Borders

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Borders are trees covered in pee.

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  • notabot@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sigh Unzip. If that’s what I’ve got to do to carve out some space, then so be it!

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Welcome to Border Peetrol.

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  • DahGangalang@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Maintaining healthy trees with urine covering with federal employee benefits and a government pension sounds like a dream job.

    No doubt they’d find a way to make it a bureaucratic nightmare of a job. But I’m down.

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• darthsundhaft@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Pretty sure their borders aren’t made up of countries, taxes, and slavery.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    and they aren’t forcing other animals to comply and pay taxes for the maintenance of those borders

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    • kn33@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      they aren’t forcing other animals to comply

      They might be. It’s still no reason for us to do the same

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  • bright@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Aside from like not having a country name or formal procedures, I think you’re probably mostly wrong actually.

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    • darthsundhaft@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      oof

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• SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The modern notion of nation States, with clearly defined borders, with mechanisms of violence to enforce those borders, lb arose around the 17th century.

  Wolves don’t build border walls, have customs checkpoints, or leave refugees to drown in the Mediterranean.

  This isn’t a “science meme”, it’s a falacious attempt to cloak reactionary rhetoric in the garb of scientific rigor.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Might as well show plant tissues with defined cell walls and say “borders are natural”.

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• the_abecedarian@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  those aren’t borders, those are territories arrived at by wolves interacting with each other and deciding to keep the peace. has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states

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  • krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You just described a border.

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    • Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Hint : the important part here is deciding, instead of imposed. If i go camping in a field, there is no border between me and my neighbor, but we will tend to hang around our own tents more. This is built on nothing more than will, as opposed to borders.

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  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Image

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    • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Image

      I mean we’re on Lemmy in /c/sciencememes, i.e. (pedantic fuckweasels)² 😆

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  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states

    You mean the entities who interact with each other and decide to keep the peace as an abstract representation of those residing within them?

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    • the_abecedarian@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      so the borders of the US were agreed upon by entities who decided to keep the peace, not established by war and genocide? the borders of several African states were not set by colonial violence? the border between Russia and Ukraine is being “renegotiated” and not fought over? Israel “renegotiating” with Lebanon?

      there’s a big difference between populations who come to agreements with each other and states who do things for power.

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    • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      LOL

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    • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah it’s the abstract representation that’s the problem. I didn’t consent to this BS.

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  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    While it is nice in theory to eliminate all national borders, it’s not one wolf but a wolf pack. The pack is deciding democratically to respect the border of another pack.

    Saying borders are “imposed by the state” is like a cub who ignores the pack, wanders into America and gets torn apart by nasty Americans.

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    • the_abecedarian@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      the state is an organization that includes a tiny minority of people who get to command and control the greater population. you can argue that its power is legitimate because of elections if you want, but it is not the same as the people. meanwhile, the wolves don’t experience that kind of government.

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• too_high_for_this@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I know it’s just a shitpost but it’s so fucking stupid.

  It’s comparing a home to a country. Like arguing “If you’re so against borders, I’ll just come into your house at any time.” No, fuckface, there’s a difference between personal space and (what should be) public land.

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• luthis@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Animals are more civilised than Israelis it seems

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not a hard bar to clear.

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• Capable_Coping@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The top quote is refering to borders as a state construction. Nobody denies the existence of boundaries between things in general

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    those wolves don’t cross borders those because they already have what they need, and avoid upsetting their neighbors. not because the other wolf built a fance and has an army that will kill him, and is forced to live in his territory and pay taxes so his territory can be protected ny an army that will kill any wolves that enter without permission.

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  • darklamer@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nobody denies the existence of boundaries between things in general

    I do, I refuse to admit the existence of rivers!

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• stray@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  They overlap significantly. In addition to what’s seen in the image, the wolves’ territories will move around due to various conditions. There are no fixed lines that could be likened to states’ borders, only vague areas that can be likened to respecting personal space. Compare the wolves’ ranges with the white line indicating the national park border also seen in the image, which does not move around based on vibes.

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• PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yeah but we’re not wolves 😄🏴

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    some leftists are furries though

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• felixwhynot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Are we just gonna ignore the parts where they cross over?

