Submitted 5 weeks ago by voytek709@lemmy.ca to [deleted]
Not every immigrant is illegal or bad. I know a girl who didn’t speak English for 3 years when her family legally immigrated, so of course she’s been told this.
someone called my Ukrainian coworker a wetback.
i just… want you to think about that and what it says about how dumb bigots are
I feel both superior and stupid at the same time in this moment. I don’t know what a “wetback” is. Based on context I’m going to guess it’s some kind of racist remark that doesn’t apply to Ukrainains. But for the life of me, I can’t think of what it would even be saying.
So I feel stupid for not knowing…but also like I’m probably the better person for NOT knowing.
it’s a racial slur against latin americans. it’s referencing backstroking across the rio grande
Unfortunately I’m familiar with the term. It refers to Latin people immigrating without documentation by swimming across the Rio Grande river which forms part of the border between the U.S. and Mexico.
Oh my God… 🤦
LOL reminds me about the bigot during the first Trump administration harassing Puerto Ricans because he claimed they are aren’t American citizens. Get ready for even more of this nonsense in the next 4 years, ugh.
So… looking at the context and the intent, is it pure racism even if they didn’t come up from the south? It’s bigoted, I guess?
A lot of people are influenced by alt-right news (Fox News, Newsmax, OAN) who keep repeating the false claim that undocumented immigrants are mostly gangsters and violent criminals.
Trump said, regarding the first deportation flight:
Three hundred people sitting on a plane. Every single one of them is either a murderer, a drug lord, a kingpin, the head of the mob, or a gang member
Yet none of those deportees had any criminal conviction in either country (according to Newsweek, a slightly-right news source).
Because they’re stupid, bigoted cunts. I IT in construction (somehow still, whew thats another story) and I talk to these troglodytes on a daily basis. The minute one of these homunculus shambles in and has a minute to flap their lip skins racist ass, stupid ass shit flows out. Meanwhile, every gentleman that is of Mexican descent can at least hold their cool, or outright flipoff the trump cutout my boss has up in our office. Not saying they aren’t imperfect humans either, but for some fucken reason white dudes can’t help but drop the mask to other white dudes. All I gotta do is have one Trump trinket near me to work magic on anyone conversing with me. The trick is, a lot of the immigrant dudes didnt start flipping Trump off until he actually began this deportation shit. Even when he was saying he’d do it they were saying he’d fix stuff. Its a people thing man idk. Education in the western hemisphere is just utterly failing most. If you aren’t a knowledge seeker, if you dont have the tools to combat propaganda and falsehoods, and sometimes even if you do, this place will eat you.
Because they’re stupid, bigoted cunts.
I feel like you could have said just this. Not saying the rest of your post is invalid in anyway. I’m just saying that first sentence sums it up completely.
You’re right, but the rest of his post is pure poetry. I wish I could be eloquent that way.
American fascism doesn’t care what’s true or what’s right. It cares only to kill and enslave people who are “undesirable”
You know it’s true because it’s fun to say
Racism.
That’s i t.
That’s literally it.
“Shouldn’t that logic apply to…”
One must remember that people aren’t logical. They’re hypocritical and willfully ignorant.
Send musk back please.
Because people here are racists, yet not clever.
The US is an immigrant nation built on the genocide of natives. Anti-immigration sentiment is based on an ignorance of history and the modern workforce of the country.
Crackdowns on undocumented workers will destroy the local agricultural industry. The US and its food supply are completely dependent on migrant labor.
And yes, it’s deeply hypocritical to genocide a population, steal their land, then act like people who came from elsewhere a few generations later to work are an existential problem.
“Well, WE did it, so obviously they’ll try it too!”
Because we have an idiot problem over here right now. The person you know is an idiot.
You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that’s where you went wrong
Racism, that answer is racism… No need to over analyse this
Where’s the meme of someone holding the box and inside is one word? Racism
Whats worse is that the current administration has stated that native Americans are not US citizens and indigenous communities are being hassled hard by ICE right now. I don’t know what their plan for native people eventually is but it won’t be good and it won’t be to just leave them out of this.
Okay, what the hell? They are NATIVE Americans.
Yes but but not native United Statesians
So are the vast majority of most Mexicans. Mexico is mostly a Native American country that has been a bit acculturated to Spanish culture. Their genes are mostly native, their food is mostly native, their name is native, and they even have a native Virgin Mary called the Virgin of Guadalupe that wears Mexican-style clothes. South Park did a bit on this where the women of South Park were getting “wise” advice from Native Americans, so it was highly regarded and sought out. Towards the end of the episode, the women of South Park found out that the advice was coming fro two Mexicans, so they got upset and disregarded it as crap.
