I put Copilot on MY taskbar —Microsoft
Windows users don't want copilot on their taskbar
Submitted 8 months ago by scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech to technology@beehaw.org
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deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Exactly. It’s Microsoft ffs. They don’t care what consumers want. The only time they do anything truly beneficial is when the EU makes them.
starman@programming.dev 8 months ago
The only time they do anything truly beneficial is when the EU makes them.
Except when they made programming languages
henfredemars@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Really trying not to be that “use Linux” person, but it’s easy to underestimate the impact this has on user perception. It was communicated to me by these actions that this isn’t my computer. It kept pissing me off, so I went with something that respects me.
I think Microsoft is okay with that because their operating system isn’t a main profit center anymore. It’s cloud stuff.
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
The Win10 machine I got in 2020 will be my last Windows computer now that gaming on Linux is basically solved.
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’m pretty sure Windows is a key part of their “cloud stuff” strategy. You are right that consumers are not the direct focus of Windows, since they are not the direct paying audience, and that shows in the direction Windows is going, but getting consumers to use Windows is a big part of creating corporate buy in for Microsoft cloud services. Corporate environments will shun Microsoft cloud services if employees can’t use Windows, or Windows features run afoul of corporate policies (like blanket LLM bans).
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Over the years, Microsoft has been quietly taking away control from the users.
There’s been a transition from normal settings that you can do whatever you want with, to “yes / remind me later” settings that Microsoft uses to badger you until you submit, to finally just no setting at all - just quiet compulsory data collection and surveillance; with various bits of mysterious software that you can’t uninstall or disable or halt - because you’re not the admin - Microsoft is.
It wasn’t always this way.
Sabata11792@kbin.social 8 months ago
How many times are we going to have to teach you this lesson, old man. Don't fuck with the task bar.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
IT don’t like it. Lock the taskbar. Lock the taskbar.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 months ago
What lesson is that? That MS can do whatever they want and there’s fuck-all you can do about it?
Sabata11792@kbin.social 8 months ago
How did that work for Windows 8?
jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I actually thought Microsoft was doing pretty well 2015-2020, then these past few years some of their decisions have felt really anti user
Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It’s perfect timing too. Right as Linux becomes an extremely strong competitor (feature wise, not market share yet) they decide to enshitify more than they already were and decide to fuck the user. It made me leave about a year ago, and it’s been amazing since.
Salvo@aussie.zone 8 months ago
This is why they are doing it. They fear that Linux/MacOS/ChromeOS is eating their lunch. The problem is that their approach to preventing anyone else from eating their lunch is to make Shit Sandwiches.
moon@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
Year of the Linux desktop!
MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 8 months ago
They were doing ok. But the github thing and the 11 thing and the edging and now this - I can’t wait to buy a machine that can run windows virtualised. I need it for my work apps, but this virt thing has been a dream of mine for a long time. Compartmentalization
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I hated them since Windows 8. Ughh. Was the year of my Linux desktop. I still keep a Win7, WinXP and DOS/Win98 machine around but that’s it for me.
irasponsible@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Microsoft, forever and always, will keep trying to pivot Windows to whatever they think the Next Big Thing is going to be, and then fuck it up every time. They tried to pivot to Mobile (Windows Mobile), then Tablets (8, 8.1), then digital assistants (Win 10 Cortana), then 3D (Win 10 Paint3D, 3D Objects folder) and AR (why a bunch of Win10 got the semitransparent glass aesthetic), now AI. Maybe they got ahead of the curve enough to be the “leader” in “AI” this time, but that doesn’t make it a Good Operating System.
AceTKen@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Hey, wake up! The new Clippy skin just dropped!
perishthethought@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I see you’re trying to embarrass yourself with a reply to a really important email. Want help with that?
rar@discuss.online 8 months ago
Wake up, developer. We have an OS to burn.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 8 months ago
You are breathtaking!
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 8 months ago
I’d probably use it if it had a clippy skin tbh.
AceTKen@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
jarfil@beehaw.org 8 months ago
No it didn’t… but that IS the plan.
I have to say I’m not particularly against it either… AS LONG AS they let me pick alternative AI backbends, like they have been forced to do with web browsers (antitrust attorneys, get ready).
