They really hate artists

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• squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “AI gives wealth access to skill while denying skill access to wealth.”

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  • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    this is wishful thinking on wealth’s part

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    • kewjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      when you have no actual skills outside of gaslighting they end up seeing this as the same they see an expert. they can’t validate either way correctness and correctness doesn’t really matter to them as long as they make money.

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  • ell1e@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    makes sense. damn AI…

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• WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think this is just another side of the temporarily embarrassed-millionaire, anti-worker, techno-fascist-narcissist, pseudo-libertarian, culture-war propaganda that capitalism has been waging since the 1970’s.

  All indoctrinated chudds show the exact same distain for all workers, in all scenarios… unless it personally affects them… at which point it’s the worst thing in the world. Half of them are so brainwashed they continue bootlicking the oligarchs that are directly destroying their lives, families, and communities.

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  • pdxfed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s some poor slob with $15k on Nvidia stock praying they get rich without any skill for their shilling.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s the whole point of the stock market. To make us feel like equals, like we can join their team.

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• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A regular reminder that the AI companies are paying for the majority of the cost of compute, selling tokens way on the cheap.

  And they have no idea how to get the production cost down.

  This bubble is entirely based on (improbable) futures, and / or the current billionaire agenda:
  ~ Automating everything possible, so that they can abandon the obsolete workforce
  ~ Controlling huge swarms of killer robots
  ~ Processing surveillance data to root out dissidents and crimethink

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  • LePoisson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For sure this AI bubble is extra fucky wucky. Like, I wish I had the capital (I’m a proletariat sooo I don’t) to burn on shorting some of these companies. Not that I really know how to do it properly and it’s volatile and unless you wanna end up owing lots of money you can’t cover you have to start with a lot since you’re making very hard to foresee bets and some will not pan out.

    Like, at some point this bubble will explode, nothing is really propping it up. There’s not enough actual demand, the artificial demand there is won’t stay forever and even the small amount of real demand isn’t going to be there when companies start paying the actual cost for these services instead of it being subsidized. Almost all the money being poured into this “AI” (ie: the fancied up LLMs who’s capabilities the tech bros keep on lying about) is going in a circle - it’s actually madness.

    It’s absolutely a house of cards, but betting on a collective realization that’s going to implode a big part of our economy is hard because people desperately want to believe the illusion. Sooner or later reality will come knocking and the harsh truth will come to be.

    I do think it’s going to make 2008 look like a joke but I guess we’re going to have to crash the stock market like it’s 1929 before our government decides to (once again) reign in Wall Street and this bullshit. It’s like we all lost our collective minds or something, as if there wasn’t a reason for the glass-steagull act to exist. Hell look at what’s happening with our food supply as we’ve been getting the FDA and USDA and EPA inspectors and relaxing regulations and constantly looking the other way when these big agri businesses literally shit up our food.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      when 2008 happened, the houses were still worth something the next yeah.

      no one’s gonna buy up all the datacenters openai and anthropic are circle-jerking from nvidia and the tech-lemmings driving the ship at meta, goog, amazon etc.

      and there’s more than a trillion fucking dollaroos invested already. lol fuuuuuck

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  • gdog05@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m asking everyone, please don’t use compute as a noun. That’s the language of the wannabe enslavers.

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    • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think that ship has saled, much the way we use google as a verb for websearch even though Google Search has long lost the honor of being genericized.

      LLM generative processing as a service (id est, selling compute) is a failing business model at least for common private use cases. The only way the buildout makes sense is to sell it to governments at gouging prices. And we’re in a sorry state when the economy is propped up on government contracts in the service of authoritarian regimes.

      It’d be a bit better if compute was being used to facilitate libraries and freight, but instead its surveillance and armies.

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    • Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it would do us a lot of good as a society if we relaxed a bit on all the censorship.

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• lath@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Jealousy and envy in full display. They wish they had that kind of talent.

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• redditStinksSuperBad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m a 25yr software engineer. I use the latest claude everyday. It’s garbage and slings slop 95% of the time and requires non stop correction in nearly everything it does.

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  • GardenGeek@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    *correction by someone qualified to actually know shit about the matter.

    This is where things will get interesting in the near future.

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  • fake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I genuinely don’t know how vibe coders manage to get anything to actually work.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I suspect the ones who are, were already programmers.

      I’ve had some success taking our main windows app and converting it to a server with a Flutter front end.

      Mostly stuff that I already knew how to do but couldn’t be arsed because it’s a lot of work to keep it all in sync. Break it down into actual tasks and Santa Claude stands half a chance. I’ve never written a line of Dart.

      I’m also absolutely certain there’s a limit to how far this approach will get me. The old the first half of the work takes 90% of the time. The second half also takes 90% of the time.

