Anyone that pays for a game infected with Denuvo malware is part of the problem.
Pragmata surpasses 1m copies sold in just two days
Submitted 2 weeks ago by iamthetot@piefed.ca to games@lemmy.world
https://www.eurogamer.net/pragmata-surpasses-1m-copies-sold-in-two-days
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BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t mind buying something like that on a dedicated gaming machine, Xbox, PlayStation, Switch. I would not buy that for my computer
Janx@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
But wouldn’t a locked-down platform like Xbox, PlayStation, or Nintendo have much, much less need to devote system resources to kernel-level anti cheat?
timestatic@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
If its a well made or artistically nice game sure I would pay. It sure sucks for preservation tho. Although choosing GOG when possible is already pretty helpful I think for the right direction
Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Piefed.social has 29 comments under this thread, 21 of those comments are about Denuvo with over half of them being a variation of the “Denuvo bad”. I get it, I don’t like Denuvo either, but do we really need a “This game has Denuvo so I’m not going to buy it” comment whenever a game with Denuvo is in the news. At this point it’s become another circlejerk. I thought we’re here because we love gaming but it feels like some people are just looking for an excuse to complain.
I can already see this not being well received (considering how popular hating on Denuvo is) so I’m going to save everyone some trouble. I don’t care about your need to defend your circlejerk in front of me. I know where I stand on Denuvo and to me that topic is a dead horse, I’m not going to beat it so I’m not going to respond. I might respond if the comment is about how it impacts the community here, but my stance on that is very simple. We’re intelligent people here, we know how to check whether a game has Denuvo or not, lettings others to the game has Denuvo is not some PSA and calling people the problem for buying a game with Denuvo hurts the community more than it helps.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
do we really need a “This game has Denuvo so I’m not going to buy it” comment whenever a game with Denuvo is in the news
Yes. As with all social injustice and corruption, we are ethically obligated to draw attention to it every time. Allowing corporate theft against consumers to be quietly accepted because you are more annoyed by the backlash than the theft makes you an accomplice.
Don’t be an accomplice.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I refuse to buy into the lie that EVERY minor inconvenience is an assault on social justice. That kind of absolutism is designed to waste social energy in a world where far more visible and important harms are frequent. Ending the feeding of gambling addictions, addressing memory hoarding, and encouraging fresh IPs are all to me far more important issues.
You need to accept there’s a large population of people in this community that have not, and will not, be convinced by the Denuvo arguments. I even tried to engage others on the subject to dissect their views and potentially further the discussion, and all it got was multiple paragraphs about what they were NOT going to say, and refused to talk about. The debate is over, and not by my choice. It is literally just annoying now.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I’m sure your coworkers really appreciate you telling them on every single payday that the capital owners are stealing their money. You wouldn’t want to be an accomplice to capitalism now would you.
Sebastrion@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
I have to say that it has become almost impossible to discuss anything about Video Games on Lemmy. If you mention a Video Game made by Nintendo, and that you like it -> Stop supporting Nintendo, they are bad. If you mention a Denuvo Game, and that you like it -> Stop supporting them, they are bad. You have a Problem with a game -> switch to Linux and it will fix all your problems.
And you should buy a steam deck, because GabeN and getting people addicted on gambling is cool. We’re not being hypocritical here.
Datz@szmer.info 2 weeks ago
I for one like both Nintendo and Valve, and the few Nintendo game discussions I read had as much obligatory “Nintendo bad” complaints as every Valve thread has obligatory “Valve bad” comments. I’m finding those complainers more obnoxious even, because at least Nintendo criticism usually sticks to posts already criticising Nintendo.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hell, I’ll admit, I don’t care much for Nintendo now but I’m also not going to invade topics about Tomodachi Life to insist every Nintendo fan boycott it because of what they did to Garry’s Mod.
chahn.chris@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
This game is so fun. Like holy crap, I haven’t found a game this fun in a while. I never knew I needed puzzle mini games while shooting things, but I guess here we are!
caseofthematts@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The fanfare is interesting to me, because I played the demo and found the exact opposite from my experience! The mini games in the middle of it all was too many subsystems for me to find enjoyable. But that’s clearly the minority opinion based on the sales and reviews.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I never knew I needed puzzle mini games while shooting things, but I guess here we are!
This is a formula as old as 3D gaming.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
I can’t think of a single well-known game that has something similar.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can’t think of a single game that has a mini puzzle while shooting. Plenty of games with those at independent times.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Also, Deus Ex.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ironic that you say that.
I play Bioshock every 3-5 years and finished my latest playthrough today. It has a puzzle mini-game you play often in order to hack into things and lots and lots of shooting.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It says a lot that Bioshock’s hacking minigame was derided though. I can’t fully explain why, but the implementation in Pragmata feels much more engaging. It manages to build it less as an obstacle out-of-combat, and more of a reward in-combat, while also not needing that much thought process to apply it decently.
Noja@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Also: Denuvo-DRM prevents paying Linux and Steam Deck players from playing
Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That’s not even tru tho. Played all weekend on Linux
Noja@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s definitely true if you troubleshoot your system and change proton versions more than 5 times. Then you are locked out of the game you purchased and “own” for at least 24 hours.
