What is in for the antivax in a government?

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I saw the whole RFK and CDC debacle, how the agency is being weaponized to be antivax, and I cannot for the life of me understand what is happening. What does RFK has to gain with stopping vacines? What does the government gains from it? It cannot be just for show political streght, is it? Just to say “ha, in your face!” and then cause huge troubles for themselves down the road? There must be something they will have right now. But what is it? Money? Contracts? Favours?

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starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
RFK has a business selling snake oil. All those at the root of the antivaxx movement (and iirc that’s only 7 people) have something to sell.

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DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The Right hates the idea of an effective government that works for the people. They will tell you the the New Deal was a failure even though FDR was elected four times.

RFK is a useful idiot. The richest are going to get great healthcare no matter what. But if they can break people’s idea that the government is there to help them, then the Right can break OSHA, laws that protect consumer rights, and anything else that keeps them from making more money.

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whyrat@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They’re working off of incorrect information & ideas. They think people will be better off not getting vaccinated. They genuinely think they’re doing a good thing. They don’t think we’ll have resurgences of diseases at any large scale because they don’t attribute the disappearance of those diseases to vaccines. They believe society will be relieved from some vaccine induced “side-effects” like increased autism (or 5G mind control… or whatever… it’s hard to keep track of their nonsense).

Since they accept the above falsehoods; they don’t need to “get” anything. They’re as certain stopping vaccinations will help the general population as I am that it will do harm. But some idiot(s) put them in charge so they get to execute on their campaign promises.

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- db2@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  They genuinely think they’re doing a good thing.
  
  No they don’t. Some are simply stupid, others are genuinely evil.
  
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  - givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They absolutely think they are doing good…
    
    Pretty unanimously, the most evil people to walk the planet all legitimately believe they’re the good guys.
    
    Almost no one sees themselves as a villain, that’s just how the human brain is wired.
    
    People not understanding this, is why evil shit keeps fucking happening.
    
    If you just keep writing them off as “villains” doing evil for the sake of evil, we’ll never learn how to stop it. That literally why they keep coming back.
    
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- meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  But they get validation. It’s not just that they think their ideas and information is correct. They are correct and doctors and entire industries are wrong or corrupt. That makes them smarter than those eggheads that went to school for sometimes a decade and have spent further decades with their face in a microscope. After decades of education and dedicated research somehow Cletus from BFE, Dumbfuckistan and Google was able to best them intellectually.
  
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- WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  And your explanation for the ones who always get the vaccines themselves but spread lies about how other people shouldn’t?
  
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  - shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Science has become political, projecting an antivax attitude resonates with the rubes. Nothing more to it.
    
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morphballganon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
A sicker population means more money for the executives that own medical facilities and insurance companies.

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Delta_V@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
eugenics

if the ~~people~~ human livestock who need medical treatment to live are allowed to die, then the babies of the survivors will be cheaper to maintain because they’ll need less medical treatment

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- towerful@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  “God will protect us. He has sent judgement on those unworthy” also contributes. Not directly eugenics, but damn fucking close
  
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Donjuanme@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Remember the death camps, weaponized viruss’ and population control they accused the left of doing?

Turns out it was projection the entire time

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MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s all about control.

If you can convince your cannon fodder to disregard their own health outcomes, you can convince them to go along with pretty much anything.

Then you just hand them their marching orders, and they comply, regardless of their personal consequences.

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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
They aren’t causing trouble for themselves as they will always have access to the vaccines that they need.

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MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s all just more of the MAGA crowds overwhelming need to “own the libs” at all costs. It’s kind of like the flat earth movement. It started off as a joke perpetuated by a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do, but once it grew to a certain point a bunch of people joined in who were too stupid to understand that it wasn’t supposed to be this serious. Now everyone in power is too embarrassed to try and undo any of the harm so they’re all just doubling down even though they know it’s all bullshit because they’d rather everyone think they were right even if it destroys society than to ever admit they might have made a mistake.

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Nougat@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
State sanctioned dilution of what it means for things to be true. It's not about the vaccines, it's about getting people to accept falsehoods.

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flandish@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
under capitalism, people just sick enough and certainly scared to be sicker, will not be healthy enough to do other things that may help them realize they don’t need to be exploited. it’s certainly not the only facet of how we are corralled into larger profits for the owners but it is one example.

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mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
There is scientific evidence that vaccines are extremely dangerous, particularly to those with a mutation called MTHFR. Myself and my producer, Neigsendoig, are a small piece of the proof for that, as we’ve become autistic as a result of vaccines.

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