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Zozano@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Always amazing when people don’t get satire.
My Dad actually thought Starship Troopers was pro-military.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 1 week ago
So, I have read and been told this many times before. Some times I will rewatch the movie to try and see that narrative. And I’ll admit, I’m and idiot. But I can’t get past the idea of: Bugs are just icky, no matter the size. Remove at all costs.
Zozano@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Except they aren’t bugs in your home, they’re isolated to their own planet already.
Plus, consider the justification for the attack. The bugs attacked Earth first.
REALLY?
Consider the amount of maths and physics knowledge for us to get to our own moon. We have to calculate the trajectory of our own moon, the spin of the Earth, gravity, etc.
Now, in the movie, apparently the bugs bombed Earth.
FUCKING HOW. They exist outside our solar system. The level of maths for this is impossible without computers.
Not only have you got all the complications we had for a celestial body which was closest to us, but our sun has its own orbit within the milky way.
The narrative that the bugs attacked Earth first was a false flag. It was almost certainly just a meteor which couldn’t be stopped, which gave someone a reason to keep the perpetual motion machine of Fascism alive.
Without a common enemy, Fascism turns inwards.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
The film is so on the nose, that in the end they come out with actual nazi uniforms and people still didn’t get it.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 week ago
It’s very likely that the Earth military lobbed it toward earth as a pretext for war. The big planet was light years away (across the galaxy? I forget) and there was propaganda extolling the orbital defenses of Earth right before the hit. They had an orbital ring station around the Moon! No way they could miss a rock that big.
So_zetta_slowpoke@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Lol alright, so earlier in the movie, Carmen is learning to fly the spaceship and has an accident where the run into the asteroid, which changes its trajectory and sends it to Earth, where it hits Buenos Aires. Carmen caused the whole thing 🤣
Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Okay, sure. But how is the bugs attacking first unlikely, when they are able to calculate that kind of interstellar trajectory to colonize all the other planets in their empire? They shoot spores into space and hit other planets to colonize.
Why could the bugs not have shot a colonizing spore at earth, or another human controlled planet, and that was perceived as an attack? The bugs empire rivaled the human empire after all.
Or am I missing something obvious here?
lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
The most satire parts are not about fighting the bugs. The “only a dead … is a good …” is a classic fascist trope, but it’s the parts about disregard of human life and health and the propaganda in the movie that really mock fascism.
Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Disregard to human life and health isn’t limited to a fascist government though. As for the propaganda, I always took that at making fun of the military and their over the top commercials and other media.
I never compared it to the actual government.
Johanno@feddit.org 6 days ago
I watched it way back when I was young and didn’t get any of the satire. I watched in my 20s and I asked myself:
You have technology to move through space and shit, they could just rain bombs from orbit or throw asteroids onto the planet. But no! The best way to fight is to use masses of underquipped soldiers that fight the horrors of bugs.
The war seems secondary, killing soldiers looks like the first priority in these movies.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I think the while point was to hunt for the theorized brain bug which was safe underground.
Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Let’s just say that the government does just rain bombs from orbit. They are humans, there are gonna be dudes that want to get their feet on the ground to start shooting things. Regardless of the type of government, humans are creatures of destruction. People are gonna want to shoot an alien bug for a multitude of reasons. Glory, honor, to prove themselves, fascist government or not, people will be lining up around the block to sign up for an interstellar opportunity to be a ‘badass’.
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
I will never understand how they made the entire movie and then had any possible thought people would understand their perspective. The problem is they got lost in the utopia part of the fascist utopia. Sure their culture looks weird from our perspective and has a fascist paint job., but is it really that bad of a society to live in as depicted? Everyone is depicted as generally agreeing with society and it’s norms, society seems to filter people into the roles that actually let them reach the best of their own abilities and that of the culture. No semblance or poverty or even elitism – except against bugs which are mindless as far as the audience knows. The closest we get to seeing that the bugs might be sentient is a psychic dude telling us that a prisoner of war is feeling fear while it is bound, defeated, and surrounded by its enemies.
Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The bugs colonized entire planets and has an empire that rivals the humans. That is far from being a mindless, non-sentient creature. If anything that screams they are more intelligent than humans because the bugs just shoot massive spores into space to accomplish all that.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The most blatant satire part of the movie (imo) is when the recruiter with the prosthetic arm says “the mobile infantry made me the man I am today” and scoots his chair back revealing both legs missing.