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I hate Denuvo as much as the next guy but it’s literally Steam Deck Verified
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Who upvotes this bullshit without even a lazy cursory check to learn it’s completely false?
Noja@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s definitely true if you troubleshoot your system and change proton versions more than 5 times. Then you are locked out of the game you purchased and “own” for at least 24 hours.
48954246@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thanks, saved me from reading any further
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Except it’s a straight up lie, it works on Linux and runs fine on steam decks
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It works on my Linux setup
AryaRaiin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Literally just played it on Linux. lol They did something to make it work without Denuvo. Haven’t really investigated how/why but I’m glad they did.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People with ethics might be prevented from playing, but that’s due to the game’s publisher, not the OS.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For some reason, I thought this already came out years ago to little fanfare; I seem to recall a demo or trailer for it from way back …
Ah, development hell and indefinite delays from Capcom. Looks like it’s being recorded well, too.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
There was a demo for it, quite a while even. But I don’t think it was development hell tbh. Between an initial demo to gather feedback on the fundamental systems and a released game can be several years.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, it was in development hell, and Capcom even indefinitely suspended development at one point.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ye same, it was a very special and captivating reveal trailer too. That said, these days things are revealed before development even starts soooo
Ye, it can take 6 years between reveal and release
nuko147@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I played the demo to see what it is about, although shooter games are not my thing, and I liked it. But damn Denuvo.
I will wait for them to remove it, game is already cracked though.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Congrats to Capcom. Solid game deserves solid sales
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
If I hadn’t played a bit of this game and just watched videos of the gameplay, I would have thought the combat sucked. Like visually it seems like you are not actually fighting real time, but solving puzzles that control the fight.
This is not the case. The puzzle part, the hacking, is just used to “open” the robots up so you deal a good amount of damage instead of barely anything. It makes every encounter more intense and gives this otherwise standard 3rd person shooter a very fun soulslike experience with guns instead of melee. You can’t just rely on having good aim and movement, you need to multitask and solve the little minigame every few seconds to keep your damage up and it is gnarly. In a good way.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cool.
Thats almost as many as Windrose sold.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Windrose sold 500,000 copies in 48 hours. They sold 1 million copies in 6 days.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was gonna buy it until I saw it has Denuvo malware in it. So close, Capcom. So close.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Capcom is so odd. They put out old Dino Crises games on Steam recently with their Enigma DRM.
At the same time, it’s also being sold on GOG without DRM…??? What. Not that it hasn’t been easy to emulate for decades. Wtf are they doing?
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re talking about a company run by executives that, when asked for permission to re-sell their old catalog, told GOG staff:
“Okay, but we have all of those remakes. It’s already the superior experience to those games.”
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Never really understood the hate against denuvo. Yes, it’s annoying and unnecessary, but it’s no vanguard or ricochet that requires full access to the system. Especially on linux this is honestly a complete no-issue since it runs as a user-process within the prefix.
There’s other battles that should be fought, especially against vanguard, ricochet or EAC.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Denuvo, and in fact ALL anti-piracy countermeasures (including kernel level anti-cheat like nGuard Protect, or Vanguard) added to computer software, is cancerware. It does not do anything to prevent piracy beyond maybe a month depending on cracking scene interest. But it does severely negatively affect game performance. In some cases, games with Denuvo removed have seen +40 fps and more for end users with absolutely no change to game settings or hardware.
Denuvo runs game functions within a VM, and uses the game license, your machine HWID, and magic numbers to make calculations so it can decrypt the partially encrypted by Denuvo game code. It does this EVERY FRAME. Computers have become fast enough that people like you might say you dont notice the difference because your copy of the game runs at 60fps “most of the time” with dips into the 30s or 40s. But without that literal circus of cancerware your game could be running at 90+ fps with absolutely no change from you. Now why, exactly, does Denuvo need to do these checks with your license and HWID every single frame? Well, you silly wallet, your license might expire or be revoked inbetween frames.
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Denuvo, and all DRM, only harms genuine paying customers. Its only a minor inconvenience to game cracking groups and pirates.
Just because kernel level anti-cheat is bad doesn’t mean that Denuvo is somehow good. They are both equally bad.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If you are in favour of any kind of DRM then you are arguing against your own interests as a purchaser of games.
absquatulate@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not sure why you’re being downvoted for asking a legit question, but I believe the hate comes exactly from the fact that its annoying, unnecessary and a drain on resources. And even if others are worse we shouldn’t be normalizing it. Personally I avoid it also because until recently it was borderline uncrackable and thus prevented me from keeping my games through posterity.
Viceversa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Developers wouldn’t share their profit with Denuvo if not for pirates.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Afaik Denuvo doesn’t stop pirates. It only negatively affects the game for people who paid good money for it.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Denuvo has a 0-day bypass. It isn’t stopping pirates from playing the game. If you can follow a 5 minute YouTube tutorial, you can bypass Denuvo.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
You can pirate this game, like pretty much any denuvo title, due to the new Hypervisor bypass.