How I wish for the day English decides to upend everything and go phonetic with a truncated alphabet and word modernization.
We’d then go to World Standard Time. It’s 13:00 everywhere, not just in specific time zones. We then go to a Year 12023 Human Era International Fixed calendar.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Do y’all actually pronounce dragon with a j sound? How???
force@lemmy.world 11 months ago
American English phonology, GenAm /r/ is usually pronounced retracted, post-alveolar/pre-palatal (usually bunched/molar), so it causes alveolar consonants in the same cluster to retract/palatalize, usually into a post-alveolar affricate ([d͡ʒ] – the “j” sound for voiced stop /d/, [t͡ʃ] – the “ch” sound for voiceless stop /t/, [ʃ] – the “sh” sound for voiceless fricative /s/), [. The term would be assimilation (of place of articulation).
“Dragon” /dræ.gən/ -> [dɹ̠ᶹæ.ɡɪ̈n] -> [d̠ʒɹ̠æ.ɡ(ɪ̈)n]
You can see the same thing with words like “tree” /tri/ -> [t̠ʃɹ̠i], “Sri Lanka” /sri lɑŋ.kə/ -> [ʃɹ̠i lɑŋ.kə], or even “street” /strit/ -> [ʃt̠ɹ̠it]
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Okay, I think I get it. When I say “dr-” the r is made with the tip of my tongue just behind my front teeth, but when I say “jr-” (like in badger), the r is made with the middle of my tounge in the middle of my mouth. Neat!
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I love seeing linguists on Lemmy. Wish we had a bigger community.
To put it in layman’s terms just focus on explaining that J is often [d͡ʒ] which already has a D sound in it.
dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Hey there now. We aint knowing any of your elvish. Best keep that to yourself, ya understand?
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
you’ve written tree as “tshree” there.
bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Gragon
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Don’t start the gif/jif wars again.
Sagifurius@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m thinking it’s a regional thing and this guy is from my general region, it’s totally a thing out here. The letter “T” is really only useful on paper, people use “D” when they speak for the most part for “T” (except for T’s followed by an “h”), and “J” is any “D” when followed by an “r”
Kase@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Haha same here. And to add onto the Luthor bit, everyone I know pronounces “-or” and “-er” words as “-ir”. Pretty much everybody agrees it sounds stupid, but nobody has the power to stop it.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I sort of roll the bounce of the “d” in “j” into the r
isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Pretend like you’re french: j’ragon. It’s the second G in garage or however you would say au jou sauce.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 months ago
In most Americans accents I think “Dragon” and “Jragon” would be indistinguishable.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 11 months ago
French would be like /ʒragon/ and English would be /dʒragon/
PilferJynx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Jereggin for sure
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I didn’t think so either till I pronounced it out loud. WTF is going on?