What's it going to take to truly stop the US?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ramble81@lemmy.zip⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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slappyfuck@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Don’t forget that we’ve done much worse. Obama straight up assassinated Bin Laden in a foreign country.

But I mean honestly, we’d have to lose a significant amount of military power and if any substantial alliance ever formed against us, we’re looking at mutually assured destruction.

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- Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Killing Osama was worse than this? Lol
  
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  - slappyfuck@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Going into a foreign country to assassinate someone is a worse crime than kidnapping someone, yes roflcopter
    
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- Feedback17@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  We have not done at worse. Trump is attacking US cities.
  
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- atmorous@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Also the people need to organize way more to get more done especially getting way more people doing too. It all compounds overtime
  
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- Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  If south america made an equivalent to NATO brazil would be the major world power for the next 50 years
  
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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’ll take the politicians in other countries being willing to say no to bribes from US corporations.

Because the actions that need to be taken involve sanctions on the US and seizing the assets (including patents and trademarks) of US-owned corporations. And refusing to act as a tax haven for them anymore.

But that would benefit everyone while lessening the ability of politicians to enrich themselves with money from oil stolen from Venezuela and exploited from US citizens. Let’s see how noble your politicians are. We know ours are shit.

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bunkyprewster@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
In the Vietnam war, fragging the officers had a big impact.

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humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Russia and China have the capability to sink US navies with nuclear strikes. Minimal environmental/civilian damage when its done during deployment. More global support for them doing so is what is needed. A more peaceful solution is US colonies ending their alignment with US, and contributing to its economic collapse.

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- BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  You want more global support for China and Russia?
  
  That’s like leaving an abusive partner and going to an even more abusive partner.
  
  We need to support stable and ethical countries like EU countries.
  
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  - humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    EU’s war intensification on Russia is purely submission to the US’s war on Nordstream, and US’s war on Russia that never ended. Entirety of it is evil on purely false pretenses.
    
    The EU is incapable of resisting US while maintaining a war on Russia, and the main distancing from US it needs to make is obeying US warmongering policy towards world including Russia and China. It is US and US alone that is a threat to world/global security. But total control over devoted colonies is essential to its evil.
    
    While I disagree with labelling Russia and China as abusive, the only relevant question is which side is the lesser abusive. Getting that wrong is what makes NATO and other colonies part of the problem.
    
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- MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  They don’t need nukes, they have their hypersonic missiled
  
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  - humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    They also have a magic infinite range torpedo. A nuke sinks entire carrier group. It doesn’t need to be used. Just US ordered to withdraw fleet.
    
    The likely reason for no intervention is that China is being given Asia and Africa, Russia the CIS, and Russia and US will split Europe with Europe choosing the wrong side for many years to come.
    
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IvyisAngy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
The answer is simple. When you see an American Soilder. Kill them When we’re in your airspace. Shoot it down without question or guilt. Do not trade with us. Do not speak to us. Treat every boat, plane, vehicle- whatever, as a threat.

The shitheels in power belive with thier whole hearts that nothing will be done and they can do whatever the fuck they’d like and it will never effect them. Prove them wrong. Kill them. Place thier heads on pikes and light them on fire, burn thier estates, turn the Whitehouse to glass; take Trump seriously, and make sure every single threat or comment he’s ever made results in complete and total humiliation.

That’s how.

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- Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Why are so many Americans here calling for outside help to their internal problem with a bunch of criminal leaders?
  
  Countries who are friends of Venezuela, OK, but why would you think that other countries start a war now?
  
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  - Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Why are so many Americans here calling for outside help to their internal problem with a bunch of criminal leaders?
    
    Because attempts from within have failed.
    
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  - IvyisAngy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Because We’re poor. And in my case. Disabled enough to the point I can’t do anything else but scream.
    
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switcheroo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
No country should be dealing with the US right now. Cut this country the fuck off.

Do not allow Preznit Fuckwit or any of his cronies in your country. Threaten with imprisonment since he is a disgusting multi-time felon who is also a pedo and a rapist. No decent country should let that type of thing step foot there.

Sanction. Do not buy American ANYTHING. The fucking morons who voted for this shit need to hurt. Im talking destitute. They need to have zero choice but to point their dirty finger at the source of their misery and accept that he is a con-- a fucking con!!-- and that their own stupidity is why they are not scraping by.

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DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
If we’re talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.

Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in… But the new playbook like what we’ve we’ve seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word ‘genocide’ we don’t have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that’s dodgy.

Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US’s pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it’s own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.

The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world’s nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.

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- discocactus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  The US is the ugly violent older brother’s friend for the EU. They are loving this. Venezuela is one of the countries that Russia has propped up for ages. We’re beating up the bully’s friends, and reminding the bully that we can do what they can’t.
  
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  - DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It won’t go well once they go after someone with more solid obligations.
    
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SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Dude Not the first time US has done this.

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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Nobody can outright militarily like, pull off assasinating the entire executive branch, which is basically what you’d need at this point, to actually stop this… bare minimum.

But what you can do is hasten our ongoing societal collapse untill we actually get to something like a Syria civil war scenario.

And how do you do that?

Well, you take advantage of our dogshit cybersecurity we have around lots of government systems and critical infrastrucure, which has surely been made much more secure with the recent drive to install highly exploitable LLMs everywhere they will fit… oh and I’m sure the experts at DOGE didn’t leave in gaping exposed holes in anything…

And so anyway, you just turn off as much electricty and power and communications (yes that means the internet) as you possibly can, in a way that will keep them down for as long as possible and make it as difficult as possible to repair.

