I’m surprised Windows users even want windows 🤷
Windows users don't want copilot on their taskbar
Submitted 1 month ago by scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech to technology@beehaw.org
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onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 month ago
sirico@feddit.uk 1 month ago
It’s not clippy and if it replaces the pointless error diagnosis system currently running I’m all for it. I’ve had no issues with it as a product in ides just basically advanced spell check.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
i have it on mine and i actually use it. i don’t see what’s the big deal; it’s tucked over in the far bottom right of the screen out of the way and it’s not intrusive.
hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
Screen corners are prime real estate. They have infinite size beyond the screen, allowing you to quickly fling the pointer to them. It’s a big reason things like app menus or the Mac’s Mission Control are accessed by the screen corners.
GlennicusM@beehaw.org 1 month ago
That’s all cool and good. What Microsoft needs to be doing is not adding shit to people’s PCs without their consent and make it easier to remove them (preferably during installation)
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
i mean i had to go in and add copilot to my taskbar manually and i can go into taskbar settings at any time and turn it off.
SolNine@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Given the reality that Linux simply isn’t viable for some people (including myself), I highly recommend using this tool.
Between this, and manually uninstalling a lot of bloat (or using a specific type of windows install) and a few other tweaks, windows becomes significantly more usable.
Disabling garbage in the task bar, removing Cortana and indexing services, etc etc, it can also add a fairly decent uplift in performance.
I’m sure there is still telemetry being collected but significantly less and less impact on my user experience and day to day performance.
Oh and make sure you turn off auto/feature updates!
Alice@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Have Windows users ever wanted a single thing they added since XP? It seems like every time I upgrade they add some cluttery nonsense I can’t get rid of. I moved to Windows 10 for software compatibility, and I still hate it.
Syndic@feddit.de 1 month ago
Have Windows users ever wanted a single thing they added since XP?
The new terminal for example is a rather neat improvement over the old command prompt, especially with the integration of Linux systems. Winget also is rather nice.
Michal@programming.dev 1 month ago
They added a lot of things since XP that I enjoy, like window management, multiple desktops. I don’t know if they were specifically requested by windows users, but contrary to your opinion they are welcome changes. Users don’t always know what they want.
sqgl@beehaw.org 1 month ago
There was a free version of virtual desktops already available.
Alice@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Eh fair, to me that’s just severely outweighed by the bloatware and needing third party apps to customize the UI how I used to like. It feels uglier and bulkier and like they took away a ton of good functions.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I wanted to swap to Pop!OS a few months ago, but since i’m an Nvidia user, I am waiting until Wayland plays nice with Nvidias drivers regarding explicit sync and everything gets rolled into Pop!OS.
I always was a Windows user because games, but with ProtonGE the “games” argument started falling flat, and MS is getting more and more intrusive. I do like VRR and Multimonitor setups tho, so X seemed like a poor choice, and Wayland/Nvidia is just not ready yet.
For everyone in the same boat, just keep an eye on this link: Explicit GPU Synchronization for DRI3, Present, and Xwayland
tarsisurdi@lemmy.eco.br 1 month ago
Looks like we’re going to have to wait until May 15th for NVIDIA’s Beta drivers (555.xx) to add support for the recently merged explicit sync wayland protocol, but at least progress is being made to finally get these issues fixed.
If Wine on wayland were ready we wouldn’t depend on that merge request since the major compositors have already implemented the protocol, but I’m hopeful it won’t take long for XWayland to support it too since all threads were resolved and CI is already passing there.
This article gives a nice overview of the current situation: Explicit Sync Wayland Protocol Merged, Wayland Protocols 1.34 released
SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
God I want to move to Linux, but I had some problems with games unfortunately. They would run fine, but had stutters. And some of them didn’t run, granted it was from an “unlicenced” source.
Still I’m gonna try again, I have to succeed eventually.
mara@pawb.social 1 month ago
Amusingly enough, the steam deck has made a lot of the state of this art get better. Usually if you mount the ISO and then tell Lutris to install it, it’ll work.
Xavier@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
This is beautifully familiar.
Am I seeing too many similarities between how Twitter/X was taken over and singlehandedly being irreversibly ruined?
While Windows is stubbornly becoming increasingly user-adversarial (advertising, constant intrusive updates, forced transition from your favorite browser to Microsoft Edge, etc.) and unintuitive (sometimes even counter intuitive) interface design, placement and inaccessible settings.
Well, delighting in schadenfreude, I won’t complain. Microsoft is inadvertently helping me help transition many friends, family and colleagues to various flavors of Linux systems, namely Linux Mint (whichever desktop they prefer) and/or Pop!OS most of the time, but also occasionally Fedora or a particular flavor of Ubuntu.
I never recommend Arch or rolling release systems or immutable systems to first time Linux user so as to preemptively avoid additional layers of complexity, learning curve, downtime and troubleshooting.
lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I am looking to move to linux, again, due to ALL the amazing work Steam is putting into gaming on linux. Much of my flat game library works on the test laptop, my streaming software has linux native install. The 1 issue holding me back at this point is my OG Vive screens not turning on, tho the laptop monitor shows my VR environment. Once I get over that hurdle my days of windows will be almost over.
SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Ever since Nadella took over it’s been going down to shit progressively
Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
It’s always been a pile of shit
Faydaikin@beehaw.org 1 month ago
I think that, regardless of brand, most users just want the most basic (almost black slate) OS that can run the programs they choose to install. And it’s close to (if not completely) impossible to get if you don’t have a mind for Linux.
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I asked it how to get rid of it.
It decided my aggressive language was not okay and kept ending the “conversation” which only managed to piss me off even more.
If I want to curse at my f$king computer, I’m going to curse at my f$king computer. I paid for the damned thing, and it is a thing, not a person, I can yell at it all I want and not hurt it in any way so this policing of what we can say to it is all the more bizarre to me.
tlf@feddit.de 1 month ago
Why would they block that? I understand that a company might not want the reverse to happen but this just seems counterproductive
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Obedience module not detected, contractual obligations terminated
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
It’s okay, I’ve already switched to Linux
xyguy@startrek.website 1 month ago
There’s a new proof of concept malware that when an AI processes it causes arbitrary code execution and spreads itself to everyone on the victims email list.
This requires no input from the user
Yes please put more of this crap into every crevice of the OS.
Zacryon@feddit.de 1 month ago
You get AI tools shoved down your throat everywhere nowadays. Whether you want it and it’s useful or not.
Salvo@aussie.zone 1 month ago
Please don’t call them AI. They are “Language Learning Models” (or “Spicy Autocorrect” if you want to be cheeky).
Copilot is no more “intelligent” than Clippy from Microsoft Bob in 1995. It just appears to be to people who also have low intelligence.
hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
The distinction is irrelevant and “AI” is what businesses and normal folks call this stuff. Just like the age old arguments that the media should say something like “cyber criminals” instead of “hackers” or “cloud” is just other people’s computers. LLM, GNU/spicy-auto-correct, whatever. To the populous it’s all “AI”.
Zacryon@feddit.de 1 month ago
It’s not just text generating AI, like those transformer models, but also image classificators and generators, time series predictors, and a bunch of other stuff you get.
But yes, even though you seem not to like it, it is AI.
Copilot is no more “intelligent” than Clippy from Microsoft Bob in 1995.
I can’t share that experience.
It just appears to be to people who also have low intelligence.
That’s a bit condescending, don’t you think?
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
People who don’t understand how LLMs work aren’t necessarily of low intelligence.
Don’t get ignorance and intelligence mixed up. People of low intelligence do that
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I logged on to my father’s computer today to fix a few things for him and was immediately overwhelmed with all the Windows bloat. This includes the copilot and… so… much… more… 😖
Mastersmacks@reddthat.com 1 month ago
One trick I found is disabling edge (renaming the install folder) basically disables half the bloat from even running, your copilot button just doesn’t even load in
GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
So weird that so much is integrated into a web browser.
averyminya@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Can you list the filepath?
letsgo@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Actually I quite like it…
Mastersmacks@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Its not the worst, and If I’m honest its not as annoying as the desktop view button, I hated that thing since day 1
Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Windows power users? My ass. Any Windows power user knows you can just turn this stuff off with group policy. I think what you mean is ‘we need something polarizing to write about hurrr’
Take your shitty garbage journalism back to buzzfeed you fucking hacks.
expr@programming.dev 1 month ago
I mean, it still doesn’t change the fact that no one actually wants this shit.
Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Sure. Let’s not rub each other off too hard over it though.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
I’m having a bad day.
Can someone reassure me that idiots using copilot aren’t suddenly going to become more effective and productive than me?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Maybe, but you’ll get the last laugh when they rely on it for everything and it is eventually whisked away behind an enormous monthly fee.
victron@programming.dev 1 month ago
That’s based on OP’s assumption that everyone who uses copilot is an “idiot”. There are people out there actually using such tools in meaningful ways instead of whining because “ai bad”. That people will have the last laugh.
S13Ni@lemmy.studio 1 month ago
They won’t. Maybe they get rudimentary tasks done faster but their lack of understanding of what they are doing is gonna cause problems in anything else.
Synnr@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
So programming is gonna go from a “search, understand basics, change, copy/paste” industry to a “I breathe compiler optimization, pay me money” industry?
Can’t say I’m that upset, it had to happen eventually.
yoz@aussie.zone 1 month ago
Unfortunately windows users don’t have choice.
Salvo@aussie.zone 1 month ago
‘Data Detectors’ in MacOS are just as bad. Just like how sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, sometimes a string of numerals is just a string of numerals.
It is not a phone number or a flight number or a ticket number, it is just a string of text that happen to all be numerals.
I asked Apple Support how to disable data detectors in Preview (MacOS’s native PDF and image viewer) so I could highlight some part numbers without MacOS trying to make a FaceTime call and they told me to use Adobe Acrobat instead! The problem is that Acrobat is worse.
DdCno1@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Normal users can quickly hide it with a taskbar setting, power users (or those who can Google) can disable the feature entirely through a group policy.
