But bro please

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• Enkrod@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You can be non-peaceful and be non-violent.

  Disturb the fucking peace, you don’t need a gun for that. In fact having a gun with you might make things more dangerous.

  Nobody is shooting at ICE, weapons do not help. They only make you feel like you are prepared while achieving nothing.

  Now, spiking tires with nails, a car breaking down, blocking the street ICE wants to take, punching a nazi… that’s way more effective, easy and (slightly) safer.

  Fuck “the right to bear arms”, you don’t need legal weapons, do illegal shit, fuck their peace up. Do not let them sleep, eat or work. Be disturbing the peace, be gay, do crime. You do not need weapons, you don’t need violence, you do need to step out of line and stop being peaceful.

  Peaceful can be ignored.

  Look to the yellow vests in France for inspiration.

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  • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    If this were reddit this post would get you banned.

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  • itistime@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Who should be the targets of this non-violent direct action? Who are the players?

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• JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  COPY/PASTA

  In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.

  Owning a gun isn’t enough. Driving to Cabela’s and picking up a vermin killing .22 rifle is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.

  I am not advocating for violence…far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.

  PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors and/or active hearing protection. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn’t about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect. Suppressors might be out of reach for most but quality active and passive hearing protection is not.

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  • in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Familiarity is important, training will save your life.

    Get an IFAK and go to a stop the bleed class https://www.stopthebleed.org/

    If you’re currently versed in Firearms and are able to start a chapter, or if you are lucky enough to live in an area with a local chapter the SRA is a good organization. However they are apparently fractured and their politics may not align. https://socialistra.org/

    https://www.blazingsword.org/ is better for LGBTQ+ anarchists that tend to not get along with Tankies.

    A more decentralized option could be a John Brown Gun Club https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/john-brown-gun-club

    Good basis of organized tactics. The guide below is more about organized movement than direct fire. Below will NOT help you in a firefight as it relies on a much larger trained force than you are likely to have. Good to know what the bastards study though. https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B2F2837%20Rifle%20Squad%20Tactics.pdf?ver=2015-05-27-100939-710

    How to avoid getting balled up and kettled. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarch-ish-how-to-win-at-kettling-a-guide-for-non-policemen

    Sabotage guide from WW2 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184.txt.utf-8

    General armed defense https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/organizing-armed-defense-in-america

    How to organize a rapid response from a very high level with further detailed resources. https://southerncoalition.org/resources/rapid-response-101/

    Good general advice on organizing, also a good resource to find groups near you that are likely aligned. https://www.fiftyfifty.one/organizer-resources

    Feel free to reach out for any other resources

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    • Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t forget the John brown gun club

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  • bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It really is a damn shame suppressors are illegal in California.

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    • French75@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s moronic. We demand lower noise in most products, but demand higher noise in guns because we can’t distinguish Hollywood bullshit from reality. I think most CA Dems would accept the premise that reducing injurious noise levels while participating in a legal activity is a good idea, but institutionally they’d never give an inch on gun laws.

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  • sobchak@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe I’m just old, but suppressors seem pointless to me. If I understand correctly, you need to use subsonic ammo to get the full effect, which pretty much negates the extra “stopping power” of rifles (or higher velocity handguns). Simple foam ear plugs, like many people wear to work, can be as good or better in terms of db reduction if going to a range or popping some off in “the back nine” if you’re fortunate. If you need to run to your gun in an emergency to save you’re own life, I don’t think you’d take the time to grab your hearing protection. Hearing impaired is better than dead. And you’re definitely not going to EDC active hearing protection. Perhaps I’m not understanding the benefits though. I see the benefits if it’s like your job or something (work at a range, are a rancher that shoots vermin/predators at night). I suppose if you’re training in some kind of militia to work in a squad, active hearing protection with integrated radio would be nice, but virtually nobody is doing that.

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    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Even with hearing protection protracted use of firearms still causes hearing damage. A suppressed firearm is going to cause less damage over time than an unsuppressed. Is it perfect? Nope, but it is better than nothing.

      I recently watched a video on the differences of a suppressed and unsuppressed weapon in the field. You can tell a difference certainly, and again, it’s enough to reduce harm to your hearing.

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  • AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    what is up with so many people having buckees profile pics?

