How I wish for the day English decides to upend everything and go phonetic with a truncated alphabet and word modernization.
We’d then go to World Standard Time. It’s 13:00 everywhere, not just in specific time zones. We then go to a Year 12023 Human Era International Fixed calendar.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Do y’all actually pronounce dragon with a j sound? How???
force@lemmy.world 1 year ago
American English phonology, GenAm /r/ is usually pronounced retracted, post-alveolar/pre-palatal (usually bunched/molar), so it causes alveolar consonants in the same cluster to retract/palatalize, usually into a post-alveolar affricate ([d͡ʒ] – the “j” sound for voiced stop /d/, [t͡ʃ] – the “ch” sound for voiceless stop /t/, [ʃ] – the “sh” sound for voiceless fricative /s/), [. The term would be assimilation (of place of articulation).
“Dragon” /dræ.gən/ -> [dɹ̠ᶹæ.ɡɪ̈n] -> [d̠ʒɹ̠æ.ɡ(ɪ̈)n]
You can see the same thing with words like “tree” /tri/ -> [t̠ʃɹ̠i], “Sri Lanka” /sri lɑŋ.kə/ -> [ʃɹ̠i lɑŋ.kə], or even “street” /strit/ -> [ʃt̠ɹ̠it]
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Okay, I think I get it. When I say “dr-” the r is made with the tip of my tongue just behind my front teeth, but when I say “jr-” (like in badger), the r is made with the middle of my tounge in the middle of my mouth. Neat!
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I love seeing linguists on Lemmy. Wish we had a bigger community.
To put it in layman’s terms just focus on explaining that J is often [d͡ʒ] which already has a D sound in it.
dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Hey there now. We aint knowing any of your elvish. Best keep that to yourself, ya understand?
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
you’ve written tree as “tshree” there.
bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Gragon
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Don’t start the gif/jif wars again.
Sagifurius@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m thinking it’s a regional thing and this guy is from my general region, it’s totally a thing out here. The letter “T” is really only useful on paper, people use “D” when they speak for the most part for “T” (except for T’s followed by an “h”), and “J” is any “D” when followed by an “r”
Kase@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Haha same here. And to add onto the Luthor bit, everyone I know pronounces “-or” and “-er” words as “-ir”. Pretty much everybody agrees it sounds stupid, but nobody has the power to stop it.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I sort of roll the bounce of the “d” in “j” into the r
isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Pretend like you’re french: j’ragon. It’s the second G in garage or however you would say au jou sauce.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
In most Americans accents I think “Dragon” and “Jragon” would be indistinguishable.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 year ago
French would be like /ʒragon/ and English would be /dʒragon/
PilferJynx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Jereggin for sure
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I didn’t think so either till I pronounced it out loud. WTF is going on?