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  • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes because it doesn’t change the author’s point in the slightest

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    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Except that it literally does???

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  • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If you look closely, it’s hard to find a “border” in the picture that isn’t crossed.

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  • favoredponcho@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Largely they don’t though, and where they do it’s probably just a wolf that hasn’t picked up the scent of the other pack yet. Once they do, they seem to revert course.

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• blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Checkmate, anarchists!

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    why?

    It is a mutual agreement between wolves and other wolves, in order to manage territory and over hunting. They don’t force other animals to comply. they don’t force other animals to pay taxes to maintain it. There isn’t one king wolf drawing those borders.

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• TheFonz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Cool, now overlap with the paths of migratory animals

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  • favoredponcho@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Would that disprove that wolves don’t enter each other’s territory?

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    • TheFonz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, it debunks the appeal to nature as a basis for ethics and civilization

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• Chee_Koala@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Image

  so unnatural sheesh

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  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Wind blows, trees’ branches rub together and snap off twigs growing at the ends, creating gaps. They grow again, next windy day, they break again.

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    • lukstru@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So you’re telling me that border skirmishes are completely natural?

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• ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Am I allowed to immigrate across countries if I engage in a match of melee combat with the leader of said country and perform well? Murder optional.

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  • Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You have my vote, melee matches to the death preferred. I think the first two matches should be Trump, then Bibi. Is their any way we can expand this to billionaires before filling out the rest of the tour agenda?

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The lines they are drawing are still imaginary and don’t exist in the physical world.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    more important, those lines are made for wolves and respected by wolves.

    They aren’t forcing the other animals to comply.

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Now I am wondering what happens if one pack is hunting something that ends up crossing into another pack’s territory. Do they continue the hunt or give up because it’s now the property of another clan? 🤔

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    • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They are wolves they are killing other animals if they want to sometimes simply for the fun of killing them. Whats are argument here?

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    • Azteh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean as far as I know, we also let other animals cross our borders. I have yet to see someone deport an animal cause it crossed a country border

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  • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    they exist in piss

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I only respect borders marked with urine

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  • ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Like this? lemmy.world/post/46019997

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• Kwakigra@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is actually fascinating because it demonstrates a social construct created by animals. Not all animals have the same intelligence, and in nature intelligence is typically found among animals living in groups. It requires intelligence to live and cooperate with others. To me it seems that these animals actually used their intelligence to preserve socially constructed zones for the general good of multiple groups of wolves, likely by staying where the right smell is and not going where the wrong smell is. Hopefully none of the wolves discover the prisoner’s dilemma and become a wolf emperor by suddenly invading and enslaving their unprepared neighbors.

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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve read that humans, chimpanzees and wolves are the only animals that have shown a capacity for genocide.

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    • Kwakigra@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Dolphins will get there one day too.

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    • SageMountain@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ants also wage war, with some species only stoping when the enemy colony is completely destroyed.

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• Fortatech@gregtech.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  What my first 3d print looked like

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• culprit@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Territoriality” implies defense of an area, and many researchers create maps that help graphically illustrate the range, or territory, of a given wolf pack.

  However, the area defended is not as clearly defined as a map may indicate. Territory shifts can occur seasonally or year to year.

  Also notable is that neighboring territories may overlap. However, while the same area may be used by several packs, use will not occur at the same time.

  www.nps.gov/articles/life-of-a-wolf.htm

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• theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ok, sounds like we don’t have to put so much energy into policing them then.

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• troglodytis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I pee on things when I walk around the farm

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• iatenine@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Hear that, Tuvalu?

  Just redraw your borders and quit bitching about sea levels

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  • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They just haven’t pissed into the ocean enough smh

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• MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  well clearly someone is psyoped into believing wolves are part nature

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• Admetus@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  In Prometheus Rising, the comparison between politicians eking out borders is compared to animals rubbing feces and piss on trees.

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• favoredponcho@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  We should draw congressional districts like this.

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• ruuster13@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Borders defined by conflict, competition for resources, in-groups and out-groups. We’re all the same thing and evolution defines it.

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• dragnucs@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yes but humans are not wolfs. Each behave differently.

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• doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  But I don’t have any wolves here :(

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