You need to have $500 gpu to hit 60fps with 1080p native, this is hilariously bad.
'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
Submitted 2 weeks ago by mintiefresh@piefed.ca to games@lemmy.world
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User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I haven’t seen a $500 gpu in near a decade. Even used. If you see a $500 gpu today, I guarantee you it can’t run Borderlands 4.
MrJ199414@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They toned down the humor, which imo wasn’t the problem they needed to write better jokes, and write better villains.
The entire plot feels like an extra long side mission which is basically, “Go Rescue Lilith.” They have been teasing something “big” is coming and that they need to prepare for war since the pre sequel. We have gotten now two new main installments, two “tales”, and a fucking spin-off since then. Yet they still keep teasing this “big” thing. I wish they’d move the narrative along already.
luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Once that big thing happens, they can no longer milk the anticipation
Soapbox@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I haven’t played more than about 30 minutes of a Borderlands game. But from clips I have seen of all of them over the years, they all look exactly the same. Sounds to me like it’s just a poorly optimized game, as is standard for new AAA slop releases.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m so sick of bad performance from all the big engines these days. Even unity makes simple 2d games chug.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unreal is the king of bloat. Rather than “general purpose” they strove for “all purpose” - Unreal Engine tries to do literally everything out of the box with as many bells and whistles attached as possible. The result is that Unreal Engine games require tons of optimization to run well, and even the editor itself consumes tens of gigabytes and runs like crap.
Unity is simply a mess of poor decisions and technical debt. Their devs seem to reinvent a crucial development pipeline every few years, give up halfway, then leave both options exposed and expect developers to just automatically know the pitfalls of each. Combined with horrific mismanagement and hostile revenue-seeking, Unity has lost a ton of goodwill over the past few years. It’s a major fall from grace for what was once the undisputed king of Indie dev engines.
Godot is tiny, decently performant, and great for simple games, but it’s very bare-bones and expects developers to implement their own systems for anything beyond basic rendering, physics, and netcode. Additionally, the core developers have a reputation for being incredibly resistant to making major changes even when a battle-tested pull request for a frequently requested feature is available. Still my personal pick though.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
That’s just the inherent cost of going with general purpose engines.
Some studios are able to use general purpose engines very well, others not so much. It seems like there is a level of expertise needed to make well-oiled games.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
On the contrary, custom engines have been bombing.
Look at Starfield or Cyberpunk 2077 or basically any custom engine AAA.
…Then look at KCD2. It looks freaking fantastic, looks like raytacing with no raytracing, runs like butter, and it’s Crytek.
Look at something like Satisfactory, rendering tons of stuff on a shoestring budged and still looking fantastic thanks to Unreal Lumen.
There’s a reason the next Cyberpunk is going to be Unreal, and its because building a custom engine just for your game is too big an undertaking. Best to put that same budget in optimizing a ‘communal’ engine.
Borderlands 4 is slow because the botched optimization, not because its Unreal.
C1pher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The problem is Randy.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only PCVR titles can even approach saying such things without looking like jerks. And even then, it’s probally counter productive.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
From my experience graphics doesn’t matter much in VR if FPS is fine. You can play HL Alyx on a what was sometime ago affordable gpu and get almost the same experience as with 5900.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You made this statement by using the most optimized high end VR title in existence. And the creators of the game their own engine!
Graphics do matter. That’s why you cited Alyx. Right? Because it has impressive graphics. Graphics in VR have generally stagnated for the past 5 years since Alyx came out.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How tf do companies get to say this shit and still be in business?? Are there that many people who just blindly bend over and take it?? Don’t people have standards anymore?
Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Most of their customers don't listen to them. Not hear and disregard, never listen in the first place. Have no interest in game industry gossip.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yes. It’s in the top selling list in Steam and have 300k concurrent player top. People give him power to say that.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This reminds me of the “AAAA” game thing.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
There aren’t that many Premium™ Gamers®, and trying to pretend that that is, like, a legitimate target demographic to pander to is just sad, folks.
(The funniest gamer influencer backlash I’ve seen lately was against some YouTuber who blew ~$2K on gaming desk and a chair and called it a “minimalist” setup. People at large rightfully went “are you shitting me”.)
