We’re living in a steampunk world after all
Comment on same shit every day, on god
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Every damn power plant is a glorified steam engine
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 11 months ago
Slovene@feddit.nl 11 months ago
I’m a steampunk girl
In a steampunk world
It’s not a big big thing if you steam me
Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I’m going to be this person I guess, but the defining trait of steampunk isn’t the use of steam alone. It’s that energy is transfered by delivering steam to where it’s used, rather than using it in-place to crested electricity. This means that steampunk machines operate off of some kind of kinetic energy, rather than electrical energy.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 11 months ago
Aaackually…
That was a really cool explanation, thank you!
mossberg590@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Readily available, low boiling point, non corrosive (relatively), and ecologically safe. What more do you want?
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also a ridiculously high heat capacity. It does make sense.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Molten salt. Lower pressure, higher efficiency, and I believe less reactive in the event of an uh-oh.
mossberg590@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The molten salt is used as the first step. It then makes steam through a heat exchanger. Molten salt is safe next to the actual tractor because water is not a good coolant in case of emergency.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Oh, I was just joking around. What my water system is missing is molten salt.
Although for the sake of preposterousness, I’m going to suggest we use the molten salt to turn a giant water wheel.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hydro isn’t. Nor is solar photo voltaic, wind, or tidal, but yeah, nearly everything else is. In a combined-cycle natural gas or diesel plant half of the power generated isn’t steam power, but the other half is.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Hydro is liquid steam
thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
aah, but it didn’t say steam, it said boiling water.
smaller gas generators based on internal combustion engines don’t boil water though, right?
baines@lemmy.cafe 11 months ago
boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Electromagnetic induction.
Basically electric motor in reverse…instead of electricity powering the motor, the motor powers electricity.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
gas generators based on internal combustion
they heat air, afaik.
Agent641@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Molten ice.
fullsquare@awful.systems 11 months ago
for ccgt it’s more like 2/3 for gas turbine, 1/3 for steam turbine split, even more uneven for diesel/steam because diesel exhaust is much colder
Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I watched a video a while ago about a new approach to fusion which uses induction iirc youtu.be/uRaQLZaaHWo
hades@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Except solar. And wind. And hydro.
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Some solar is also boiling water
voracitude@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And some of it is boiling salt!
Which then boils water, of course.
But some of it is electrons from photonic impact, no water involved! In the process of energy generation anyway. Statistically and perhaps somewhat ironically, the electrons from that photonic impact may well be used to boil water regardless… Humans just fucking love boiling water.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Isn’t salt like the main bees knees these days?
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
:D
Something all the way down something
stormeuh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And zapping birds!
fartographer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film.
Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
that’s why IMHO it’s more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Expect for solar, it’s all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 11 months ago
Good ol’ mill.
M137@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that’s fucking cool, IMO.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 11 months ago
Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
you forgot the electrochemical battery
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
wind is just the effects of premade steam
TachyonTele@piefed.social 11 months ago
Hydro also uses steam
hades@feddit.uk 11 months ago
In liquid form?
someguy3@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Condensed steam.
judgyweevil@feddit.it 11 months ago
It’s still the same turbine shit
fullsquare@awful.systems 11 months ago
and fuel cells
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And waves/tidal, but now we’re getting into the really niche types.
hades@feddit.uk 11 months ago
i knew i was forgetting something
JakenVeina@midwest.social 11 months ago
I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind. Definitely for Hydro, though.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
“Power Plant” won’t be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It’s essentially a natural photovoltaic cell.
That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables.
fartographer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem.
JATtho@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You should look at mitochondria:
Oops… it’s turbines all the way down.
dublet@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why not?
The First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed
Fossil fuel power plants merely convert chemical energy into another type.
JakenVeina@midwest.social 11 months ago
Just that “power plant” I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn’t quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as “farms”.
Shanedino@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam.
phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion
KittyCat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant.
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Are these really power plants? I thought they were called field or farm or something else