The consequences of not building enough housing

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• fort_burp@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Comparing the datasets reveals that there is an average of 45.9 vacant homes per homeless person in the U.S. in 2023, this has increased from 41 in 2010. Mississippi has the highest number of vacant homes to homeless people, with 204.7 vacant homes per one person experiencing homelessness, which is 346% higher than the U.S. average.

  Yea, the problem is capitalism.

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  No, it’s the consequences of capitalism.

  There are over 15 million empty houses in America, over 5 million of those are in the 50 largest metropolitan areas of the US.

  770,000 people were counted as houseless in 2024.

  Sure not every house is in great condition, and not every house is in a major city - but there is surely enough that people could use to if not house everyone, at the very least make a huge dent in that figure. The issue is people cannot afford to buy them because housing is seen as an industry not a basic life need.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Precisely. This is extreme inequity. There are plenty of resources to go around.

    The future was stolen.

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  • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You know I see this figure a lot, but I wonder how many of these are actually liveable.

    My grandfather’s old home is unoccupied, that’s because the roof entirely collapsed. The county refuses to remove it from the property taxes. Based on all available records it’s an unoccupied home, but it’s a total loss in reality.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Who knows, but you only need 5.13% to be in good condition to house everyone.

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• Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There is enough housing. It sits unoccupied and sometimes disrepair.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Occupy Homes

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      that did happen on various degree, only 1 incident in the west last years ago.

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  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yes, though also some are in such economically depressed areas that you can barely get a job.

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    • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We also need to organize for clean public transit; in the meantime, there's often plenty in bustling areas, as well.

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    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Which is a concern, but can largely be mitigated by encouraging work-from-home jobs. If people are able to reliably WFH, (and COVID proved that many jobs can be done entirely from home), then the local job market doesn’t tend to matter as much.

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    • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But a lot of them are in densely populated suburbs or cities, driven out by the artificially inflated rental costs. The owners would rather have a few units empty than lower the rent.

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• Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  A lack of housing is not the problem most places. The problem is that housing shifted from being a place for people to live to a way for people to acquire “passive income”. Hell, the very design of housing changed in a noticeable way: houses shifted from being homes to being feature laden investment vehicles.

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• ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That is not the consequence of enough housing. It’s from wealth hoarding.

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• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  2030 is more like ⚰️

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• cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m not really buying the no housing thing now. The thing is, it turned into a commodity. If you just build more, then those with all the money (because that gap is pretty damn vast nowadays) will just buy and hold and rent them

  Wait till air comes next, or some stupid ass shit.

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  • Crack down on price fixing
  • Don’t let corporations run AirBNBs or similar
  • Don’t let corporations own any rental building over approximately 10 units.
  • Don’t let rental buildings have more than a low percentage of empty units for turn around. They have to lower the rent then. If it goes to $200/month, then so be it.

  There are so many things to try, but Trickle Down Housing never works.

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  • billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Don’t let corporations own single family homes. Drastically increase the tax rate for more than 3 houses by any single person. A landlords income is not producing anything useful, it’s stealing income from people actually providing society with something useful.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Drastically increase the tax rate for more than 3 houses by any single person.

      I would say that it should start building the tax after one house and go drastic like you said on the 3rd.

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  • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ratcheting taxes for unoccupied houses and apartment units. Allow a grace period of one year, to allow for flips. But after that, every home you own after the first is considered unoccupied if it is vacant for more than three months of the year. And taxes on vacant homes become increasingly expensive as you own more and more of them. Then take the proceeds of these taxes, and put them towards first time homebuyer assistance programs. This would solve the three largest issues with the housing market right now.

    First, it solves the “sitting on vacant houses to drive up the price of rent” problem. Actively force landlords to keep their apartments and houses full, driving down the price of rent.

    Second, it solves the “buying a dozen houses and only selling one of them” problem. Corporations do this to be able to game the market and drive up prices on the few they do sell. But by making it prohibitively expensive to sit on vacant houses, you preemptively wreck any kinds of profits they would make by sitting on them.

    Third, it would allow for more low interest loans for first time home buyers, and could even be used to offset the potential downpayment costs.

    But of course, this will basically never be implemented, because the lawmakers are all bribed by the corporations that own thousands of vacant homes.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s true that it’s doubtful that this stuff will get implemented if we continue the way we are going. Most people don’t know about these issues and talking about it gets this info out there. The propaganda coming from the corporate landlords is heavy and strong. I’m surprised this isn’t getting trolled heavily tbh. Not sure why it isn’t.

      Things to continue talking about and what I don’t think people realize, know, or understand how bad it is:

      • Price fixing is a huge problem in rentals. They have website services that help the landlords do this.
      • Corporate landlords hold empty homes and apartments vacant until they can get the prices they want rather than lower the price. This is why that trickle down housing shit doesn’t work.
      • Corporations buy up all cheap housing so downturns in markets are only good for them too. See the first 2 bullet points.
      • The push for more housing means that there are more luxury apartments, not homes for who need them. They’ll say that homes will be available when they get shitty over the years. See above bullet points and even if that were true, would take 30 years anyway.