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
i know you hate to hear this, but you wont get rid of these shenanigans unless you move to linux.
macos is an options but it comes with apple shenanigans.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
For the average user this is like a minor annoyance like once a month. Not worth switching OS’s over.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yeah, it’s a minor annoyance… another minor annoyance on top of all the others. And another personal data leak (or siphon) to go with all the others.
This on its own is not worth switching OSs for - but as a piece of a larger picture it’s yet another reason to consider it. And for some people this may be what tips the scales in their evaluation.
cooopsspace@infosec.pub 8 months ago
There’s been tens of dozens of annoyances over the last decade.
Literally not even boiling the frog at this point, the frog is fried.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I mean canonical also tries to monetize its [users](askubuntu.com/…/why-does-the-latest-build-of-ubun…. The problem is more shareholders who want profit than the software being proprietary.
summerof69@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Canonical has nothing to do with Arch Linux, so I don’t see what’s the issue.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
yeah, ive been meaning to switch, but it doesnt really compare in sheer quantity of little crappy things stacked on top of one another.
i think the main thing though, is that i can switch away from ubuntu and still be on gnome debian-based linux. and switching the rare stuff i dont like is as easy as doing it once and never worrying again.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 months ago
I am on Linux. I just posted about what Windows users are saying.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
hahaha, i reckon most people in this nice little corner of the internet are communist programmer atheists using linux and firefox, and are likely some flavour of queer.
penquin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This is like staying in an abusive relationship and then complaining about how abusive their partner is. Get the fuck out of there. Linux works like a charm. OK, now come at me with your bullshit excuses of “Linux bad” “mah games”, “my Adobe” blah blah blah. Staying in this abusive relationship is what makes microshit what it is.
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I want to switch to Linux, but I honestly don’t know how/where to even start or the proper way to even ask.
I asked once on a Linux forum when the whole Cortana debacle happened, and I was called a moron or sent a link to “Linux from scratch”…which was definitely above my technical knowledge at the time. I’ve been scared to post on Linux communities ever since lol
penquin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I’m so sorry this happened to you. We do have some assholes on our forums. But from experience, I can assure you that people on Lemmy are much nicer. Also, Linux is now so very easy to install. All you need is to get your ISO and burn it onto a USB stick then boot from that use from the Bios. Linux even has a “live environment” where you get to try it and see if your hardware works. Don’t worry too much about what “distro” to install for now. They’re all the same except minor differences and how often they get updated. Your only mission is to choose which desktop environment you like. If you like how macos looks like, choose gnome. If you like windows, choose KDE plasma, if you like a windows 7ish look, choose xfce or cinnamon. If you want the easiet way to burn an ISO to a USB, then check out Fedora media writer. It even downloads the iso for you. Just stick your USB into your pc and launch the app and go from there. It does everything for you. It’s available for all OSs. Fedora comes with both KDE and gnome and others. I’d stick with the distros that’s the easiest to install and where everything works out of the box. Fedora and Linux mint are the ones I’d choose from. And also, now YouTube is full of amazing Linux channels like this man Jay Lacroix. He is freaking awesome and has so many videos that will help you. Here is his channel. He even made a video the other day on how to dual boot with windows. If you have any questions at all, please post them in the Linux community here on Lemmy and we will all help you.
Pete90@feddit.de 8 months ago
From what I found, Lemmy is much better in this regard. I’ve gotten lots of helpful answers here, so give it a go! There is also a ton of tutorials on YouTube, I recommend something like this for beginners.
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Asking stuff like that is always a good idea, IMO. It could be the difference between a successful Linux install and a very expensive paperweight.
… Don’t ask me how to install it, though. I’ve only tried Ubuntu as a dual-boot, and that was several years ago.
Pete90@feddit.de 8 months ago
Pete90@feddit.de 8 months ago
Catsrules@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
It is getting better but there are still alot of things you just can’t do on Windows.
Like for my work we have alot of specialized software that is only for Windows. Sure I might be able to get it working under Linux but what do you think will happen if I need get software Support for this software? They will say i am using an unsupported OS and hang up.
And for my home, there is so many anti cheat software that refuses to work on Linux or potentially get you banned.