Also near the end when NPH shows up in what is almost a direct copy of an SS uniform. It’s a bit on the nose.
The brilliance of the movie is you follow the main characters who are 100% indoctrinated into this shit. There’s really no voice of reason. Nothing (aside from the whole nazi uniform thing) really screams fash if you’re not paying attention.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Silkworms are bugs
Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You won’t find me hanging out with them, I’m afraid.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Black Mirror: Men Against Fire S03E05 will help you figure it out
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Well, the book is… The movie tho, yeah Paul Verhoeven has opinions about fascists. 😂
His commentary on that film is truly one of the better commentary tracks I’ve ever listened to.
Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
The book is pro military, the movie is a very intentional satire.
psmgx@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The book is super pro military; arguably it’s a political science treatise arguing about the nature of the monopoly of violence and, given that concept, how society inevitably flows. He also throws a few digs in there at communism.
He then dedicates the rest of the book to figuring out the training and doctrinal approaches of literal space marines.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The book was
echodot@feddit.uk 1 week ago
I know the book was but this older people who think that starship troopers is profascism, are also a sort of people that will definitely not be well read.
B312@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I can interpret something as pro facist without being a facist. They are not mutually exclusive things
echodot@feddit.uk 1 week ago
It’s amazing the number of people who do.
He’s got Neil Patrick Harris in it how on Earth can it possibly be pro military?
Godort@lemm.ee 1 week ago
How?
That movie has the subtlety of a brick to the head
Artyom@lemm.ee 1 week ago
So did The Boys and Helldiver’s 2, and yet a substantial population of conservatives took it literally. Now The Boys has to be so blatant, it’s not as funny anymore.
Some people are just idiots, just the way it is.
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Lmao about the boys. I started watching that and definitely in the first season it wasn’t even subtle, by the 4th season, which apparently is when conservatives got mad (?), it was beating you into submission with the messaging. Like, subtlety was not even in the lexicon, more like bulldozing you.
Klear@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I stopped watching after season 2 because I couldn’t stand the lack of subtlety - despite loving the original comic which is… not subtle at all.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Maybe if they paid more attention in English (and history) class, they wouldn’t miss subtext the size of a tractor trailer running into them. But conservatives and STEM bros almost always seem to be on the same page with that shit “No one needs English classes, it’s always just like ‘hur the curtains are blue’ bro.”
Contramuffin@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Science here - a lot of my fellow scientists like the humanities and definitely are not missing the point. At least in the pure sciences, we tend to encourage all education, regardless of field.
Just be aware that STEM encompasses way more people than you’re specifically referring to
licheas@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Because the dad read the book, and hasn’t seen the movie.
The book definitely is pro-military.
Zozano@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Actually, it was the movie lol.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
They see the part that gives them a confirmation bias and willfully ignore the rest of the message.
As the saying goes: Spread the facts on the floor like a fan, and throw away the ones that make you feel bad.
qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 1 week ago
I’d like to know more.
In all seriousness though, I thought it had some aspects of good, which was odd given that it’s satirical commentary on fascism. For instance, gender didn’t really matter and women were promoted, and while the shower scene was meant to show how fascism castrates the masses (or something like that, iirc), I thought it was a relatively wholesome scene, all things considered.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Potentially some leakage from Heinlein’s later works?
frezik@midwest.social 6 days ago
Sorta, not really.
The book is notable for its almost complete lack of sex on any level. The protagonist goes on a date with a woman at one point. That’s about it. A shower scene where everyone is naked but nobody is horny would fit right in.
Stranger in a Strange Land, OTOH, goes completely the other way. I was reading that book on vacation, and a friend picked it up and peeked at a page about halfway through. The last half of that book is basically pornography, so . . .
Zozano@aussie.zone 1 week ago
A brick to the head…
Good idea.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Put it in a sock first.
jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
I like to use bars of soap personally.
NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I already filled the sock with quarters.
I like the noise when it hits.
Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Half of America has the literacy of a 5-6th grader. They can understand the words, but not the "deep"er meaning of things. If it’s not explicitly spelled out by name, they won’t connect the dots.
If you’ll recall, their defense of the quid pro quo during the Ukraine impeachment was that he never used the phrase quid pro quo, so he could have done that.
They’re that stupid