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• Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Cultural genocide is not recognized by the UN

  This is false.

  Article II

  In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

  Elements of the crime

  The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. (…) The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.

  Bold by me.

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  • merdaverse@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You need to improve your reading skill, because nowhere in the link or your quoted text does it talk about cultural genocide because it has been rejected from the start

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    • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      From your first link:

      Among many other potential reasons, cultural genocide may be committed for religious motives (e.g., iconoclasm which is based on aniconism); as part of a campaign of ethnic cleansing

      This is covered by “intent to destroy (…) ethnical (…) group”.

      From your second link:

      The final prohibited act is the only prohibited act that does not lead to physical or biological destruction, but rather to the destruction of the group as a cultural and social unit

      There will always be political legalese in play, when imperialist powers want to commit genocide, and so they’ll cling to the fact that “cultural genocide” is not specifically mentioned. But, in the case of Uyghurs, it’s a very clear-cut case of both ethnic cleansing and physical genocide (through forced sterilisation and displacement of children).

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      • merdaverse@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Here is the human rights report from the United Nations on Xinjiang. It talks of human rights abuses (which there are), but it doesn’t use the word genocide, because it doesn’t meet any definition of genocide, especially not the ones recognized by the UN.

        The Western move to label it genocide before any actual proof is just atrocity propaganda to divert people’s attention towards China, rather than the West’s own crimes against humanity.

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      • antisoumerde@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Well nobody heard you when the nordics did it to the samis do we?

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  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    This article would therefore define ANY war as genocide. (in whole or in part, killing members of the group, and it may even be a “peaceful situation”).

    This would mean the Nazis were genocided by the Allies.

    This would mean Japan’s treatment of Aum Shinrikyo was also a genocide

    and on and on and on

    In other words, it’s shit.

    This is why no one takes them seriously.

    I don’t even like China, but look at this tripe, come on

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    • antisoumerde@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      tbf dresden was a totally unnecessary bloodbath as so were hiroshima and nagasaki

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    • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      This article would therefore define ANY war as genocide. (in whole or in part, killing members of the group), and it may even be a “peaceful situation”!

      People always focus on the wrong part of the definition.

      The important one is the intent.

      Wars are waged for various reasons - you need “lebensraum”, you need oil, you intervene on behalf of the UN, you counterattack after being attacked yourself, etc.

      The goals in these cases are: expansion of borders, hoarding of wealth, arguably humanitarian intervention, or military defence.

      If your goal is to eliminate a people, that’s genocide.

      And yes, that’s also the reason why it’s so difficult to actually define a military action as “genocide” - because it’s often almost impossible to unequivocally determine what was the intent behind an attack.

      And with that, let’s look at your examples:

      This would mean the Nazis were genocided by the Allies.

      No, because the goal was the stopping of the genocide of Jews, and defeating an aggressor that terrorised Europe and North Africa for four years.

      This would mean Japan’s treatment of Aum Shinrikyo was also a genocide

      No, because the death sentences were carried out not because of their religious beliefs, but because they committed acts of terror.

      This is why no one takes them seriously

      No. No one takes them seriously because most people, like you, don’t understand the definition.

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