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean minimalism is a style, not your budget
maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ran dis Pitchfork into your mom last night
missingno@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
I feel like we've long reached the point where the benefit of top-of-the-line hardware just isn't worth it. IMO, Switch 2 ought to be enough to target, and any game that can't fit on that can probably stand to be scaled back.
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll say it here again, i have an 7900xtx i expect it to run silky smooth.
If it doesn’t, that’s on you brother.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Premium gamer spotted
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Sounds like it works on your machine. What’s your point?
Soggy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When was the last time Randy Pitchford got through a day without being a prick?
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Someday, the industry is going to realize that while transistors might still be getting smaller, they aren’t getting cheaper for it. Which was the original formulation of Moore’s Law; cost of integrated component gets cut in half every x months.
Not just games, but the whole tech industry. Even in so far as faster hardware exists–and it just plain might not in this case–people can’t afford it.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Did not read the article. I have a 3070 graphics card (windows 10)and the game ran fine. I had a problem with not being able to select a different weapon until I messed with it quite a bit and my friend had one crash. He has a 3050.
Frankly I expected much worse, but this is just not a good response. Is he using this as an excuse NOT to fix it?
Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
While I have no desire to defend Randy, Twitter is as Twitter does, and unless you spend time looking at his whole timeline, it sounds like he’s saying only stupid shit like this. He did actually acknowledge the issues, and stated that they’re working on them but also that for now the best way to play is with FSR/DLSS and frame gen.
I disagree with this deeply. He makes arguments about the imperceptibility of latency in frame gen, but that’s only true when the base framerate is high enough. DLSS is probably fine, but it’s also pretty fair for those who are using an 80 or 90 class card to complain about struggling at 1440p native, let alone 4k.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How dare you have a reasonable response when we all just wanna be pissed. /s
But seriously some people should just not interact with the public. It’s a thankless job and you have to have very thick skin and the patience of a saint. I also have a theory that a large percentage of CEOs are sociopaths/psychopaths so …
Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thanks.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Same argument Sony gave when EverQuest 2 launched with stupid high required specs. World of Warcraft launched a month later you could run on any video card from the last 5 years and the whole franchise still hasn’t recovered.
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Battlefield 6 ran like butter. What’s your excuse
Surp@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately it doesn’t matter what any of us say…the damage is done. I saw something like 200k online on steam. Unless most of them refund the negative reviews are meaningless. Pretend it was only 200k on steam and they bought just the “shitty” $70 version. …who knows how many bought on other platforms as well. They made a lot of money already is all I’m saying and I wish they didn’t. Games junk.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Make it perform well, then we can talk premium.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s basically the “AAAA-game” bit again
Evotech@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AAAA gamers
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s more akin to trying to drive a semi truck with a semi truck motor but then something drops and there’s a ton of friction like an unintentional tractor pull. Even the best chips on the market display subpar performance.
Pondis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m an ok gamer, maybe even good, but premium? I don’t know… I guess this game isn’t for me. Better spend my money on other games then.
kepix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the fact, that steam reviews were on mostly negative on launch day, and it suddenly got mostly positive means steam has once again tempered with the statistics. fuck valve as well.
pat277@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Steam tampers with statistics of the reviews? Is there like proof of that part specifically? Im just seeing people thumbs up and complaining about performance
kepix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
big companies call it review bombing when they fail to meet consumer expectations. in these cases valve doesnt count negative reviews within a time period.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anyone who bought this game, is a moron. No ifs, no ands, no buts. Randy is a fucking prick, and made no secret of his feelings towards gamers right before the game came out. No one should have spent a single penny on this dogshit.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
…is he trying to promote the game by acting like one of its shitty characters?
TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Drink up me hearties.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not so fast, mate! Here, there be Denuvo.
TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
So thats why it runs like shit.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Message received. Never pay for this game.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll avoid any controversy by not buying the game, and spending elsewhere.
Bobylein@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well now I am giving even less of a fuck about this series that should’ve ended after the second title
Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Eh. I didn’t even finish borderlands 3. won’t bother getting 4