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Irony

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• TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Cops shouldn’t have assault rifles either, they’re not the military. I find the second amendment so fucking dumb. It’s to rise up against a tyrannical government. But since you have it, precisely now is the time to use it. Helloooow? Why don’t you use it? You have a tyrannical government full of pedophiles. All those decades full of innocent deaths, all so you can keep your precious second amendment, just in case you reach a point you are in now. Well, go ahaid then, prove all those deaths were worth it. Bunch of self-centered uneducated hypocrites.

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  • Azrael@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I agree with you. The issue is that the people who have been fighting to keep the second amendment are the ones who are siding with and enabling the government. The pro-second amendment people are the ones who voted for Trump in the first place.

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    • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So? Are they the only ones allowed to buy guns? Or is the second amendment also for the Trump haters?

      When my government would turn complete authoritarian fascist, I would love it if I could just buy a gun in the local supermarket.

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  • sobchak@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The interpretation of the 2nd amendment that the courts take never made sense to me. I clearly says states can have well-regulated militias, not that citizens must have rifles with 50rd drum magazines.

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    • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      Emphasis mine - obviously there’s more than one interpretation, but I think that if the intent was to only protect the rights of people to keep and bear arms if and only if they are members of some organized militia, it would have been clearly indicated by the text. It seems obvious to me that everything before that comma is explanatory, personally.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s because Antonin Scalia was a feckless hypocrite

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  • doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What is an assault rifle? I don’t think what non-military civilians or police carry qualify. I know a few grandfathered fully automatic rifles are out there but they cost like $40k and they’re mostly in the hands of collectors. Most guns are semi auto and semi auto rifles are great for hunting things like wild boar.

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    • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Most guns are semi auto and semi auto rifles are great for hunting things like wild boar fascists.

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• SleepyPie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hello folks.

  For reasons unrelated to this post I believe everyone should get into the FPV drone hobby. People with minimal constitution can get great results - especially gamers!

  A radio controller is about $150, and can be used with many great simulators on steam. Once you are comfortable with the simulation, invest in a (few) drones. Most of their parts can be 3D printed for cheap, and the rest bought from Chinese companies for cheap.

  It is a lot of fun to fly around in the first person view. I hear they are very popular in Ukraine for some reason.

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What if i wanted to combine my two favorite hobbies of guns and drones? How would I go about fusing them in some kind of way?

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    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Synthetic black powder is fairly common and is great for all sorts of fireworks and such. Drone shows should really incorporate more powder.

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  • CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Funny you should make this suggestion. I’ve been having a grand time figuring out how to make drones, can confirm it’s great fun for the whole family.

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• A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I like not being a gringo.

  I like living in a normal country.

  I like living in a country that’s not controlled by a cabal of pedofiles.

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  • aldhissla@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ok to points 1. and 2.

    But where is this Shangri La you speak of?

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    • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The what?

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unfortunately, no one is free of the influence of the US and its cabal of pedophiles.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Who you gonna shoot? I’m serious. Stalin was a bankrobber. Haitians drove Napoleon’s army into the sea with machetes. The Black Panthers took several pigs off roll-call. What’s your plan, revolutionary?

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Im not american but hopefully nobody. Their whole rationality for having guns everywhere all the time is that if everyone has a gun nobody needs a gun.

    We, the rest of the world, think its a stupid idea, but if the government is literally killing people in the streets and declaring the murderers as heroes, its not looking so daft.

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    • Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For the first time in my life I have considered a gun. I agree with your comment, it’s typically something I don’t need or want. I don’t want my neighbours to want them or need them.

      But here we are and it’s terrible.

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    • mirshafie@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They use the same rationale for international security. If everybody gas nuclear bombs, then nobody needs them. It’s insane doomsday evangelism dressed up as a debate club argument.

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    • DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How do you shoot children in school then?

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  • seathru@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Simply being prepared for the worst is a plenty fine plan. Just, actually be prepared, don’t just buy a gun and expect to know how to use it proficiently when the need arises.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I believe that I can go to the store and purchase a sense of security. Once I own a gun, I can indulge in revolutionary fantasies that aren’t complicated by material conditions.

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  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not a stand up fight, there should be enough in a crowd that if they don’t feel safe trying to execute another person like they did Alex.

