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If you want Biden to win vote for Biden. Jesus fucking Christ.
Gaming primaries is a ~potentially valid~ idea but in what world do you think voting for the ~other~ candidate in a winner-takes-all election would help your desired candidate win?
If I live in a red state, would it be better to vote for rfk to take votes away from trump?
Submitted 5 months ago by Pacattack57@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Donebrach@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Etterra@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I mean statistically in a state THAT red your there will never be enough blue votes to overcome the stupidity of the rural class, so it may not matter. Still voting for the off brand inside a 2 party system is a very bad habit to encourage. Just vote for Biden.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Georgia proved that wrong last election. Imagine if put of nowhere Texas voted blue due to all the abortion bans, Republicans would shut themselves.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
America will always be a 2 party system. But a different party could replace one of the existing parties.
frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s a red state. No chance of anything but a Trump win.
Please explain why their “not TRUMP” vote should be given to Biden?
MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Being a red state doesn’t guarantee a Trump win though. In the last election he assumed Georgia would put him over the top because they are historically a red state but they actually ended up swinging over to blue by a small majority.
There was a huge controversy around it because Trump called up people there and told them tamper with the numbers to let him win anyway
The Republican party is counting on the idea that people forget these things quickly lol
Lemming421@lemmy.world 5 months ago
To demonstrate the lack of a “clear mandate”.
Yes, Trump will win if he gets one more vote than Biden, but the more he loses the popular vote by, the more justification people have for protesting.
So off he wins on electoral college votes but loses the popular vote by a landslide, at least it shows what The People are actually thinking.
Holyginz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Because trumpets will always vote Trump. People voting for third party may not be actively supporting Trump, but the 3rd party has zero chance of winning so the only way to keep Trump from winning is to vote for who actually can win against him currently. Which is biden.
frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Please explain why it should be given to anyone else.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
No. What? No! In what world does this make any sense? The only way your vote for RFK could possibly “take away” a vote from Trump, is if you were going to vote for Trump but changed your mind.
Your vote doesn’t affect the vote count of the other candidates…
Icalasari@fedia.io 5 months ago
No, it's better for you to vote for Biden and convince Trumpers to vote for RFK. You want those who vote for Trump to vote for RFK for a spoiler effect
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That is an order, not an explanation.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No. Vote Biden.
xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
No because RFK is a fucking joke - When states are called solid “red” or “blue” they’re usually 60+% in favor of a party. More people in your state are voting for Biden than RFK so if you’re hoping to flip your state vote for the democrat.
Starbuck@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I feel like in most states, non-voters overwhelm the difference between the two candidates. Vote s d find a friend to vote with.
barsquid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Because of our garbage voting system, any vote not going to the top two candidates is the same as scribbling over that section of the ballot. If your goal is to not have Donald win, you want to add as many votes as you can for the other of the top two candidates.
The only way a vote for RFK would help prevent Donald is if it were coming from someone who otherwise certainly would have voted for Donald. Even then the ideal is that they vote for an opponent who has a chance of winning.
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
That’s not true. Voting third party helps get them funding and ballot access. If your vote for president won’t change anything, then vote for the most utility.
barsquid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No third party will ever be viable until FPTP is removed. No funding will change that. Source: basically every single election.
memfree@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Why not vote (D)? The Rs plan on contesting the voting everywhere all the time, and if the last round was any indicator, they will even contest in places the win, so… IF the goal is to take votes from Trump, it would probably be better to show that even in fire red areas, there are still some cool blues.
ingalls@lemmy.today 5 months ago
If you live in a red state and want Trump to not get your EC votes, your most likely path to success is voting for Biden and trying as hard as you can to convince people who don’t usually vote to also do so. Voting for RFK won’t change the tally enough.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 5 months ago
No. Vote for Biden.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 months ago
When people say that, they mean a person who would have voted for trump. Instead voting rfk.
If you were never voting trump, you vote can’t be taken away because it was never voting for trump to begin with
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If you are in a deep red state, it will seem that your vote won’t matter. Because it mostly won’t. However, the way States vote changes over time. The closer the vote totals in a State, the more likely the National Democratic Party is to invest resources into building up and promoting candidates in those States. That sort of thing can shift the needle, if slowly. Keep in mind that California voted Republican from '68 to '88 (source) but shifted over time.
It sucks to vote and feel like you’re just pissing in the wind. But, each vote moves the needle just a bit more and maybe, eventually, things will swing.
TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 5 months ago
“Pissing in the wind” is such a great phrase
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Using that argument, can’t you shift the needle even more by voting for someone more left than Biden?
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No, because your vote won’t encourage investment in flipping the State. I agree that the current duopoly sucks. I was an ardent Bernie supporter and would very much like viable third parties. But, the DNC isn’t going to be looking at those third party votes. They need to believe that the Democrats have a chance of winning before they will invest in a State. If all they see are protest votes, then they won’t see a viable path to them winning and they will continue to ignore the State.
Ya, it sucks, but we really do need to just keep holding our nose and pulling the lever for the Democrat in the general election.
Hikermick@lemmy.world 5 months ago
A vote for RFK is one less vote for Trump. A vote for Biden is twice that
jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Kennedy is only on the ballot in 14 states, so first, it’s unlikely he’ll be on your ballot.
Alaska, California, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Where can you add names to the ballot?
jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Each state has their own process, generally you have to submit enough signatures.
They also have their own deadlines… beyond which signatures are not accepted.
solrize@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You’re not going to affect the outcome so cast whatever vote makes sleep the happiest.
morphballganon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There won’t be any realistic possibility of swaying the R primary.
Best hope we have is to get as many people onboard with Blue No Matter Who in the general.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
swaying the R primary.
Wait. They have those?
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
They do, and they’re more democratic than the democrats, which is how Trump won in 2016 in the first place.
morphballganon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They did 8 years ago, and they don’t have an incumbent again.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I fucking hate that this is where we are. And yet, this is the reality we are in.
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 months ago
maybe in the primaries but this would be like not voting at all.
lordnikon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
the answer you are looking for the opportunity has already passed this year but is useful in the next election.
What you ate looking for is to vote tactically. Vote republican in the in the primary and choose weak republican candidates then vote democratic in the general.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This strategy worked well in 2016!
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 5 months ago
[deleted]ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Republicans can’t vote in Democratic primaries and vice versa.
Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Depends…Which state you are living in. The state I am currently stationed at does not allow write in because it is all comuterrised.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 5 months ago
No, that’s not how it works. It would be the same as not voting at all, since RFK has no chance of winning.
Vote for Biden if you want to stop Trump.
chagall@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It depends on the state. If it’s a purple state or a state where they do a ranked-choice voting, then this is right and a vote for Biden is helpful.
If OP is in a solid red state, he can vote for any alternative candidate and it won’t matter which alt candidate he chooses since Trump will already have it locked up.
The only asterisk is if abortion is on the ballot. That can take a red state (like Kentucky) and turn out enough voters to temporarily make it blue.
Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Every state is a purple state. If all the voters who usually stay home voted, any state could go for Biden.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I was under the impression that the OP wanted to vote tactically, but if that isn’t relevant in their particular state, then they should vote their preference.
Since RJK is an unhinged anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist, I would suggest voting for Biden, since it may move the needle for future elections.
mecfs@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I guarantee you Biden will outperform RFK in every state, including Wyoming and Missippi.
Voting for RFK helps him pass the threshold for federal party funding and effectively gives money to a nut.
aviationeast@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Sounds like you support the 2-party state. Same shit coin, just different sides.
AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 months ago
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MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
How does it feel to always be the smartest person in the room?