do you use non violent communication at the workplace?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨vestmoria@linux.community⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I learned what non violent communication is a day ago and I’m using it to mend a friendship.

Have you however used it at the workplace?

I find it unpractical: there are so many things to do at the workplace and the last thing stressed people with deadlines need is to have a conversation about feelings, but maybe I’m wrong?

A question for nurses working bedside: do you actually use non violent communication at your ward with your patients and actually have time to do your other duties, like charting, preparing infusions and meds, dealing with providers, insurance, the alcoholic who fights you, the demented one who constantly tries to leave the unit, the one who wants to leave ama (against medical advice)?

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db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Notable concepts include rejecting coercive forms of discourse, gathering facts through observing without evaluating, genuinely and concretely expressing feelings and needs, and formulating effective and empathetic requests.

Why the fucking fuck does that need a name? People incapable of such basic communication aren’t really going to be fixed by slapping a weird label on it.

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- masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Because once it has a name, it makes it easier to describe and reference in research literature, and thus makes it easier to draw conclusions on.
  
  Everything has some super specific name that professionals in some field use for it because they regularly need to distinguish it from other similar things.
  
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  - Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    We don’t call people non-golfers either.
    
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  - phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Great
    
    Use a different name as this has nothing to do with violence and it is unhelpful. Violence is physical and as soon as you make any inconvenience in communication “violence” then you just get lost in pedantic semantics.
    
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- CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It reminds me of people on LGBT forums going: “I’m a man, and I like women, but I don’t feel sexual attraction towards all of them, only the ones I feel a connection with; what are my labels?”…and needing to tell them “NORMAL! NORMAL IS YOUR LABEL!”.
  
  Meanwhile everyone is like “Oh, you’re ace+/romantic”…/sigh…
  
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  - Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    We really need to bring back the “it’s complicated” panel but for sexuality instead of relationships. We can just dump 90% of people in there and call it a day.
    
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  - CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Tribalism has run rampant. Stuff like this is fairly innocuous if a bit much. When people get militant about it then it becomes a problem.
    
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  - narr1@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
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- ValarieLenin@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Wait till you learn about how language works …
  
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- fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Well clearly it’s making OP think twice about it. I think it’s completely possible for people to lack some component of these communication skills simply because they haven’t had anything that brought them to their attention before.
  
  And to be fair, berating people who don’t understand these concepts doesn’t “fix” them either.
  
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cloudless@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
No I only communicate violently. /s

It is not unpractical. You don’t need to follow every bullet point for every conversation. In most cases a normal professional conversation just need to be respectful. Some of the non violent techniques are only important in specific situations (e.g. difficult colleague in a stressful scenario)

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remon@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
No, we often communicate via messages attached to arrows and occasionally someone gets hit.

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- hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Personally I prefer communicating by repeatedly punching coworkers and customers in order to send a message in morse code.
  
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  - Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Are you working at returns in retail?
    
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- Geodad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Nothing like pulling an arrow out of your arm or leg and seeing “fuck you” on an attached note. 😂
  
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phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I seriously dislike these somewhat new wording because it trivializes actual problems.

In this case it makes anything that isn’t sweet and nice and places it directly at the same severity as actual violence

For those that can’t distinguish between actual violence and hurt feelings, I don’t know what to tell you, but there is a huge difference between me breaking your bones and me breaking your heart

I’m not trying to negate shitty bosses or toxic work environments, not at all, but I hate that this is now called violence.

It’s the same as people calling everything rape. You’re staying out late in a hotel lobby with some people and when going back up in the elevator you ask the girl that was with you of she would like to join you for a nightcap? Yeah, raaaape! (This happened)

I get the point of it but I feel that the definition of this very “non violent communication” literally makes it “violence” within itself.

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- narr1@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  i really don’t know what you’re on about at the start, but exactly which definition of nonviolent communication literally makes nonviolent communication violence within nonviolent communication? i honestly can’t follow
  
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- dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Psychological violence is violence. It doesn’t matter if you disagree. Because you are wrong. I invite you to search online the stories of people who have been victimized and try to empathize with their lived experiences and emotions. If you cannot find this empathy and feel the urge to dismiss them as overreactions or as trivial, I suggest you seek psychiatric attention. Lack of empathy is the leading trait of sociopathy. Therapeutic and psychiatric treatment can help you to adapt well in a nonviolent manner to society.
  
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  - dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    So you choose violence eh? I invite you to practice what you are preaching so you don’t communicate like a violent sociopath.
    
    … or an insufferable and supercilious lemming.
    
    I don’t care who is “right” in a discussion about communication style, the last guy made some points in good faith and gave an opportunity for discussion, and instead of engaging you start suggesting this other person has mental problems?
    
    Stop being this way.
    
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- dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  The more I write about it in this thread the more I agree that “nonviolent communication” implies “violent communication” which feels like an equivalence between words and physical assault.
  
  I’m all for people communicating in a way that is civil, unambiguous, and direct, but this lexical appropriation sure sounds like manufactured fragility at best, or—as you say—a trivialization of physical violence.
  
  (And I sure hope — shows as an em-dash)
  
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Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
No. It seems like pointless “HR” talk. I try to be direct and dry with my communication and very neutral so personalities dont clash while working. Generally I have no conflicts at work and the few I have had I work through it and make no attempt to resolve anything.

