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I know it’s just a shitpost but it’s so fucking stupid.
It’s comparing a home to a country. Like arguing “If you’re so against borders, I’ll just come into your house at any time.” No, fuckface, there’s a difference between personal space and (what should be) public land.
Hear that, Tuvalu?
Just redraw your borders and quit bitching about sea levels
The modern notion of nation States, with clearly defined borders, with mechanisms of violence to enforce those borders, lb arose around the 17th century.
Wolves don’t build border walls, have customs checkpoints, or leave refugees to drown in the Mediterranean.
This isn’t a “science meme”, it’s a falacious attempt to cloak reactionary rhetoric in the garb of scientific rigor.
Might as well show plant tissues with defined cell walls and say “borders are natural”.
Animals are more civilised than Israelis it seems
Not a hard bar to clear.
Borders are trees covered in pee.
Sigh Unzip. If that’s what I’ve got to do to carve out some space, then so be it!
Maintaining healthy trees with urine covering with federal employee benefits and a government pension sounds like a dream job.
No doubt they’d find a way to make it a bureaucratic nightmare of a job. But I’m down.
“Territoriality” implies defense of an area, and many researchers create maps that help graphically illustrate the range, or territory, of a given wolf pack.
However, the area defended is not as clearly defined as a map may indicate. Territory shifts can occur seasonally or year to year.
Also notable is that neighboring territories may overlap. However, while the same area may be used by several packs, use will not occur at the same time.
The top quote is refering to borders as a state construction. Nobody denies the existence of boundaries between things in general
those wolves don’t cross borders those because they already have what they need, and avoid upsetting their neighbors. not because the other wolf built a fance and has an army that will kill him, and is forced to live in his territory and pay taxes so his territory can be protected ny an army that will kill any wolves that enter without permission.
Pretty sure their borders aren’t made up of countries, taxes, and slavery.
and they aren’t forcing other animals to comply and pay taxes for the maintenance of those borders
Aside from like not having a country name or formal procedures, I think you’re probably mostly wrong actually.
those aren’t borders, those are territories arrived at by wolves interacting with each other and deciding to keep the peace. has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states
You just described a border.
Hint : the important part here is deciding, instead of imposed. If i go camping in a field, there is no border between me and my neighbor, but we will tend to hang around our own tents more. This is built on nothing more than will, as opposed to borders.
has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states
You mean the entities who interact with each other and decide to keep the peace as an abstract representation of those residing within them?
so the borders of the US were agreed upon by entities who decided to keep the peace, not established by war and genocide? the borders of several African states were not set by colonial violence? the border between Russia and Ukraine is being “renegotiated” and not fought over? Israel “renegotiating” with Lebanon?
there’s a big difference between populations who come to agreements with each other and states who do things for power.
LOL
Yeah it’s the abstract representation that’s the problem. I didn’t consent to this BS.
While it is nice in theory to eliminate all national borders, it’s not one wolf but a wolf pack. The pack is deciding democratically to respect the border of another pack.
Saying borders are “imposed by the state” is like a cub who ignores the pack, wanders into America and gets torn apart by nasty Americans.
the state is an organization that includes a tiny minority of people who get to command and control the greater population. you can argue that its power is legitimate because of elections if you want, but it is not the same as the people. meanwhile, the wolves don’t experience that kind of government.
The lines they are drawing are still imaginary and don’t exist in the physical world.
they exist in piss
more important, those lines are made for wolves and respected by wolves.
They aren’t forcing the other animals to comply.
Now I am wondering what happens if one pack is hunting something that ends up crossing into another pack’s territory. Do they continue the hunt or give up because it’s now the property of another clan? 🤔
I mean as far as I know, we also let other animals cross our borders. I have yet to see someone deport an animal cause it crossed a country border
This is actually fascinating because it demonstrates a social construct created by animals. Not all animals have the same intelligence, and in nature intelligence is typically found among animals living in groups. It requires intelligence to live and cooperate with others. To me it seems that these animals actually used their intelligence to preserve socially constructed zones for the general good of multiple groups of wolves, likely by staying where the right smell is and not going where the wrong smell is. Hopefully none of the wolves discover the prisoner’s dilemma and become a wolf emperor by suddenly invading and enslaving their unprepared neighbors.
I’ve read that humans, chimpanzees and wolves are the only animals that have shown a capacity for genocide.
Dolphins will get there one day too.
Wind blows, trees’ branches rub together and snap off twigs growing at the ends, creating gaps. They grow again, next windy day, they break again.
So you’re telling me that border skirmishes are completely natural?
Are we just gonna ignore the parts where they cross over?
If you look closely, it’s hard to find a “border” in the picture that isn’t crossed.
Yes because it doesn’t change the author’s point in the slightest
Except that it literally does???
Yeah but we’re not wolves 😄🏴
some leftists are furries though
What my first 3d print looked like
Checkmate, anarchists!
why?
It is a mutual agreement between wolves and other wolves, in order to manage territory and over hunting. They don’t force other animals to comply. they don’t force other animals to pay taxes to maintain it. There isn’t one king wolf drawing those borders.
I only respect borders marked with urine
Like this? lemmy.world/post/46019997
In Prometheus Rising, the comparison between politicians eking out borders is compared to animals rubbing feces and piss on trees.
well clearly someone is psyoped into believing wolves are part nature
TheFonz@lemmy.world 17 minutes ago
Cool, now overlap with the paths of migratory animals