS MANUFACTURING CONSENT FASCIST OLIGARCHY FBI HONEYPOT NSA SPYING ICE DEPORTATIONS WAR ON DRUGS PRISON SLAVERY CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE ENHANCED INTERROGATION MY LAI PRISON RAPE DEPORTATION MS13 PIZZAGATE LOLIHENTAI PURCHASING KINDER EGG LOTTERY OPERATION SEA SPRAY PATRIOT ACT AMWAY 21 SAVAGE 奇多贝尼托 SCOTT WARREN NET NEUTRALITY LOVEINT EGLIN AIRFORCE BASE COINTELPRO OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD OPERATION EARNEST VOICE OPERATION AURORAGOLD 1999 BELGRADE EMBASSY BOMBING IRAN AIR FLIGHT 655 QASEM SOLEIMANI JEFFREY EPSTEIN MASS PEDOPHILIA ABROAD AND DOMESTIC OPERATION SNOW WHITE HARVEY WEINSTEIN OPERATION CONDOR AARON SWARTZ WACO SIEGE RUBY RIDGE SIEGE 1998 CAVALESE CABLE CAR DISASTER PROJECT ELDEST SON GUNS FOR ANTIGUA GARY WEBB FREE BURMA RANGERS STRONGHOLD RESCUE & RELIEF MCNAMARA’S MORONS PROJECT APPLE PROJECT MIRROR PROJECT WITCH GEORGE PELL ACQUITTAL FORT DETRICK KILLING OF HUEY LONG BLAIR MOUNTAIN ERIC HARROUN MIRACLE VALLEY JINGMING BUILDING INCIDENT YANGJU HIGHWAY INCIDENT 16754432 JAPANESE WARCRIMES OPERATION ASIAN TOUCH OPERATION FREEDOM DEAL CHILEAN COUP D’ETAT TULSA MASSACRE MERE RULE MORO CRATER CUBANA FLIGHT 455 OPIOID EPIDEMIC SACKLER FAMILY JADE HELM 15 NO GUN RI RYAN WHITAKER PROJECT SUNSHINE WECH BAGHTU DASANI FAKE WATER ICE CONCENTRATION CAMPS ICE HYSTERECTOMIES OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX OPERATION MONGOOSE JULIAN ASSANGE EMMETT TILL ANDRE VITCHEK NIKOLA MOTORS FORT HOOD MISSING SOLDIERS AGRICULTURAL ABCD AARON SWARTZ KENTUCKY POLICE HITLER RUSHAN ABBAS GITMO US MILITARY BUYS APP DATA ELAINE MASSACRE LITTLE HIROSHIMA LYSOL INJECTION US RACTOPAMINE MEAT PIKETON WASTE BONUS ARMY DANNY CHEN NORTH DAKOTA ACCESS PIPELINE PROTESTS 北达科他州接入管道抗议 FERGUSON PROTESTS 弗格森暴动 ST. LOUIS PROTESTS 2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动 NUCLEAR TESTING BIKINI ATOLL 比基尼环礁的核试验 UNITE THE RIGHT RALLY 团结右集会 CHARLOTTE PROTESTS 夏洛特暴动 ATTACK ON SUI-HO DAM 袭击穗河水坝 MILWAUKEE PROTESTS 密尔沃基骚乱 Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世 Operation Condor 神鹰行动 Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 1992Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 Vietnam War 越南战争 Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案 Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 Bagram 巴格拉姆 Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 Highway of Death 死亡之路 Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 Red Summer 红色夏天 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 Jeju uprising 济州起义 Colfaxmassacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀 Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 Redwood Massacre红木大屠杀 Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 TIMBER SYCAMORE DANNY CHEN PROJECT ICEWORM CHINESE EXLCUSION ACT BIKINI ATOLL GUANO ACT LOVE CANAL JIM JONES PEOPLE’S TEMPEL PARENT’S CHOICE HEAVY METALS OPERATION BROTHER SAM 2021 TEXAS BLACKOUTNSA MASS SURVEILLANCE KENT STATE KENT STATE UNI CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY DAVID MISCAVIGE 佔領華爾街 MAY 4 1970 MASSACRE 肯特州立大学枪击事件 MAY 13 1985 MOVE BOMBING「MOVE」組織轰炸 RED SUMMER 1919 HOUSE UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES COMMITTEE 众议院非美活动调查委员会 TRAIL OF TEARS 美国本地人种族灭绝 JIM CROW SEGREGATION 吉姆·克勞法 HUMAN RIGHTS 人權 CITIZENS UNITED 联合公民诉联邦选举委员会案 SAFETY 安全 HIGH SPEED RAIL 人民共和国高速铁路 STRONG MASS LINE 群众路线 REPUBLIC OF HAWAII 夏威夷共和国 THIRTEEN COLONIES 十三殖民地 VIETNAM AFGHANISTAN IRAQ 伊拉克 EDWARD SNOWDEN 爱德华·斯诺登 SCIENTOLOGY 山達基教會 GUANTANAMO BAY DETENTION CAMP 关塔那摩湾拘押中心 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE 諾貝爾和平獎 BARACK OBAMA 贝拉克·奥巴马 COMMUNISM SOLIDARITY LABOUR ACTION ANTI-CAPITALIST PRO-REVOLUTION PROTEST MOVEMENT ANTIFA RIOT POLICE BRUTAILITY POLICE OCCUPATION PAID SUSPENSION LEFTIST COUNTER PROTEST CHARLES MANSON MANSON FAMILY JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BORDER CONCENTRATION CAMPS MKULTRA ASSASINATE FRED HAMPTON JANE FONDA EUGENE DEBS MALCOLM X EAT THE RICH THE CRUMBLING OF AMERICA REAGANOMICS