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black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Maybe the reason why nonviolent communication seems foreign in the workplace is because there is violent communication inherent to the workplace relationship.

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dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Well, this is not something you do, as in a once and done action. Like, you don’t schedule a meeting to talk feelings. It’s an approach. The idea is to practice it consciously to reach the goal of just doing it spontaneously. Stressed people with deadlines are exactly the kind of people who can take advantage of and appreciate nonviolent communication. It can help teams in highly stressful circumstances reach high levels of performance while keeping dysfunctions from stress to a minimum. Angry, burnout and fatigued people are actually really lousy workers and the least effective overall. Dealing with negative feelings can help reduce these ill effects.

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jbrains@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Yes. I focus on making direct requests and on trying to understand the unmet needs of others. A large part of what I do is train people to believe that they can say “no” to me without arbitrary repercussions.

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dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
As it turns out… yes, although I was unaware that there was a codified definition for this. There are parts of this that I’m not doing, so thank you for linking such a useful resource!

IMO, doing this is really non-negotiable. Not behaving in this manner can be counterproductive at best, and land you in hot water with HR at the worst. People are on the lookout, and rightly so, for bias, discrimination, bullying, and malice. So having strong and warm relationships is important to make sure your worst days are not misinterpreted by others. This is even more crucial if you’re in management. Having a solid communication strategy is paramount to enabling the best in all relationships, and having a good experience for yourself at the same tie.

Going by the written-word on Wikipedia… yeah, this is a lot. I honestly think this is the kind of thing that goes better with practice, and maybe having a small note (phone, paper, whatever) with the critical points to hit, would make that easier than recalling two pages of instructions. You can also be up-front with people, explaining “I’m trying something new, please indulge me for a moment”. After all, who doesn’t mind getting extra care and attention?

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Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It sounds like a crock of shit for weasels who can’t look reality in the eye.

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- meekah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It sounds like someone hurt you and in turn you want to hurt others unnecessarily.
  
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  - Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    1/2. I calls em like I sees em.
    
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- Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  The whole point is to look reality in the eye without emotion in the way.
  
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Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Yes I do if I really need to clean the air or if I want something from the boss but I’m a factory worker so with my colleagues the need rarely arises. If it does it’s pretty funny to see how seamlessly you can actually switch between brutal workplace banter and sharing something genuine. It doesn’t have to take a lot of time if you’re upfront with it.

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bstix@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Humanistic psychology has a way to describe things in very long and broad manners that might sell a lot of books to schools, but contain very little practical information.

Also, they often use specific terms that can mean one thing in psychology but means something completely different to anyone in any other field, who have not studied the exact psychology book that they’re referencing.

It’s a lot simpler than described on wikipedia, and you do not have to discuss feelings with your co-workers.

The point of including your own feelings in the sentence is to turn to the topic away from fruitless chasing of logical arguments where there are none or they are irrelevant. It’s about taking personal ownership of the problem, so that you don’t claim that it is the other persons problem, even if they are the one who needs to do something in order to solve it.

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viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’s a nice concept for interpersonal relationships regardless of the setting, but it’s got limited applicability in a results driven setting.

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- sunzu2@thebrainbin.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Corporate has no room for this
  
  People will think you are trying to waste their time lol
  
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J52@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Isn’t it directly related to ‘non-violent conflict resolution’ ? Maybe people should look at that first to get a grasp. As for real world benefits look at the outcomes (effects) in schools (Netherlands and other places in the world where it’s already taught).

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caboose2006@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
At work you should be direct, and be polite. No need to bring feelings in.

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Regna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
So…

Do you always have deadlines?

Do you have time to have breaks (preferably with coworkers), at least two separate apart from lunch (one before lunch break and one after)?

Do your coworkers always talk about work during those breaks?

Bathroom breaks do not count, and you shouldn’t anyhow bother colleagues with feelings during bathroom breaks.

For 2 and 3, yes, it’s normal to talk about emotions and feelings, as long as you’re not overshadowing other peoples need to vent.

For 1, get a different job if you’re not constantly striving for heart attacks, kidney failures or brain strokes.

For 4, I was going to make a very dumb joke, but… change work place.
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Rumo161@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Im a social worker so i learnd to use it without thinking. It doesnt have to be complicated or exclusively emotional. I actualy think everybody in any situation would benefit from it.

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makeitwonderful@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I like this playlist of sessions by the creator of Nonviolent Communication for anyone interested in learning more about the concept.

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spittingimage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
No. We do hasty, vague and passive-aggressive communication.

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scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Just yesterday I was coaching someone on how to turn their demands into requests, so I guess yeah.

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corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
It’s charming to call some new communication style ‘non-violent’, as if it’s the first.

I learned to update in quick language in the army. I learned to argue a point in New Jersey.

In NJ, when I worked there, the staff of geniuses were incredibly passionate about doing a thing the best and right way. Sometimes the best route to achieving that wasn’t obvious ans a discussion would ensue. These would be obvious verbal heroism by the nerds in residence, but they only never argued the facts and the options; never the people.

It was effective and only sometimes needed a decision from above, and when everyone was done they didn’t hate each other.

I just don’t see where “I feel …” isn’t just slowing us down when time is short. But, if your environment has a surplus of time, then I hope you’ll see benefit from this idea.

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RBWells@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
No, but we don’t use violent communication. We use direct communication, and unfortunately sometimes CYA communication, though I push back on that.

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