At that point, probably a good portion of the US collapses into complete fucking chaos within a week.

That chaos probably necessitates a reconfiguration of our global deployments, and it fucks up our military logistics by way of basically destroying the economy.

Have that kind of a scenario play out?

Well, a whole lot of other major militaries are going to have a bit more of a free hand to do as they please, as we would be in utter disarray.

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- thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  electricity and power
  
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  - sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    There are more kinds of power than electricity generated by power plants, conveyed via powerlines.
    
    Gasoline, diesel, natural gas, jet fuel… all have to get piped or trucked around, on regular schedules, otherwise a whole lotta stuff starts to break down rather quickly.
    
    Whole lot of the infrastructure that makes that possible would or could also be seriously messed up by a full scale cyber attack.
    
    … guess I could have said ‘fuel’, but fuel generally just is stored power in a condensed liquid or gaseous form, so, meh.
    
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WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Nothing, since they are all either scared, or part of it.

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lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
What’s going to stop it? Short of a new world war, total economic collapse following government and corporate irresponsibility, man-made disasters, and greed in general – once they get rid of the controls, the checks and balances, and emasculate the agencies like SEC and laws that are supposed to limit corporate irresponsibility and enforce civil rights.

However, Mainland China is highly likely to fill that global power vacuum once the US collapses, and where I live I can still feel its heavy influence in terms of voluminous imports of cheap goods, and it’ll continue to loom larger over my people even long after I go out in this existence.

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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Internal collapse and/or a foreign coalition. If the US goes after Greenland I’d hope the rest of NATO stuck to their treaty obligations and fought back.

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Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Midterm elections followed by impeachment.

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- Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I will eat my hat if he’s impeached and convicted. Impeachment alone is meaningless, as we already saw twice.
  
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  - Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    True, but this time he is clearly in decline, so republicans have far less to gain by keeping him, and plenty to gain by tossing him. He has been working to undermine plenty in his own party be “primarying” them. I think the majority of republicans in congress want him gone, but are just afraid to be the one that steps forward unless they all do…
    
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- FE80@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Third time’s the charm?
  
  Seriously, if the Democrats were going to do something it would have happened years ago. No one is going to save us.
  
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  - Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    True, but this time he is clearly in decline, so republicans have far less to gain by keeping him, and plenty to gain by tossing him. He has been working to undermine plenty in his own party be “primarying” them. I think the majority of republicans in congress want him gone, but are just afraid to be the one that steps forward unless they all do…
    
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clot27@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Kill yankees

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echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’ll collapse under the weight of its own incompetent sooner or later.

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SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Maduro and Trump are friends

Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.

Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
The US should’ve become a socialist/communist country during the Great Depression (like in the althistory story “Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline”). Seriously!

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starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
This is Trump’s Sudetenland. Expect him to invade Canada.

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tym@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
MAFD (mutually assured financial destruction)

Sell all US Debt (treasury bonds) and the rats will jump ship

Now sit back and watch the leaders of the actual free world do nothing of the sort because fuck the lower classes, that’s why. Yes, yes this is your problem, too. You’re witnessing a symptom not a cause.

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gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
You must be young lol

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Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Probably another Saturday afternoon protest in a few months…

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melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
While we all still talk in “countries” the real world leaders talk in “globes”. Be true to your school, patriots. Eventually I hope you discover your school is one globe as well.

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Xanthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Nothing but China, so pick your poison.

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- GrammarPolice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  China has no chance and no interest in stopping the US militarily.
  
  Economically, there’s a chance.
  
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  - Xanthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Long-term and not through conventional weapons. That’s kinda what they’re known for.
    
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msokiovt@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Ask the Jesuits what it will take. They call the shots.

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liuther9@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Stop paying taxes

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- LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Oh sure, I’ll just request a new W-4 from my human resources department and this time I’ll check the box “Do not deduct taxes from my paychecks.” Why didn’t I ever think of that before? /s
  
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  - liuther9@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Sad that it is hard to do simultaneously with majority of taxpayers. Feel like this is the only lever we have as community vs those in power
    
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  - Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You can actually do that. Read the W4 a little more closely.
    
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  - sobchak@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I’ve known people that have done that. They were very poor, and never stayed very long at their jobs, so nothing ever happened. As an mass organized thing, it could be an effective means of civil disobedience (Thoreau famously refused to pay taxes).
    
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Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Nuclear disarmament. Hasanabi Doctrine.

Arm the nations you want to be able to defend themselves, and disarm the ones you don’t.

The US will fall as soon as its nukes are removed or destroyed. Hopefully peacefully.

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Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Pres, VP, speaker being neutralized, along with Pentagon and military leadership.

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chosensilence@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Literally nothing lol. Nothing is going to be done nor can it.

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someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
For other countries? Nothing. There’s nothing they can do.

For citizens? Vote.

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- DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Nope. There won’t any be any more legit elections. Citizens are just fucked.
  
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- DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Oh and start organizing.
  
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- chosensilence@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  oh my god, shut the fuck up. voting is not going to eradicate fascism you abject moron.
  
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  - someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Gotta love attacks on suggesting to vote lol. Anyway reported abst moving on.
    
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