Submitted 5 weeks ago by _number8_@lemmy.world to [deleted]
I think your average geek used to be like, somewhat academic and erudite and into arcane knowledge and had some level of good faith of wanting to engage in discussion
Now it’s all frauds and absolutely braindead elon stans and crypto dipshits and conservative freaks and people who enjoy and defend watching big tech destroy everything.
It happens in every industry: the passionate people who got in it for the love of the field get replaced by the people who see it as a lucrative business opportunity. Experts get replaced by salesmen.
The MBAs relentlessly seek power and money. I worked many years for a large hospital system that I watched yransform from clinician-run, with nurses, doctors, and social workers in almost all leadership positions, to MBA-run, with people with no clinical experience in almost all leadership positions. Everything just got worse and worse over time as decision after decision was made that compromised clinical integrity in favor of saving a few dollars. I don’t work there anymore
That accurately describes just about every industry and business in America. MBAs are the most overrated educational path in the world. The characteristics of a leech in human form.
See also:
Wall Street Profits Uber Alles
I have a weird optimism that grassroots tech might make a comeback after everything enshitifies. I got on here 6 months ago and it was so refreshing.
Crypto bros aren’t the geeks, they’re the popular kids who did well by cheating and copying off other people’s work. None of them actually helped make anything even vaguely useful, they memorized enough technical jargon to sound convincing and got lucky betting on digital ponzi schemes.
Sounds like marketing
If all you’re seeing are crypto bros, it says more about the media you consume. Serious technologists / engineers are out there, keeping the lights on.
Nothing happened to them. Those guys are still exactly the same.
The difference is that there’s a ton of money in that sector now so a bunch of greedy assholes moved in and now look like they’re the folks actually doing tech stuff.
Oh also, there’s always been a fair amount of legitimately crazy among tech people (we’re strange folk) and those voices get more amplification due to the idiots at the top.
It’s been true for a while now that if you speak with confidence people will listen to you.
It’s a tale as old as Capitalism. People who geek out about something do it because they enjoy it, then somebody finds a way to improve distribution of their work and suddenly there’s a skyrocket in demand. Vultures swoop in and suck out whatever life might be left in their passionate work to make it profitable, and then all the passion is gone.
“Tech bro” is the term used to describe those vultures. People who try to monetize the shit out of everything with an ounce of human soul in it. Passionate tech nerds are still out there, mostly in FOSS circles, some in hardware hobbyist circles building cool form factors for their own computers.
Honestly, odds are you’ll find passion only in someone who’s not looking to monetize.
I think it’s important to note the difference between “make a living to keep things going” vs. “I want to make ‘fuck you’ money.”
I have no problem with people who make a good product and seek donations or sell their product at a reasonable price.
Hell, take uBlock Origin. I’d easily pay $10 / month for this but they do not want money. So I do what they request and donate to the people who make the filters.
This is the first year in perhaps a decade I won’t be giving to the Mozilla Foundation because they are enshittifying their product. I wrote to them and told them why I won’t be donating. I don’t know if it will make a difference but I’m keeping an eye on them over the next year.
Tech bros like Bill Gates used open source communities like an all-you-can-monetize buffet to build a closed operating system. The rest is history.
What open source was in Windows?
I don’t have time to verify if the answer is in this link but it seems to be relevant
Just an example, in 2020, Microsoft bought npm, the Node Package Manager.
What open source was in Windows?
You’ll never know, if they get their way.
Tech geeks have actual autism.
Tech bros microdose so they can pretend they have autism.
What I think a lot of people fail to put together, is that this is the end-game of the early ideologies of the internet.
Think about internet piracy and the change from Napster to Bittorrent.
In the tech world, even since the early days, tech was seen as a way to route around bad laws. In the early days, copyright laws were viewed as overly draconian (they are, but that’s not the point), so piracy flourished by routing around the legal framework.
What has happened is the power and wealth of some people with those ideologies have grown so big, they now view all laws that prevent them from doing whatever the hell they want as “bad laws to route around.”
It can be seen at OpenAI where they knowingly used books3 to initially train their AIs, which was well known to have been sourced from piracy. OpenAI doesn’t care about the provenance of the data as long as they can legally route around the copyright issue and make a fuckton of money in the process.