Linux has come a very long way in the last 5 years but there is still alot of situations the abusive relationship is your only option.
penquin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
For work is understandable. I use nothing but windows at work because work requires it. I don’t give a shit if they used a potato, as long as I get my paycheck. At home, though, sorry my friend, I won’t ever understand no matter how many excuses you give me. If a company doesn’t want to support my os then to fucking bad, I won’t give them my money, and will move on to the ones that do.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Some don’t realize it’s an abusive relationship, because they never saw anything else. Or they are addicted (let’s call it Adobe drug or certain games drug). But these are the minority. Most people simply don’t care.
BTW just for the lolz, in 2010 I predicted that we would 10 years later (in 2020) have probably 30% market share on Linux desktop. Boy I was off.
frog@beehaw.org 8 months ago
My relationship with my Linux installation was disfunctional in its own way. It was that partner that went into a meltdown when presented with any new, slightly complicated situation that was outside of its extremely limited comfort zone. I guess that works for people that have the time and patience to hold its hand and convince it that it can actually do everything. But Linux definitely isn’t suitable for all people in all situations.
drathvedro@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’s like the BDSM dynamic. Linux is sub, Apple is dom, and Microsoft is like a guy who calls himself dom, but is actually just a dick.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Unfortunately Linux does not “work like a charm” and you need a fucking degree in command line to use it because that’s the way Linux developers and users like it.
penquin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This was back in 1765. The world has changed since then. I hardly ever touch the terminal. That’s another bullshit story some people tell you.
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 8 months ago
I asked it how to uninstall itself. It responded with the command line. I copy and pasted (this was probably dangerous, given that LLMs lie, but whatever). Now I no longer have it on my task bar. This is sort of like the open edge to get Firefox deal I’ve always had when using a fresh install.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
There’s a button for it in taskbar settings.
yoz@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Unfortunately windows users don’t have choice.
DdCno1@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Normal users can quickly hide it with a taskbar setting, power users (or those who can Google) can disable the feature entirely through a group policy.
Salvo@aussie.zone 8 months ago
‘Data Detectors’ in MacOS are just as bad. Just like how sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, sometimes a string of numerals is just a string of numerals.
It is not a phone number or a flight number or a ticket number, it is just a string of text that happen to all be numerals.
I asked Apple Support how to disable data detectors in Preview (MacOS’s native PDF and image viewer) so I could highlight some part numbers without MacOS trying to make a FaceTime call and they told me to use Adobe Acrobat instead! The problem is that Acrobat is worse.
SolNine@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Given the reality that Linux simply isn’t viable for some people (including myself), I highly recommend using this tool.
Between this, and manually uninstalling a lot of bloat (or using a specific type of windows install) and a few other tweaks, windows becomes significantly more usable.
Disabling garbage in the task bar, removing Cortana and indexing services, etc etc, it can also add a fairly decent uplift in performance.
I’m sure there is still telemetry being collected but significantly less and less impact on my user experience and day to day performance.
Oh and make sure you turn off auto/feature updates!
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I asked it how to get rid of it.
It decided my aggressive language was not okay and kept ending the “conversation” which only managed to piss me off even more.
If I want to curse at my f$king computer, I’m going to curse at my f$king computer. I paid for the damned thing, and it is a thing, not a person, I can yell at it all I want and not hurt it in any way so this policing of what we can say to it is all the more bizarre to me.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Obedience module not detected, contractual obligations terminated
tlf@feddit.de 8 months ago
Why would they block that? I understand that a company might not want the reverse to happen but this just seems counterproductive
joyjoy@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’s literally just the Edge feature transplanted onto windows. I wouldn’t be surprised if they integrated Edge/WebView2 into Explorer just to do this.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 8 months ago
3rd times the charm, right?
jarfil@beehaw.org 8 months ago
I’ve been under the impression that it’s been the plan all the time: have a “system-wide” AI assistant.
And honestly, I bet other OSs are going to follow suit (Apple, Linux… Android already kind of has it).
Alice@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Have Windows users ever wanted a single thing they added since XP? It seems like every time I upgrade they add some cluttery nonsense I can’t get rid of. I moved to Windows 10 for software compatibility, and I still hate it.
