Submitted 3 hours ago by Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
More and more games seem to suck on thier own, but can be great with mods. You have entire platforms like roblox where all the games are more or less mods. How long until the platform itself is community created and managed and the viability of games created by companies dissappears?
Were you playing games through the late 90s and early 00s, by any chance? Because we’ve been here before.
Didnt the whole moba genre start as mod?
Started as Warcraft 3 custom maps before Dota 1.
The third-most populated game on Steam right now is Dota 2. Dota 1 is a mod. Counter-Strike was a Half-Life mod. PUBG came from the designer of a Battle Royale mod for Arma.
I did in fact play games then. But back then, modded games weren’t anywhere near as common as they are now. And the games that were modded to make new great games were great to begin with.
Now adays we seem to start from trash and use mods to make it playable. Soo, do we need the trash?
Roblox gets mods and UGC because people wanted to be there to begin with. Mostly children, but still people. I don’t know how to make an apples to apples comparison about how prevalent modding was back then, because there are just way more games out today in general; but there were still tons of mods. Elder Scrolls and the mod community have always been intertwined, and once again, people like what’s there in the first place. Even with the reputation of Elder Scrolls being a game you install mods on, it’s only something like 10% of players that ever install them. I have never modded Elder Scrolls.
More and more games seem to suck on thier own, but can be great with mods.
What new games with proper modding tools are there? Nobody wants to mod Starfield compared to Skyrim, Most of you probably don’t even know that there are modding tools out for Doom Eternal. There’s gooner mods for Capcom games and VR plugins I guess. Indie game engines ate the modding community’s lunch.
It’s been happening for years, almost decades at this point. In fact, I’d be willing to say that at least 50% of most games ever made were made by someone who used to mod other games for fun.
I’d say maybe over 20 years ago?
The existence of engines like Unity and Unreal blurs this a bit. You used to see more full-conversion mods for games that make them into something else, because the engine was the hard part. Now that they’re available on very permissive terms, most hobbyist game devs will genuinely make a full game from an empty kit, and release it without players needing to mod a game like Half-Life or Quake.
But, having full ownership of that environment naturally means a lot of creators will want something back for their work. They have no choice but to shrug and accept it’s a free fan project when it’s built off a $60 game, but the story is different when that chain is gone. So most of this trend takes the form of indie game development.
Honestly, this is how I wish more of my favorite IPs would go. Elder scrolls and fallout especially, Bethesda couldn’t write a story for a bad porno, let alone compete with some of the story mods in Fallout 4 and skyrim. Just streamline the developer tools into an easy to access plug and play system for mods and quit trying to sell us a $40 knock off of an existing mod on nexus.
S&box is coming out in like a month so probably then
I’m both super excited and very worried about this project. It has so much potential but there’s so little hype around it that it might not have enough creators and users. It’s also going to be paid which might be a tough sell considering other platforms like Roblox are free.
I tried the dev preview though, it’s pretty rad.
I plan to get it for my kid, they love creating games. Hopefully it helps them connect some dots about art and such. I plan to play with it too, excited to watch all my wonderfully intellectual game opinions get torn to bits by actual game dev experience.
What’s that exactly?
A modern attempt at a Garry’s Mod sequel by the same developer, basically.
Aliens: Total Conversion - 1994:
Legion TD2 is a game that was originally a Starcraft mod.
There aren’t enough talented users like that. And no one will put in tremendous effort in for free. And almost no one will pay for a game twice.
I’m still curious how CDPR did away with Witcher 1 - whether they paid Bioware to use NWN engine or not.
They did.
So, add renting an engine to my list then.
You mean like Luanti? These platforms exist, but most people won’t know of their existance. Game companies invest heavily in advertisement to reach potential consumers
PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 11 minutes ago
Company-made games aren’t going anywhere any time soon. Its a different type of project than modding/creating for sandbox games like Gmod, Minecraft, Roblox, or VRChat. Making games within other games limits what you can do, because you have no control over the engine, and said engine is normally focused on an specific “base” mechanics set. For example, in Gmod, this is an FPS game. Modders can change this gameplay, but the further you push away from it, the less work is done for you, and the more you’re fighting the existing game. At a certain point, you may as well just make a game rather than a mod.