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    • LePoisson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t call myself a vibe coder (or a coder at all I’m pretty rusty and wasn’t killer to start) but I’ve used some Gemini and copilot to help with some VBA scripting. You just gotta walk it in and keep on iterating and telling it what was messed up and give it the error.

      It usually will get close or even right eventually but also I ended up just bring up some official documentation to sort some things out because the LLM believed its own bullshit so hard I couldn’t get it to stop hallucinating syntax even when I told it over and over it was wrong.

      Which is hard to tell at first glance when it looks right but it is just slightly off or maybe it’s trying to use a non existent “built in” function. I definitely learned some valuable lessons about AI in those small exercises though.

      I would say that like anything else it’s a tool, and honestly LLM for writing some boilerplate code or getting something down that’s close (or even pseudo code) is useful. Would never ever trust it on its own and it may not even speed up your workflow but it can be helpful if you’re unsure what to do or how to approach something.

      What you can never do is trust the output from the start. You can never just hand your brain off to the machine because it doesn’t actually know anything. I do wonder if the “efficiency” gain is even actually happening or if that’s mostly just a collective delusion fueled by the corpo overlords. At any rate anyone doing actual vibe coding isn’t going to get shit done because the code simply won’t work or will break in fun unexpected and unknown ways.

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  • replicat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just stop wasting time/money on Claude. If you already know what your doing use a super cheap model like DeepSeek Flash with thinking off to generate the code you want.

    There is absolutely no reason (IMO) that a skilled SWE should ever need a model like Opus.

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• red_tomato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some people can’t cope with that other people have talents

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  • LemmyPlaceDN@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Talent = affinity + trained skill + hard work

    Usually.

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They believe they’re better than everyone else because they’re wealthy. But if someone can do things they can’t, that ego doesn’t like it much. Removing that uncomfortable feeling in a high priority for the rich.

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• rozodru@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it’s always funny reading posts by “AI advocates” like this because none of them actually work for any AI companies. they’re just linkedin fanboys of it. wannabe middle managers.

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  • ThisUsernameKillsFascists@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The irony, of course, being that middle management is a category of job much better suited to being replaced by AI than actual creative productivity is

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  • fake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’re in for a rude awakening when the price gets jacked up to the point none of them can afford it.

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• nullspace@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Chuds love AI because they think every artist is a blue-haired liberal. The thought of those liberals losing their jobs brings great joy to the chud.

  Chuds vote time and again against their own interests. They do so to “own the libs,” personal consequences be damned. As long as a liberal is perceived as hurt, the chud will support AI.

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  • VitoRobles@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There was a leopardsatemyface town where the touring politician made fun of poor people because they couldn’t buy food and the poor conservative town LAUGHED at themselves and then lost a hospital and supermarket.

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    • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Truly the broken cycle meme

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• Abyssian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They seem to hate anyone who does anything that requires an education, and love AI making those people homeless and poor and letting any idiot replicate what they did even badly, because they’ve felt they were looked down on for not having any education.

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Art just requires practice, which is even more rudimentary than education.

    Prompt engineering and sifting through slop can appear like practice to anyone who doesn’t. This, I find, is the source of the delusion and hate.

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    • jve@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not many people are figuring out things like color theory or perspective from practice alone.

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    • Abyssian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think art requires practice alone for all people. I spent a long time trying and still never manage to make a stick figure where all the lines connect where they should.

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    • ThisUsernameKillsFascists@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Realism takes practice. Art requires insight

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  • Shindo66@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Korean animation studio. Everybody work. Everybody work. We are slaves. Oh no! Tom Cruise!”

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    • Abyssian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Who’s drive car? Bear drive car!”

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They hate them cuz they ain’t them.

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• ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And the most annoying part is, even Nvidia isn’t even saying it’ll do that.
  All of the AI based character animation stuff has been about getting characters to move realistically in dynamic cases that your artists couldn’t and weren’t even trying to account for.

  People have been using machine learning for this for a long time. It’s a great advancement, but the ability to make a character crab walk over a bridge doesn’t help you know what they should be doing, what it looks like, that it’s conveying things correctly, or the actual hard parts of character animation.

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• karashta@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So much envy for our creativity. Do the work like the rest of us. I started getting trained at age 5 in creativity. I honed that training through more and more use during my life. I didn’t just wake up one morning seeing outside and around the box.

  They think it’s just 100% born in us when that’s only a portion.

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Where are all the promised benefits they all said would happen to the common person?

  Guess they gave up on that and now it’s “Fuck you, fuck your jobs, sucks to be you, losers!”

