Not every immigrant is illegal or bad. I know a girl who didn’t speak English for 3 years when her family legally immigrated, so of course she’s been told this.
That’s the great thing about racism, it doesn’t have to make sense!
Why do some people assume all immigrants are illegal and should "go back to where they came from"? Shouldn't that logic apply to all non-Native Americans?
Submitted 1 year ago by voytek709@lemmy.ca to [deleted]
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Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
someone called my Ukrainian coworker a wetback.
i just… want you to think about that and what it says about how dumb bigots are
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I feel both superior and stupid at the same time in this moment. I don’t know what a “wetback” is. Based on context I’m going to guess it’s some kind of racist remark that doesn’t apply to Ukrainains. But for the life of me, I can’t think of what it would even be saying.
So I feel stupid for not knowing…but also like I’m probably the better person for NOT knowing.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
it’s a racial slur against latin americans. it’s referencing backstroking across the rio grande
TootSweet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Unfortunately I’m familiar with the term. It refers to Latin people immigrating without documentation by swimming across the Rio Grande river which forms part of the border between the U.S. and Mexico.
voytek709@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Oh my God… 🤦
otherbarry@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
LOL reminds me about the bigot during the first Trump administration harassing Puerto Ricans because he claimed they are aren’t American citizens. Get ready for even more of this nonsense in the next 4 years, ugh.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So… looking at the context and the intent, is it pure racism even if they didn’t come up from the south? It’s bigoted, I guess?
Limonene@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A lot of people are influenced by alt-right news (Fox News, Newsmax, OAN) who keep repeating the false claim that undocumented immigrants are mostly gangsters and violent criminals.
Trump said, regarding the first deportation flight:
Three hundred people sitting on a plane. Every single one of them is either a murderer, a drug lord, a kingpin, the head of the mob, or a gang member
Yet none of those deportees had any criminal conviction in either country (according to Newsweek, a slightly-right news source).
Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because they’re stupid, bigoted cunts. I IT in construction (somehow still, whew thats another story) and I talk to these troglodytes on a daily basis. The minute one of these homunculus shambles in and has a minute to flap their lip skins racist ass, stupid ass shit flows out. Meanwhile, every gentleman that is of Mexican descent can at least hold their cool, or outright flipoff the trump cutout my boss has up in our office. Not saying they aren’t imperfect humans either, but for some fucken reason white dudes can’t help but drop the mask to other white dudes. All I gotta do is have one Trump trinket near me to work magic on anyone conversing with me. The trick is, a lot of the immigrant dudes didnt start flipping Trump off until he actually began this deportation shit. Even when he was saying he’d do it they were saying he’d fix stuff. Its a people thing man idk. Education in the western hemisphere is just utterly failing most. If you aren’t a knowledge seeker, if you dont have the tools to combat propaganda and falsehoods, and sometimes even if you do, this place will eat you.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because they’re stupid, bigoted cunts.
I feel like you could have said just this. Not saying the rest of your post is invalid in anyway. I’m just saying that first sentence sums it up completely.
ickplant@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re right, but the rest of his post is pure poetry. I wish I could be eloquent that way.
thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
American fascism doesn’t care what’s true or what’s right. It cares only to kill and enslave people who are “undesirable”
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You know it’s true because it’s fun to say
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 year ago
Racism.
That’s i t.
That’s literally it.
DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 1 year ago
- Not all US cirizens feel this way. Convict47 won by 1.5%, with 19 million less voters Thant the previous time. Voter suppression won this election.
- And for the ones that feel this way, you’ve got it absolutely right, plain old ignorant racism.
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Shouldn’t that logic apply to…”
One must remember that people aren’t logical. They’re hypocritical and willfully ignorant.
Bieren@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Send musk back please.
drahardja@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because people here are racists, yet not clever.
N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The US is an immigrant nation built on the genocide of natives. Anti-immigration sentiment is based on an ignorance of history and the modern workforce of the country.
Crackdowns on undocumented workers will destroy the local agricultural industry. The US and its food supply are completely dependent on migrant labor.
And yes, it’s deeply hypocritical to genocide a population, steal their land, then act like people who came from elsewhere a few generations later to work are an existential problem.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Well, WE did it, so obviously they’ll try it too!”
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Because we have an idiot problem over here right now. The person you know is an idiot.
urquell@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that’s where you went wrong
Jhex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Racism, that answer is racism… No need to over analyse this
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Where’s the meme of someone holding the box and inside is one word? Racism
Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Rhusta@midwest.social 1 year ago
[deleted]voytek709@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Okay, what the hell? They are NATIVE Americans.
DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com 1 year ago
So are the vast majority of most Mexicans. Mexico is mostly a Native American country that has been a bit acculturated to Spanish culture. Their genes are mostly native, their food is mostly native, their name is native, and they even have a native Virgin Mary called the Virgin of Guadalupe that wears Mexican-style clothes. South Park did a bit on this where the women of South Park were getting “wise” advice from Native Americans, so it was highly regarded and sought out. Towards the end of the episode, the women of South Park found out that the advice was coming fro two Mexicans, so they got upset and disregarded it as crap.
Fun fact: What is now the Southwestern US used to be part of Mexico which is why a lot of places there have Spanish names. It became US territory at the end of the Mexican-American War via the Treaty of Guadalupe.
Fun fact 2: BBQ is Native American. The word comes from the Taino word barabicu.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Guess the illegal immigrants just want to finish the genocide.
codapine@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Send them… Back?
ronflex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think it’s as simple as this: people need an enemy, some person or group they feel is against them. Conservatives get off on having a victim complex, and will straight up make shit up against their opposition just to make themselves look like a helpless little child. “Oh no, what am I gonna do? Me or my granddaughter needs a job and I heard in the news they’re all being taken up by immigrants” meanwhile, the same person is being fed this information from the comfort of their couch.
“The immigrants are taking our jobs” is a sentiment that I have seen at least in my part of the country go down in the last several years and im in a very conservative area. Simple fact is immigrant workers work cheaper and faster than others and they often do better work, people are realizing that.
maplebar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Racism. Next question.
eronth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Short answer is “propaganda”. News agencies against immigration will pretty regularly swap between “illegal immigrants”, “immigrants”, and <insert current target race here> as if they’re practically interchangable to build whatever narrative they want, and also to slowly build an association between ‘people of <insert race>’, ‘being a drain on society’, and ‘being here illegally’ to get the average person to side with them.
gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
There was a 19th century political party that rose in opposition to the arrival of Irish Catholic immigrants. They had the audacity to call themselves the Native American Party. Also, known as the Know Nothings. They’re the gang that Bill the Butcher (Daniel Day Lewis) leads in Gangs of New York.
queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
White conspiracy theorists know they stole this land and are terrified that what goes around, comes around.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
See, back then, there used to be this thing called ‘an education’ that every functioning member of society was expected to have. Basic reasoning skills, the ability to reason and all that - it was meant to separate sapient species from animals and solve problems by means of discourse, debate and, worked well for a while. Then this group started shouting really loud, and the other group thought not to engage in uncivilised behaviour, hoping good sense would prevail and restrain what was largely seen as an anomaly. Only the shouting didn’t end. Instead it turned to screaming, then hollering, and started to drown out reason and logic and everything we had developed as a society up til that point. And it worked, so more people started screaming their basal instincts, until the voice of reason was eventually drowned out, then silenced. And here we are today.
DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The answer to your question is right in your question.
“Logic”
Cold, hard logic no longer applies. Reality is manufactured now. Pointing out a logical fallacy doesn’t change anyone’s mind if that logic doesn’t coincide with their ideology.
Briaaahn@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist. In my experience, if you reply with yeah this is a problem we need to change how it works so people arent forced to do illegal things, they will tell they just dont want them here. Its not about coming in illegally its about non white people coming here. We really need reform. Your friend is on very sad and dangerous path.
TheTwelveYearOld@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist.
It feels like the percentages are the other way around.
Briaaahn@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Eh I feel like its harder to find a racist than it is to find a dummy. Most people just dont understand why they are doing so bad at life so they need someone to blame
zeca@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
the logic is that they think white people deserve the land more. Its plain old racism.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The White House made it so that all inmigrants are criminals by default because they entered the country illegally. Turning innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now everyone is guilty by association.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Well, they aren’t talking about the huge number of “illegals” who are here on expired visas because that would mean a lot of white people would get rounded up in this bullshit.
FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Assuming that all non-white people are illegal immigrants is called “racism”. (Stupid too, but mostly racism)
reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
those people are looking for something to hate and they have been provided it by propaganda and general cesspool that is the groups hateful people gather in. This is also why those kind of people are deadend for society. If they get rid of all immigrants they will find some other group to hate and after getting rid of those they will find another again until there are only 2 people that want to kill eachother, if you excuse the hyperbole.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Your first mistake is assuming logic has anything to do with it.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US
FelizTheCat@thelemmy.club 1 week ago
Not a racist here, but illegals absolutely should go back. As for legal migrants… they can stay. We want them here.