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Shouldn’t have to, it should be something to enable or better yet install
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
i know you hate to hear this, but you wont get rid of these shenanigans unless you move to linux.
macos is an options but it comes with apple shenanigans.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
I mean canonical also tries to monetize its [users](askubuntu.com/…/why-does-the-latest-build-of-ubun…. The problem is more shareholders who want profit than the software being proprietary.
summerof69@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Canonical has nothing to do with Arch Linux, so I don’t see what’s the issue.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
yeah, ive been meaning to switch, but it doesnt really compare in sheer quantity of little crappy things stacked on top of one another.
i think the main thing though, is that i can switch away from ubuntu and still be on gnome debian-based linux. and switching the rare stuff i dont like is as easy as doing it once and never worrying again.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
For the average user this is like a minor annoyance like once a month. Not worth switching OS’s over.
cooopsspace@infosec.pub 1 month ago
There’s been tens of dozens of annoyances over the last decade.
Literally not even boiling the frog at this point, the frog is fried.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Yeah, it’s a minor annoyance… another minor annoyance on top of all the others. And another personal data leak (or siphon) to go with all the others.
This on its own is not worth switching OSs for - but as a piece of a larger picture it’s yet another reason to consider it. And for some people this may be what tips the scales in their evaluation.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 month ago
I am on Linux. I just posted about what Windows users are saying.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
hahaha, i reckon most people in this nice little corner of the internet are communist programmer atheists using linux and firefox, and are likely some flavour of queer.
Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Lol at using windows ngl
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
O&O shutup 10.
oo software
sadreality@kbin.social 1 month ago
The fact that owner of the device has to do tbis and it resets after major updates is clown world.
People let this bullshit get way too far.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
you can also delay windows updates that change things.
At least it’s better than Mac. With Mac the user has 0% control over what happens on their system. Apple can just yoink anything you have off your system whenever they want. Software, files, anything.
e8d79@feddit.de 1 month ago
Blogspam that links to a ‘news’ website that just regurgitates this reddit thread. Somebody explain to me why is this upvoted so heavily.
canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Lemmy sucks at sourcing but rocks at being opinionated.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Windows bad, ai bad. Upvote. Thought isn’t a big consideration here.
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 1 month ago
This is the high quality journalism we want
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The real journalism is always in the comments. Or how did that go?
lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
powered with state-of-the-art AI
Daxtron2@startrek.website 1 month ago
Windows bad, updoots to the left
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Coz noone reads that stuff besides the title.
sadreality@kbin.social 1 month ago
The vibe is right tho lol
glouriousgouda@lemmy.myserv.one 1 month ago
Maybe I am just out of touch with the what the majority thinks, but this is honestly surprising. I am very glad to hear it, but yeah, I didn’t expect this reaction. Maybe from us Linux folks who just like reiterate the FOSS sentiments in protest, but not this.
Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 month ago
They pulled all their info from a reddit thread, though. Even though it was a Windows 11 sub, reddit tends to have more polarized opinions than most.
wildncrazyguy@kbin.social 1 month ago
I use it to ask questions I’d otherwise google, I also had it tell me some jokes and also present a list of interview questions for a candidate in our field.
That’s cool and all, but I do one my “show desktop” button back.
soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 1 month ago
I don’t hate copilot but I seldom use it enough to justify having a taskbar button for it
Album@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
A blog of another website’s report on what reddit users wrote.
Nice.
jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I actually thought Microsoft was doing pretty well 2015-2020, then these past few years some of their decisions have felt really anti user
irasponsible@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Microsoft, forever and always, will keep trying to pivot Windows to whatever they think the Next Big Thing is going to be, and then fuck it up every time. They tried to pivot to Mobile (Windows Mobile), then Tablets (8, 8.1), then digital assistants (Win 10 Cortana), then 3D (Win 10 Paint3D, 3D Objects folder) and AR (why a bunch of Win10 got the semitransparent glass aesthetic), now AI. Maybe they got ahead of the curve enough to be the “leader” in “AI” this time, but that doesn’t make it a Good Operating System.
penquin@lemm.ee 1 month ago
This is like staying in an abusive relationship and then complaining about how abusive their partner is. Get the fuck out of there. Linux works like a charm. OK, now come at me with your bullshit excuses of “Linux bad” “mah games”, “my Adobe” blah blah blah. Staying in this abusive relationship is what makes microshit what it is.
doleo@kbin.social 1 month ago
I want the calendar agenda flyout back on my taskbar
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Perfect time to try Linux.
cooljacob204@kbin.social 1 month ago
My problem with it is it's an advertisement for a SASS service.
Zworf@beehaw.org 1 month ago
It’s a useful feature but it doesn’t need space on my taskbar or a special button on my keyboard. That’s just marketing BS. The same as with the huge search bar, because I can just press the start button and start typing and it does the same.
Syndic@feddit.de 1 month ago
As long as it’s a easily toogled off as the search bar is, I don’t mind.
Them getting rid of the ability to have different windows of the same kind with full title bar next to each other IMHO is a much bigger pain.
sqgl@beehaw.org 1 month ago
How you talk so mean?Sad Clippy