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• whereitsat@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  maybe they don’t fully understand the role that artists play in rendering your daily life.

  do you feel unease and sadness every single time you pass a fast food restaurant that looks the same as the others? i sure do.

  the people who designed the new ones are artists but they work for satan and have no morals. they may as well be AI.

  do you ever watch commercials on your streaming box and become quickly annoyed but then take in a commerical from the 80s and vibe to it? maybe not, but if you did, you’d notice the juicy fruity jingle was catchy as fuck and the aesthetics of the commercial were alluring. the modern ones? not so much. artists create all that.

  the person in the tweet is too dim to notice these things. maybe they’ll never notice it. maybe they do notice it and they don’t care because they’re disgusting examples of humanity…and evil.

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As a former graphic department manager, artists can be difficult to work with… for non-artists.

  I got to see how frustrated the boss/owner got dealing with us. We’re not a neat, blackbox they can shove instructions into and get out a perfectly formed product on the first round--which is what they think AI will give them soon. If they think AI will be better at dealing with client demands, I’ll be happy to watch them fail with that.

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  • Monument@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Honestly, I don’t even think it’s an artist vs non-artist thing.

    It’s a communication thing, and specifically it hinges on leading with curiosity, trusting the people, and clearly defining expectations (or, failing that, setting boundaries).

    I work in a different role now, but a large part of what I do is similar: interfacing between people of differing skill sets, expectations, and needs.
    I’ve found that if I don’t get in front of people, they tend to assume the other party is hard to work with or maybe even dumb, rather than merely approaching from their own frame of reference. It gets easier once people realize that no one is an idiot, and we’re all just trying to check different boxes, often without a clear idea of the others considerations.

    Except for that one colleague. Woof. Do they got blackmail on leadership or something? How do they manage to even feed themselves every day?

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    • bilb@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree with you. Artists aren’t a neat, blackbox they can shove instructions into and get out a perfectly formed product on the first round, but neither is anybody else.

      That said, artists aren’t the only group of workers they hope to replace with AI.

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  • eyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Definitely agree, however if the client then ends up depending on AI for their plans and decisions you may end up with these models marking their own homework so to speak. You’ll get a totally unimaginative and generic product out the other end, if they manage to make a product at all that is

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• TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  These fucks get put up against the wall alongside their techbro oligarch heroes when the time comes.

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• StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean i am envious of people who have skill and tallent to draw/create pretty things and i really wish I had tallent to do the same. All i can make are things that look like wonky stickpeople and turds. But thats why i would prefer to pay professionals if i was in the business of relying on created art.

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  • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do you do commissions? I’d like an original, signed wonky stickpeople and turds for my office.

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    • Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’ll need to print it yourself. Image

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  • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You don’t need talent, most artists get good from years and years of practise. You could nurture that skill.

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• AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Here is this very extreme post that was shown to me by the algorithm that machine learned that outrage is best to increase engagement and sell ads and increase profit, AND IT CLEARLY SHOWS HOW ALL THESE APOSTATES ARE EVIL AND NEED TO BE CRUCIFIED!”

  Also that post in spanish might have been meant as a honest warning, or jokingly, or sarcastic, or just as a statement of fact.

  I’ve worked with animation artists before. Character animation is a PITA. And they will welcome a tool that you could just describe the visual gag you want to animate instead of animating keyframe by keyframe. Instead of “animators” they will become “motion choreographers” using AI tools to be more productive and more free in their creative expression.

  And AI animation will allow you to have dynamic animations in game that react to the player. Something that isn’t even possible to hand animate.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It would be great if the people managing the AI rollout thought of AI that way, instead of seeing it ONLY as tool to crush and control and manipulate the masses.

    A gun can be used to hunt for food, or it can be used to murder an entire civilization. They intend to use AI the second way.

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    • AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a totally legitimate argument against capitalism I agree with and which should be the bases of activism and demands for regulation. E.g. China passed a law that jobs may not be eliminated through AI.

      But OP is yet another post inciting and misdirecting hate in unproductive ways. The vitriol and misinformation and non-sequiturs about AI are hampering sensible discussing about AI. And it’s being injected into every sub. Like a social contagion.

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• brianary@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s the ultimate separation of the art from the artist!

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• WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Jealous, ungrateful losers!

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• RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The same could be said about all the technologies that artists celebrated that put technicians out of a job.

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  • morto@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which ones?

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    • TVA@thebrainbin.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Also, even if there is a tech that artists like, there's a big fucking difference between someone saying "Holy shit! This technology makes it so I can do this thing!" and "You're out of a job fucker! Die hungry on the streets!"

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• outerspace@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s only on Twitter, where people are getting paid for the most outrageous posts, the more the better

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