Zacryon@feddit.de 8 months ago
You get AI tools shoved down your throat everywhere nowadays. Whether you want it and it’s useful or not.
xyguy@startrek.website 8 months ago
There’s a new proof of concept malware that when an AI processes it causes arbitrary code execution and spreads itself to everyone on the victims email list.
This requires no input from the user
Yes please put more of this crap into every crevice of the OS.
Xavier@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
This is beautifully familiar.
Am I seeing too many similarities between how Twitter/X was taken over and singlehandedly being irreversibly ruined?
While Windows is stubbornly becoming increasingly user-adversarial (advertising, constant intrusive updates, forced transition from your favorite browser to Microsoft Edge, etc.) and unintuitive (sometimes even counter intuitive) interface design, placement and inaccessible settings.
Well, delighting in schadenfreude, I won’t complain. Microsoft is inadvertently helping me help transition many friends, family and colleagues to various flavors of Linux systems, namely Linux Mint (whichever desktop they prefer) and/or Pop!OS most of the time, but also occasionally Fedora or a particular flavor of Ubuntu.
I never recommend Arch or rolling release systems or immutable systems to first time Linux user so as to preemptively avoid additional layers of complexity, learning curve, downtime and troubleshooting.
stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Yeah let me just go to the super informative and trust worthy windows copilot .news website
Definitely a good source for my news consumption lmao
thingsiplay@beehaw.org 8 months ago
One of the most minimalistic blog posts I have seen in a while (content wise). It has only 2 sentences, a link and a quote. Some YouTube comments have more content…
onlinepersona@programming.dev 8 months ago
I’m surprised Windows users even want windows 🤷
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I logged on to my father’s computer today to fix a few things for him and was immediately overwhelmed with all the Windows bloat. This includes the copilot and… so… much… more… 😖
glouriousgouda@lemmy.myserv.one 8 months ago
Maybe I am just out of touch with the what the majority thinks, but this is honestly surprising. I am very glad to hear it, but yeah, I didn’t expect this reaction. Maybe from us Linux folks who just like reiterate the FOSS sentiments in protest, but not this.
Faydaikin@beehaw.org 8 months ago
I think that, regardless of brand, most users just want the most basic (almost black slate) OS that can run the programs they choose to install. And it’s close to (if not completely) impossible to get if you don’t have a mind for Linux.
Zworf@beehaw.org 8 months ago
It’s a useful feature but it doesn’t need space on my taskbar or a special button on my keyboard. That’s just marketing BS. The same as with the huge search bar, because I can just press the start button and start typing and it does the same.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I’m having a bad day.
Can someone reassure me that idiots using copilot aren’t suddenly going to become more effective and productive than me?
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I wanted to swap to Pop!OS a few months ago, but since i’m an Nvidia user, I am waiting until Wayland plays nice with Nvidias drivers regarding explicit sync and everything gets rolled into Pop!OS.
I always was a Windows user because games, but with ProtonGE the “games” argument started falling flat, and MS is getting more and more intrusive. I do like VRR and Multimonitor setups tho, so X seemed like a poor choice, and Wayland/Nvidia is just not ready yet.
For everyone in the same boat, just keep an eye on this link: Explicit GPU Synchronization for DRI3, Present, and Xwayland
Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Windows power users? My ass. Any Windows power user knows you can just turn this stuff off with group policy. I think what you mean is ‘we need something polarizing to write about hurrr’
Take your shitty garbage journalism back to buzzfeed you fucking hacks.
Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Lol at using windows ngl
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Perfect time to try Linux.
YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Wait, there’s a whole website dedicated to copilot? #ffs
Album@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
A blog of another website’s report on what reddit users wrote.
Nice.
e8d79@feddit.de 8 months ago
Blogspam that links to a ‘news’ website that just regurgitates this reddit thread. Somebody explain to me why is this upvoted so heavily.
Daxtron2@startrek.website 8 months ago
Windows bad, updoots to the left
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Coz noone reads that stuff besides the title.
sadreality@kbin.social 8 months ago
The vibe is right tho lol
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 8 months ago
This is the high quality journalism we want
lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
powered with state-of-the-art AI
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The real journalism is always in the comments. Or how did that go?
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Windows bad, ai bad. Upvote. Thought isn’t a big consideration here.
canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Lemmy sucks at sourcing but rocks at being opinionated.