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• merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Gandhi

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  • Enkrod@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ghandi was non violent and unarmed. But he WAS NOT peaceful. His protests were absolutely poison for the colonial economy and he broke several laws and had stints in prison during his time.

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    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m reminded in this time that one of the reasons that Japan dare trying to invade the USA was “A gun behind every blade of grass.” Helicopters, planes, drones can’t hold positions. You need troops on the ground to hold a position to keep people in line. It’s hard to to do that when you can be shot from any direction.

      As well to me, if I’m facing the possibility of being killed execution style for just demonstrating or helping someone that was maced, I’d rather be armed. Even if I have little chance of surviving, that’s better than 0.

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  • Bytemeister@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Spoiler, the British cared more about Indians than this administration cares about its citizens.

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• BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Funny thing is, if an armed populace is utterly incapable of doing a single damn thing as the gun banners say they are, WHY do the authoritarians in charge of these powerful modern military still banning guns?

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same reason they only come out when surrounded by bulletproof glass or in sniper-controlled areas now. They don’t want to be individually targeted.

    Now it’s interesting to imagine what would happen if hundreds of officials were individually targeted, but having a bunch of guns at your house ≠ that. Still the issue of targeted suppression exists, and would be highly effective.

    If you burn down a neighborhood, if you shoot an RPG or a drone at a house, none of the guns inside matter, except they make it more lethal as you try to escape. They also make your house more unsafe for kids and yourself (statistically).

    Arming yourself up defensively just doesn’t do much. If they want you dead, they’re gonna do it in a zero-casualty-for-them way. They can do that en masse, they can do that in rural or urban areas. They train for that 24/7. They love that.

    Arming yourself offensively, well that’s something else. I don’t know if that’s what’s being suggested when this issue comes up though.

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    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s problematic to say you’re arming up to actively hurt someone, even on Lemmy I believe they have rules against it. So you can only say I want to defend myself or try to imply through a wink or nudge.

      What I’m tired of though is people thinking it’s all going to be lone gunmen or large formations of people fighting. This is a resistance movement, we should be thinking like the French did when the Nazis came.

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    • itistime@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, a civil war of mass action will never happen, and if it did happen, the left would be crushed with millions of casualties. The great majority of the violent power is in fascist hands. They will command 80%+ of the military and civilian police forces. The majority of civil armament, training, and callous disregard for life is on the right. Those somewhat in the middle will shift rightward when their friends and families who are military and police get attacked.

      The MAGA base, cops and military are mostly idiots or brainwashed zealots. They are used as pawns. They are not the puppet masters.

      Attention needs focused on the Epstein class.

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  • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fascists understand threats. The possiblity of violence is enough to scare them before they gain too much power. Once they feel they’re not at risk or just their goons are, they’ll be happy crushing anything with pure violence

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• frank@lemmy.fraxoweb.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Doomed if you do. Doomed if you don’t. So might as well be a man and do what you believe in.

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  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Please guys, I know they’re killing us now, but if you arm up, they will still kill you. Take the high road, know that you did in your final moments as they’re beating you to death then execute you like Alex was.”

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• AlexLost@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You all have guns, don’t see anyone using them but the popo? Way to stand against an aggressive state, eh!

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, that whole second amendment thing turned out to be the joke we all thought. I’ve never known a nation to just roll over and take it as much as this bunch. They’re pathetic and their overlords obviously know it.

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    • bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Or, and hear me out here, we’re really trying to not give dipshit the ammo he needs to deploy the military against us. Because when that happens, it’s game over.

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  • Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fun fact! If you’ve ever been involuntarily committed to like a psychiatric hospital you’re barred by Federal law from owning firearms! Some kinds of emergency and temporary holds are okay, but yeah because my wife had technically gotten involuntarily committed years ago before we met because she couldn’t make it to the hospital safely for it to be voluntary she can’t have them at all and it’s unclear if I’d be able to with my own history of mental health issues

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    • AlexLost@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This does make sense, so I’m confused why it’s actually law. I thought common sense gun laws were non existent in the USA?!

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  • Soulg@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because we don’t all have guns, the data is skewed by the far right rednecks who each have like 20 guns

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    • AlexLost@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I know plenty of democrats or centrists with guns, they just happen to also be rational people. It’s time to bring them out though.

