Comment on same shit every day, on god

HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• hades@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Except solar. And wind. And hydro.

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  • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Some solar is also boiling water

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    • voracitude@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And some of it is boiling salt!

      Which then boils water, of course.

      But some of it is electrons from photonic impact, no water involved! In the process of energy generation anyway. Statistically and perhaps somewhat ironically, the electrons from that photonic impact may well be used to boil water regardless… Humans just fucking love boiling water.

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      • blazeknave@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Isn’t salt like the main bees knees these days?

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      • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        :D

        Something all the way down something

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    • stormeuh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And zapping birds!

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      • fartographer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film.

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    • Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly.

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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      that’s why IMHO it’s more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types.

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  • xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Expect for solar, it’s all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA

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    • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good ol’ mill.

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    • M137@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that’s fucking cool, IMO.

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    • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff

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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you forgot the electrochemical battery

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And wind.

    wind is just the effects of premade steam

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  • TachyonTele@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hydro also uses steam

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    • hades@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In liquid form?

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      • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Condensed steam.

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      • judgyweevil@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s still the same turbine shit

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  • fullsquare@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    and fuel cells

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    • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And waves/tidal, but now we’re getting into the really niche types.

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      • hades@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i knew i was forgetting something

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  • JakenVeina@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind. Definitely for Hydro, though.

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Power Plant” won’t be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts.

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It’s essentially a natural photovoltaic cell.

        That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables.

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      • fartographer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem.

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      • JATtho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You should look at mitochondria:

        • The power plant of the cell.
        • Runs on a proton-gradient.
        • ATP synthase is essentially a molecular turbine and a generator.
        • oh. a turbine. Damm thing spins ~18000 rpm at medium throttle, pumping out elec- ATP. ATP.

        Oops… it’s turbines all the way down.

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    • dublet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind

      Why not?

      The First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed

      Fossil fuel power plants merely convert chemical energy into another type.

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      • JakenVeina@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Just that “power plant” I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn’t quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as “farms”.

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  • Shanedino@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam.

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    • phlegmy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion

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  • KittyCat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant.

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  • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are these really power plants? I thought they were called field or farm or something else

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• magic_lobster_party@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We’re living in a steampunk world after all

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  • Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m a steampunk girl

    In a steampunk world

    It’s not a big big thing if you steam me

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  • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m going to be this person I guess, but the defining trait of steampunk isn’t the use of steam alone. It’s that energy is transfered by delivering steam to where it’s used, rather than using it in-place to crested electricity. This means that steampunk machines operate off of some kind of kinetic energy, rather than electrical energy.

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    • TachyonTele@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Aaackually…

      That was a really cool explanation, thank you!

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• mossberg590@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Readily available, low boiling point, non corrosive (relatively), and ecologically safe. What more do you want?

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  • MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also a ridiculously high heat capacity. It does make sense.

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  • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Molten salt. Lower pressure, higher efficiency, and I believe less reactive in the event of an uh-oh.

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    • mossberg590@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The molten salt is used as the first step. It then makes steam through a heat exchanger. Molten salt is safe next to the actual tractor because water is not a good coolant in case of emergency.

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      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh, I was just joking around. What my water system is missing is molten salt.

        Although for the sake of preposterousness, I’m going to suggest we use the molten salt to turn a giant water wheel.

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• partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hydro isn’t. Nor is solar photo voltaic, wind, or tidal, but yeah, nearly everything else is. In a combined-cycle natural gas or diesel plant half of the power generated isn’t steam power, but the other half is.

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  • imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hydro is liquid steam

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    • thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      aah, but it didn’t say steam, it said boiling water.

      smaller gas generators based on internal combustion engines don’t boil water though, right?

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      • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats

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      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Electromagnetic induction.

        Basically electric motor in reverse…instead of electricity powering the motor, the motor powers electricity.

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        gas generators based on internal combustion

        they heat air, afaik.

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Molten ice.

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  • fullsquare@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    for ccgt it’s more like 2/3 for gas turbine, 1/3 for steam turbine split, even more uneven for diesel/steam because diesel exhaust is much colder

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• Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I watched a video a while ago about a new approach to fusion which uses induction iirc youtu.be/uRaQLZaaHWo

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