The HELLDIVERS™^©®^³ 2 EULA is a URL

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• Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Bonus rant: the webpage is one of those death row worthy websites that forces you into the localization it determines based on your IP address, rather than using the HTTP header that has been specifically defined for that purpose.

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  • infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The header defines the language, but laws follow political borders, so it makes sense. E.g. which country’s eula would you show for a German speaker Germany, Austria or Switzerland?

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    • RegalPotoo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Language specifiers include country level variants - de-DE, de-AT, de-CH

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    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As far as the content of the EULA, sure, use the laws of the request’s IP address; the rest of the website, however, does not allow you to select a different localization, only the place of origin.

      Furthermore, rarely do I see EULAs that aren’t written in English, and it’s not like the EULA in question is not a generic one translated for my country:

      […] [non] influiscono su eventuali garanzie o garanzie legali dell’utente in qualità di consumatore ai sensi delle leggi locali applicabili (ad esempio, diritti dell’utente in caso di malfunzionamento del Software)

      Non-lawyerly translation:
      […] [do not] affect the legal rights of the user as a consumer accoring to local applicable laws (for example, the rights of the user in case of Software malfunction)

      … which means either someone bothered localizing a generic EULA, or that excerpt is the legal version of “unless it’s illegal idk im not a lawyer”.

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  • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t work for me: I’m French and I live in France, but all my devices are set to en_US.

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    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m Italian and live in Boot, all my devices are set to en_US and the websites that respect Accept-Language all work for me…

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  a good lawyer could probably argue that a user isn’t bound to that eula.

  heck a bad lawyer could probably too.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re bound to the EULA, but the EULA is meaningless because it’s just a URL. They’re definitely not bound by whatever’s at that URL.

    This would be like having someone sign a contract when the contract was just a shopping list. Sure, they’re bound by the “contract”, but the contract doesn’t specify anything they can or can’t do.

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    • AlphaOmega@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And the URL text can be changed at any time

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why does this remind me of The Phantom Tollbooth?

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  • pewpew@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tecnically I agreed to “playstation…”

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  • Lobreeze@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are any users actually bound, ever?

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    • basmatii@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Depends on how paid off the judge is in the lawsuit.

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• Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I bet you could argue in court that the EULA is null and void, because you can’t be reasonably expected to copy that link into a browser to read it

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can not, in fact, copy that link - I had to type it manually. It’s relatively short and human-readable, but still…

    Devil’s advocate: I wouldn’t accuse Sony (or friends) of intentionally making the text unselectable, that’s on the Steam client.

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    • unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Still, Steam probably has some clause in their developer agreement where they say that’s not on them.

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    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If the agreement to play a game needs a whole website, then I say the problem is 100% on the game developer.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The EULA isn’t null and void, but it’s pretty meaningless. Not because you can’t reasonably be expected to copy that link into a browser to read it, but because there’s no indication that you should or even must do that.

    The EULA contains no terms, it doesn’t contain any wording saying what you can or can’t do. It doesn’t say what your rights are. It just contains something that looks like a URL. So, you’re still bound by the terms of the EULA (as much as you’re bound by any EULA) but the EULA doesn’t permit or forbid anything. It’s effectively the same as if it were blank.

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  • IceFoxX@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Modify your host and redirect the URL > 127.0.0.1. software without license:D

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    • kreskin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The site at the end of that URL will set a cookie. How else would such a mechanism be functional at all? A call to steams naviagtionTiming api confirming the last page load and nothing else at all? Hard to imagine a product manager agreeing to such a pointless exchange. So it cant be redirected to an ip, which I assume you mean is running its own webserver on loopback:443. It also implies the mechanism to verify allows cross site scripting, at least to that one other domain.

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• Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes, I accept that that is a URL.

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  • InverseParallax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• MossyFeathers@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is an EULA presented this way considered binding? That seems really exploitable, like making people click hundreds of links to get to the real EULA so they don’t actually read it.

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  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    many “normal” EULA’s aren’t really binding, if you get down to it.

    Also. Relevant XKCD

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    • Breadhax0r@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell that to the people who just got denied the ability to sue over an Uber crash because their daughter agreed to the Uber eats eula

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  • tiramichu@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s pretty ridiculous.

    What happens if you go there and Sony have moved their EULA page and it just 404s? Does that mean there is no EULA at all and you can play without terms? Doubt Sony woild see it that way lol.

    EULA should be displayed within the same context it is accepted.

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    • elvith@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Imagine getting a 404 or 500 error. Then archiving that on archive.org (and screenshot that dialog on steam) and accept the terms. If there’s any problem and they say you violated the EULA, point them to the terms you accepted.

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  • DABDA@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    making people click hundreds of links to get to the real EULA

    This could be turned into a game with some kind of narrative like a Choose-Your-Own-E.U.L.Adventure. Players might try to exploit it though, so there should probably be some terms they have to agree to first.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have read the URL in it’s entirety.

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• foggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Technically, if you’re internet is down or finicky, you could be simply agreeing to a 404 error.

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  • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ultra technically, you’re agreeing to the literal URL. So essentially no terms.

    I’m not a lawyer but given that a large company with adequate resources is doing this, I would interpret it as the terms.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You aren’t internet.

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    • linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You don’t know me! /s

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  • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I reject all of your four hundred and four errors!

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    • foggy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m all about that 301 baby.

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• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “I read the URL. It was not very informative.”

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• AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tangentially related: I really enjoyed the EULA of Baldur’s Gate 3: Image

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• linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Up at somebody at Sony had a Jira ticket to update all the eulas and it listed the URLs for each one and instead of going to the URLs and putting the content in each one of the yolas they just slap the URLs in.

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• leds@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not a lawyer but that does look like a very acceptable URL doesn’t it? I mean has all the normal URL dots and slashes so I’d say accept

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• bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Same thing with Until Dawn. Why do I need a PSN account for a single player game?

  Well, at least Steam quickly issued the refund.

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I fucking hate that. I bough Forza 4 and needed a Microsoft account to play single player. At least I got my money back.

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    • vanontom@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      At least MS account may be slightly more useful (OS, software, school, work). There is literally no reason to have PSN account except exclusives games on PlayStation.

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  • Gestrid@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Steam does actually tell you on the game’s page of the game requires a 3rd party account to play.

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    • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I didn’t see it when I bought it. And honestly, a refund is a better protest than not buying it.

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• Rin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I feel like this is an attempt at EULA roofying. I think it’s a way for the user to not be notified every time they make a change to it. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) steam notifies you every time the EULA changes, but since the license is on their website, they can change it without changing the url and notifying the user

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s no way it isn’t EULA roofying, I just hope Sony doesn’t start murdering American wives too…

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• DJDarren@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My wife just got the exact same pop up while playing God of War: Ragnarok. Weirdly though, she’d been playing it for a week before they sent this.

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s one of the “I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it any further” license changes that are popping up as of late.
    Though, that topic is way more whan “mildly” infuriating.

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• ghurab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That URL is asking to ddos’ed

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• dumbass@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sony: Just send them the link and they can copy that in.

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• vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Easy fix, hit cancel.

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doesn’t refund me, let me play HELLDIVERS^:.|:;^ 2 without accepting nor give me back the time I lost reading the EULA. Not a fix.

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    • VonReposti@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you have played less than 2 hours and it is at most 14 days since you purchased it, Steam will refund you with no questions asked.

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• Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LOLOL

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