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  • MxRott@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Where are you looking for the report coverage?

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    • AlexLost@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mostly here and Reddit. I’m Canadian too, so my news is slightly less biased. Slightly.

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• MapleEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Anyone who thinks their AR-15 ga going to let them take on a tyrannical government has no understanding of how tanks work.

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  • Malfeasant@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A person has to get in that tank, and sooner or later, they have to get out again…

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    • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IFVs exist for this exact purpose and they typically have minimum 1 per tank if not 2.

      You ain’t gonna get very far when theres a 25mm auto cannon spraying and praying in your general direction.

      Plus the coaxial 7.62 MGs

      Plus the hull mounted M2 .50 cal MGs.

      Why do you think separatists and resistance movements have to rely on IEDs and forcing fights in urban environments with a metric ton of cover available?

      Why do you think they get steamrolled by mechanized armored units like almost every time that forces them into guerilla fighting tactics like digging tunnels and using mountainous terrain?

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    • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Now you know the true reason behind the ai push

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    • MapleEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, but they will get in that tank inside a well fortified base protected by helecopters with door mounted mini guns and Hellfire missiles, go out and kill people with piddly little AR-15s at an industrial scale, then return to their well fortified bases for afternoon tea.

      The second ammendment was wirten back when the people and the government had the same weapons. That isn’t the case anymore. If you take on the government, you die. If 100,000 of you take on the government most of you die. Unless you can get a sizeable portion of the peopulation out from in front of Keeping Up with the Kardashains and into the street to protest you’re a pedofascist dictatorship for the forseeable future.

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  • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The US’s violence budget far exceeds any existing well regulated militia, let alone Cletus’ gun cabinet. The government can kill us from a great height from outside of visual range. That’s why it’s very very important to elect people you can trust, or have a revolution if the candidates are all trash. It’s a very good reason to not e elect a maniacal fucking moron. Oops.

    That said, it’s not about being able to win a war against the government, it’s about making it more trouble than it’s worth.

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    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All the tools in the toy box and the us still can not occupy even a small nation well (when was the last time they did so successfuly?). The fact that this is an occupation just has not had the starting incident yet.

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The US’s violence budget far exceeds any existing well regulated militia, let alone Cletus’ gun cabinet.

      And yet the US lost in Vietnam, despite dropping more tons of bombs on Vietnam alone than used in the entirety of WW2. Come on, the entire 20th century was a story of revolutionary groups inventing the science of guerilla warfare. Small poorly armed forces can take on nation states in the right condition. Did you just…forget…the entire last century of history?

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  • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There has never been a revolution in history that wasn’t massively outgunned.

    The real key is that you use the small guns to seize control of the big guns. And you recruit people who know how to use those tanks and other heavy weaponry. Revolutions often start with raiding armories and military bases for this very reason. You might think it’s impossible for a bunch of randos to storm an actual army base. But history proves otherwise. How many military bases are actually, right at this moment, actively preparing for a large group of civilians to storm the fences? The element of surprise is a powerful weapon.

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    • MapleEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s not how revolutions work. Soldiers are trained to do one thing, to kill people who shoot at them. If you shoot at soldiers there is a very high liklihood that you’re going to end up very, very dead. The only way a revolution in the US will work is if the army switches sides to support the people. If that doesn’t happen, the revolution will not succeed. A bunch of Gravy Seals in ill fitting mismatched surplus store body armour carrying AR-15s will never succeed in overthrowing the US government no matter how many childish circle jerk murder fantasies they share. What will win the revolution in the US is old ladies with pots and pans and young people with whistles. You need to get enough people off their asses and into the streets making noise and protesting. That means you need over 12 million people in the streets protesting on a sustained basis then you need the army to suppor the people.

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  • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My guns are a last stand deterrent. I don’t want to shoot anybody unless I know that they intend to shoot me.

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    • MapleEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mine, too.

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• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How did this work out for Alex Pretti? He’s the perfect example of how this shit will/would play out. Stop telling people to commit suicide ffs.

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• Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Arm” yourselves with gas masks, hardhats, traffic cones (if holes for air at the top, duct tape them shut.

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• Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pass.

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• robocall@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I just need a few Barrett m82s for squirrel hunting… It’s my right!

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