Anyway, it’s a deeply libertarian ideology that was accidentally spurred from earlier, more anarchist ideologies, within the tech community. I would peg tech nerds from the 90s as more anarchist, and tech nerds of the modern era as having bought into the technolibertarianism that began to grow out of it.
You emphasized the words well known but provide no links to back that up because I’ve never known
huggingface.co/datasets/…/the_pile_books3
This dataset is Shawn Presser’s work and is part of EleutherAi/The Pile dataset.
This dataset contains all of bibliotik in plain .txt form, aka 197,000 books processed in exactly the same way as did for bookcorpusopen (a.k.a. books1). seems to be similar to OpenAI’s mysterious “books2” dataset referenced in their papers. Unfortunately OpenAI will not give details, so we know very little about any differences. People suspect it’s “all of libgen”, but it’s purely conjecture.
I say “well known” because it was literally in the description when it was initially uploaded to the internet. It was always right out in the front that this was all the ebooks from private torrent tracker Bibliotik. Shawn Presser/books3 never lied about where it came from.
Pick your favorite tech company, pick a small team with a “nerdy” engineering mandate, and I’m confident you’ll find the academic, geeky science and engineering types you’re talking about.
They probably aren’t very vocal though, because 1) there’s a huge PR/marketing budget which is responsible for being the face of the company, and 2) well…these are nerdy STEM folks who probably like their job because they get very well compensated to be nerdy STEM types, and not because they’re fanboys/girls.
That sounds not much different from the tech bros back then. The vast majority of them were always posers. Anyone with any talent has made their money by now and dropped out of the rat race, the rest of them are either in middle management or drunk themselves to death.
Crypto bros are a subset of the cryptocurrency community. Some of us managed to make enough money to retire, and now we spend our days contributing to open source projects
When things shifted from being proud of server uptimes to being proud of constant push notifications and constant pointless updates, that’s when the tide turned. Engineers lost, MBAs won, and now customers suffer. It’s all subscriptions and lootbox mentality now.
I’m guessing somewhere around 2010, but it was a gradual relentless process.
Speaking of enshittification, I brought my nephew to an arcade last weekend as a birthday treat. I’m not going to get into the whole “the games are just cell phone games on gigantic screens”, there are a handful of games that are still fun and worth the tokens to play. But the worst thing I didn’t expect to see was this motorcycle racing game. It was your standard sit-and-lean motorcycle game with a throttle etc. But the surprise was that after swiping the card to play, after you choose your motorcycle, you get the option to swipe again for extra boosts. There were micro transactions. In the arcade motorcycle game. I was so mad.
Didn’t games have “pay money to get extra lives” since forever?
Engineers lost, MBAs won
This is sadly so, so true. (from an engineer)
I’m a techbro from the late 90s and early 00s. We’re all still here living out beat lives, making money offthe newest hypes, and then going home to chat on IRC and fiddle around with our old, fun protocols.
This, but be safe. Wrap it in TLS.
We still exist, but you gotta look. Tech has gotten a lot more mainstream since the 90s.
Your view if tech bros is largely from YouTube. On the ground it's still a ton of really smart people with real engineering degrees working really hard. Brogrammers are much more common, but they are still widely regarded as a scourge.
In the past you had to actually be smart to be a “tech bro”. The barrier of entry was higher.
Now any dipshit can get online and start being a “tech bro”.
It’s basically the same as the enshitification of the internet. Used to take some effort to get online. Now any dipshit can do it.
Tech bros before tech hoes, right chat?
My therapist said to stop talking like a streamer chat is this real?
There’s always been frauds and dipshits. I had a front row seat to the dot com boom and bust and it was not dissimilar to the bollocks going on now. Except the richest people made OS/hardware (Gates, Jobs) or were traditional investors (Buffet)…
kadup@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
cerement@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
Steve Wozniak was the tech geek
Steve Jobs was the techbro
doofusmagoo@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Aaron Swartz was the tech geek Thar jackass sp*z is the tech bro.
:(
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Exactly.
Wozniak did the real work, he was an actual computer engineer and programmer.
Jobs was literally the fucking marketing guy who made his entire career about how marketing guys ruin companies.
BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
This guy fucks 🫡
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
In VR