      Go after the corporate landlords and corporate airbnb shit first, then go after the nimbys. The nimbys are the distraction and pits the neighbors against the 15 minute city types instead of the corporations that are making fucking bank.

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  • bountygiver@lemmy.ml ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    hell yeah, rentals should be made prohibitively expensive to keep empty, if the city don’t have the demand to rent it? Then you should sell it at a price people will buy in a short enough time.

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  • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t let corporations own any rental building over approximately 10 units

    Wouldn’t corpos be the ones to buy larger buildings (e.g. over 10 units)? It’s tough for typical individual investors to be able to buy a 100-unit building.

    It’s SFH that they shouldn’t be buying.

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I meant under 10 units, you’re right. I fixed it. I’m down with a cold and I knew it wasn’t quite right, but my brain couldn’t fix it, lol.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Best I can do is fed interest rate cuts.

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• gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Can we get some information on what’s the ratio of total houses/people in the country, from 1960 to today?

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• olafurp@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Residential housing shouldn’t be owned by corporations. It should be built by them and then sold to individuals.

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  • Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A co-op could handle it without much problem.

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    • olafurp@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, anything that prevents the financialisation of residential housing floats my boat. In Iceland we have big corpos selling each other houses at over market price to increase the average m^2 price in an area. It’s pretty bonkers.

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• dp@thebrainbin.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Damn that backpack looking spacious af

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• ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  IMO: do what Vienna is doing: state provided apartments and flats, competing with everyone else. Try price fixing now, corpos. If Vienna did not have this, it would be at the same level as other europeanetropolises.

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• Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  We have plenty of housing. The problem is its all tied up with money horders. There are several times the number of empty houes than there are homeless. If we got rid hedge fund scumbags ability to horde everything including single family dwelings it would go a long way toward fixing this inequity.

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• D_C@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  After the embarrassment of the last ten years, and the ongoing embarrassment until the fat orange child rapist dies, then I’d say getting a backpack and leaving the Nazied States of America is probably the best move.

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• FishFace@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not a shitpost

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Which makes it the ultimate shitpost.

    Oh and the sidebar

    Anything and everything goes.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Nah

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• SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Building it isn’t the problem. My Republican shithole burb just bulldozed the last of our open space, to build 600 single family units starting in the “low one millions.” Can’t afford that? No problem. They’re also building 2000 condos, starting in “the mid 500s.”

  Starting to see the real problem?

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• hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Haha

  I was just watching a YT travelogue of a US guy in his 50s (Gen X) who was travelling the world with a backpack because he cant afford rent in the US.

  www.youtube.com/channel/UCuNKV0CMgcVUiJNdA-JNlJA

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• bajabound@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Obviously fake and misrepresented. The paint isn’t peeling off that van.

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• Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Another cyberpunk come true scenario that involves absolutely no cool cybernetics

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• ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  …you cross-posted from “Neoliberal” and tried to pass it off as a shitpost? For fucks sake. They’re not even trying anymore. At least we don’t have to look at a pedophile in this particular political post. Are the mods ever going to do something about this shit?

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• aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The consequences of letting companies buy up residential homes.

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• Smart_Penicillin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  In Europe we have already achieved the backpack level. We are winning. 💪

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• wander1236@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There’s plenty of housing, it’s just not profitable to let people live there, so obviously it’s better to just leave it all empty.

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  • henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The backwards thing is, it probably actually is profitable, but we can’t see beyond the next quarter. We don’t understand that you can invest in your people.

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• altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s all about the used backpack market here man!

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• dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Appropriate that something in a neoliberal community is in the shitposting community too.

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• baatliwala@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  China is facing opposite problem

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• evol@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  House ownership rates have been like the same for decades ? I really never understood these arguments

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• asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8PI0zauruk

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• RBWells@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Ha!

  I went from #3 in the 80s to #4, then to #1 in the mid 1990s.

  I don’t think it matters where you start, what bothers me so much more is the lack of opportunity to move up this chart now. I knew, in my heart, that if I sold out and worked someplace evil I could have the big money, and what’s more, even without doing evil I could have the small money by following the steps - go to school, get a job.

  I don’t feel like younger people have that. It always took some degree of luck, but more like bad luck would set you back. Now it’s more like you need good luck just to get started!

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• modestmeme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  200 million Americans in 1970, 340 million now. The dream of a nice house with a big yard is limited by space; space that also requires farmland, forests, parks, etc… We need dense apartment buildings, not houses.

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  • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We made a shit tin of those. Many are empty to drive prices up.

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  • evol@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    lol all the people in states ini housing crisis will just complain about rich companies by housing, or even the Chinese buying houses. No one just wants to build housing

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