Fun fact: What is now the Southwestern US used to be part of Mexico which is why a lot of places there have Spanish names. It became US territory at the end of the Mexican-American War via the Treaty of Guadalupe.
Fun fact 2: BBQ is Native American. The word comes from the Taino word barabicu.
Guess the illegal immigrants just want to finish the genocide.
Send them… Back?
I think it’s as simple as this: people need an enemy, some person or group they feel is against them. Conservatives get off on having a victim complex, and will straight up make shit up against their opposition just to make themselves look like a helpless little child. “Oh no, what am I gonna do? Me or my granddaughter needs a job and I heard in the news they’re all being taken up by immigrants” meanwhile, the same person is being fed this information from the comfort of their couch.
“The immigrants are taking our jobs” is a sentiment that I have seen at least in my part of the country go down in the last several years and im in a very conservative area. Simple fact is immigrant workers work cheaper and faster than others and they often do better work, people are realizing that.
Racism. Next question.
Short answer is “propaganda”. News agencies against immigration will pretty regularly swap between “illegal immigrants”, “immigrants”, and <insert current target race here> as if they’re practically interchangable to build whatever narrative they want, and also to slowly build an association between ‘people of <insert race>’, ‘being a drain on society’, and ‘being here illegally’ to get the average person to side with them.
There was a 19th century political party that rose in opposition to the arrival of Irish Catholic immigrants. They had the audacity to call themselves the Native American Party. Also, known as the Know Nothings. They’re the gang that Bill the Butcher (Daniel Day Lewis) leads in Gangs of New York.
White conspiracy theorists know they stole this land and are terrified that what goes around, comes around.
See, back then, there used to be this thing called ‘an education’ that every functioning member of society was expected to have. Basic reasoning skills, the ability to reason and all that - it was meant to separate sapient species from animals and solve problems by means of discourse, debate and, worked well for a while. Then this group started shouting really loud, and the other group thought not to engage in uncivilised behaviour, hoping good sense would prevail and restrain what was largely seen as an anomaly. Only the shouting didn’t end. Instead it turned to screaming, then hollering, and started to drown out reason and logic and everything we had developed as a society up til that point. And it worked, so more people started screaming their basal instincts, until the voice of reason was eventually drowned out, then silenced. And here we are today.
The answer to your question is right in your question.
“Logic”
Cold, hard logic no longer applies. Reality is manufactured now. Pointing out a logical fallacy doesn’t change anyone’s mind if that logic doesn’t coincide with their ideology.
Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist. In my experience, if you reply with yeah this is a problem we need to change how it works so people arent forced to do illegal things, they will tell they just dont want them here. Its not about coming in illegally its about non white people coming here. We really need reform. Your friend is on very sad and dangerous path.
Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist.
It feels like the percentages are the other way around.
Eh I feel like its harder to find a racist than it is to find a dummy. Most people just dont understand why they are doing so bad at life so they need someone to blame
the logic is that they think white people deserve the land more. Its plain old racism.
The White House made it so that all inmigrants are criminals by default because they entered the country illegally. Turning innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now everyone is guilty by association.
Well, they aren’t talking about the huge number of “illegals” who are here on expired visas because that would mean a lot of white people would get rounded up in this bullshit.
Assuming that all non-white people are illegal immigrants is called “racism”. (Stupid too, but mostly racism)
those people are looking for something to hate and they have been provided it by propaganda and general cesspool that is the groups hateful people gather in. This is also why those kind of people are deadend for society. If they get rid of all immigrants they will find some other group to hate and after getting rid of those they will find another again until there are only 2 people that want to kill eachother, if you excuse the hyperbole.
Your first mistake is assuming logic has anything to do with it.
It’s origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US
It’s inherent feature of human reasoning across the board. Everyone does broad generalizations about other people based on more or less unrelated information about them. Just yesterday someone here was getting upvoted for implying people driving lifted trucks are racists. It’s the same logic at work there.
I feel like America is like this especially. I’ve seen them assume too many things about me because of single beliefs I held
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s the great thing about racism, it doesn’t have to make sense!
camilobotero@feddit.dk 5 weeks ago
Image Racism? Not thanks!