INFOWARS MANUFACTURING CONSENT FASCIST OLIGARCHY FBI HONEYPOT NSA SPYING ICE DEPORTATIONS WAR ON DRUGS PRISON SLAVERY CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE ENHANCED INTERROGATION MY LAI PRISON RAPE DEPORTATION MS13 PIZZAGATE LOLIHENTAI PURCHASING KINDER EGG LOTTERY OPERATION SEA SPRAY PATRIOT ACT AMWAY 21 SAVAGE 奇多贝尼托 SCOTT WARREN NET NEUTRALITY LOVEINT EGLIN AIRFORCE BASE COINTELPRO OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD OPERATION EARNEST VOICE OPERATION AURORAGOLD 1999 BELGRADE EMBASSY BOMBING IRAN AIR FLIGHT 655 QASEM SOLEIMANI JEFFREY EPSTEIN MASS PEDOPHILIA ABROAD AND DOMESTIC OPERATION SNOW WHITE HARVEY WEINSTEIN OPERATION CONDOR AARON SWARTZ WACO SIEGE RUBY RIDGE SIEGE 1998 CAVALESE CABLE CAR DISASTER PROJECT ELDEST SON GUNS FOR ANTIGUA GARY WEBB FREE BURMA RANGERS STRONGHOLD RESCUE & RELIEF MCNAMARA’S MORONS PROJECT APPLE PROJECT MIRROR PROJECT WITCH GEORGE PELL ACQUITTAL FORT DETRICK KILLING OF HUEY LONG BLAIR MOUNTAIN ERIC HARROUN MIRACLE VALLEY JINGMING BUILDING INCIDENT YANGJU HIGHWAY INCIDENT 16754432 JAPANESE WARCRIMES OPERATION ASIAN TOUCH OPERATION FREEDOM DEAL CHILEAN COUP D’ETAT TULSA MASSACRE MERE RULE MORO CRATER CUBANA FLIGHT 455 OPIOID EPIDEMIC SACKLER FAMILY JADE HELM 15 NO GUN RI RYAN WHITAKER PROJECT SUNSHINE WECH BAGHTU DASANI FAKE WATER ICE CONCENTRATION CAMPS ICE HYSTERECTOMIES OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX OPERATION MONGOOSE JULIAN ASSANGE EMMETT TILL ANDRE VITCHEK NIKOLA MOTORS FORT HOOD MISSING SOLDIERS AGRICULTURAL ABCD AARON SWARTZ KENTUCKY POLICE HITLER RUSHAN ABBAS GITMO US MILITARY BUYS APP DATA ELAINE MASSACRE LITTLE HIROSHIMA LYSOL INJECTION US RACTOPAMINE MEAT PIKETON WASTE BONUS ARMY DANNY CHEN NORTH DAKOTA ACCESS PIPELINE PROTESTS 北达科他州接入管道抗议 FERGUSON PROTESTS 弗格森暴动 ST. LOUIS PROTESTS 2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动 NUCLEAR TESTING BIKINI ATOLL 比基尼环礁的核试验 UNITE THE RIGHT RALLY 团结右集会 CHARLOTTE PROTESTS 夏洛特暴动 ATTACK ON SUI-HO DAM 袭击穗河水坝 MILWAUKEE PROTESTS 密尔沃基骚乱 Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世 Operation Condor 神鹰行动 Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 1992Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 Vietnam War 越南战争 Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案 Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 Bagram 巴格拉姆 Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 Highway of Death 死亡之路 Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 Red Summer 红色夏天 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 Jeju uprising 济州起义 Colfaxmassacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀 Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 Redwood Massacre红木大屠杀 Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 TIMBER SYCAMORE PROJECT ICEWORM CHINESE EXLCUSION ACT BIKINI ATOLL GUANO ACT LOVE CANAL JIM JONES PEOPLE’S TEMPEL PARENT’S CHOICE HEAVY METALS OPERATION BROTHER SAM 2021 TEXAS BLACKOUT
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
This goes okayish to “we didn’t start the fire”
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t count if you don’t give me a five page essay on each.
BenVimes@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The title of the next hit light novel.
brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
This but unironically? lol the US is bad. do china next!
But I think most MLs would assume everyone already knows this and would instead want to argue about whether the bad things china does are actually “imperialist,” technically.
IDK maybe this is an accurate depiction of some kind of rabid sinophile…I haven’t had the joy of meeting any.
BoJackHorseman@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Looks like CIA didn’t approve of the copy pasta
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Sad there is no mention of warm water ports
sfxrlz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That looks like emacs spook output
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I had a stroke and died