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I have been told ever since I was a little shit that when you die you go to heaven first wait in line for St Peter to judge you at the pearly gates? Is this in the Bible? I thought god did judging

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  • TootSweet@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nope. Lots of stuff commonly believed by Christians isn’t from the Bible. (Though sometimes they’ll do a lot of mental gymnastics to assert that what they believe is from “the only reasonable interpretation” of the Bible.)

    Just a few other things commonly believed by Christians not (or at least only dubiously) from the Bible:

    • The seven deadly sins
    • The nine circles of hell
    • The seven levels of heaven
    • Transubstantiation
    • The trinity
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    • Bassman1805@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Transubstantiation is kind of in the Bible. Matthew 26:26-28

      While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

      Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

      The discussion of transubstantiation is just how literal “my body/blood” is.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Transubstantiation is the doctrine that it ceases being bread and wine. Which St Paul kind of debunks in his first letter to the Corinthians at Chapter 11, where he refers to it as bread.

        “For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”

        What you’re talking about is consubstantiation, which is where the body and blood physically coexist in the bread and wine, which can be derived from the Bible.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a surprising amount of modern Christian lore that actually comes from The Divine Comedy, the granddaddy of all ascended fanfic.

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      • Droechai@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t forget Paradise Lost, also a great hit

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    • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That humans eventually become angels.

      Though, there was one human who did, in an apocryphal book. And then was elevated yet again to being a second diety; there were apparently strains of Christianity which were DUOtheistic! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch

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      • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Matthew 20:30

        “At resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”

        I think that’s where the sentiment comes from. It’s explicit in Mormonism (I think). In mainstream Christianity the saved don’t become angels, they become like angels.

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      • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Want a rabbit hole of apocryphal knowledge, start digging into gnosticism. It’s like more internally consistent Christianity. Also depending on which flavor and particular interpretation, you could arrive at such truths as: Satan runs the church. God(old testament) is an asshole and a fool. Jesus (specifically the divine aspect Christ) is on a rescue mission to save God’s mom, Sophia, from the prison world that is earth, that God made specifically to trap her. Judas is a tragic hero who has to kill his friend, Jesus, so that Christ can escape the prison world.

        It’s wild, it’s a more interesting story than Christianity, and I can ABSOLUTELY see why most of these books were branded heresy.

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    • Zozano@lemy.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      my favourite misbelief is that people are already in heaven, and that hell is a ‘place’.

      What the bible claims will happen: second coming of Jesus happens; believers are ressurected, believers are raptured, and then war breaks out. Jesus fucks off with the angels and everyone left on Earth is “in hell” (permanently seperated from God).

      Everything about hell being a demonic underworld is from Dante’s Divine Comedy.

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      • scbasteve7@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh so we are all already in hell. Got it.

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    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I love transubstantiation. It’s basically mandatory to believe it to be a catholic. A lot don’t understand it though. But if you find one that does, ask them to explain why it’s not cannibalism.

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      • superkret@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, you see, Jesus is all god, but also all man. And we literally eat his flesh.
        But it isn’t cannibalism because … look it just isn’t, OK?
        What a weird fucking question!

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    • Live_your_lives@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is much more of a list of stuff commonly believed by Catholics, not so much by Christianity as a whole.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Trinity is clearly taught in the Bible. Sure, not in explicit Athanasius creed form, but Jesus even said “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19).

      Notice how “Name” is singular, implying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one thing, or at least equal. Jesus is referred to as God, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are also. And it’s made clear that there is one God. The Athanasius Creed is just the Trinity clearly defined in a single text. Clarifying interpretation (like the Nicene Creed).

      Seven deadly sins are based off of various sins listed in the Bible, but most of it has kind of been overhyped and overemphasized. It’s useful for giving a rough idea of what sin is, but it’s been meddled with over time.

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    • T156@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fire and Brimstone Hell is also commonly believed, but not actually in the bible, if I recall right.

      Most of the punishment around Hell in the Bible is less about Hell itself, and more about not being able to enter Heaven and join God, and all of that, as oppose to Hell itself being punishment.

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    • Death_Equity@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The seven heavens is an extension of the seven named heavens of Judaism. Islam also has seven named heavens.

      There is a reference to a third heaven in the Bible and a reference of ten heavens in a book that was not included by the Council of Nicaea.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So is “God helps those who help themselves”

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      • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The sentiment is there though…

        2 Thessalonians 3:10 “While we were with you, this we commanded you: If someone won’t work, then neither shall they eat”

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  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So, Peter at the gates comes from a more or less literal interpretation from the passage where Jesus was making Peter the first pope. “To you I hand the keys to the kingdom of heaven….”

    What Jesus was saying is that Peter got to decide who was in the Blood Ritual Cannibal Club,

    Keep in mind, the books were written well after Jesus died, and the scriptures weren’t canonized until 300 years later; at the council of Nicaea- which was called specifically to “unify” the church. A lot of the choices about what was canon or not was specifically made to protect the bulk of the bishop’s authority (by drawing a straight lineage of succession from Peter.)

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah. The Holy Bible. Literal word of God.^(Edited and abridged by man.)

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      • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly, the whole thing becomes a LOT more intriguing when you start adding back in the non-canon books. And I can totally see why the church deemed them heretical in a lot of cases, they pretty well fly in the face of a powerful centralized church, and if you’re in power, seeking to maintain it, it only makes sense to destroy them.

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  • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    St Peter doesn’t judge you! He’s always depicted with a book that already contains the judgements. He has no real authority.

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    • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wonder if enough technicians go to heaven if the pearly gates can be automated and St Peter could finally retire.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Imagine being sent to hell over a database error

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      • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        THE FACTORY MUST GROW

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      • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        St Peter gets laid off, and unionises the other saints to go on strike.

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    • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It comes from Matthew 16

      15 “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”

      16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

      17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

      [end quote]

      So, yes, authority to “bind and loose” in heaven and on earth. How that’s supposed to work alongside it being Jesus separating the sheep from the goats is anyone’s guess.

      The reason this takes place at the “pearly gates” is because the new Jerusalem descending from heaven in Revelation is described as having giant pearls for gates.

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    • Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He just checks the no fly list.

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  • Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve never heard about Peter judging or the gates etc. in all my religious upbringing and didn’t realize this was an actual belief.

    I just knew this pearly gates thing as a movie cliché, from Tom and Jerry to modern shows copying that idea.

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  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even “the bible” isn’t “the bible”.

    “Protestant Bibles have only 39 books in the Old Testament, however, while Catholic Bibles have 46.” source

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Neither of these mention St Peter at the pearly gates, though. The biggest addition the Apocrypha makes is a record of someone praying for the dead. Protestants generally still do recognise the Apocrypha, but just as historical records and not authoritative, hence not a part of the Bible.

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      • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In Matthew 16 Jesus gives Peter the “keys to the kingdom” and in Revelation the new Jerusalem has pearls for gates. That’s where it comes from.

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    • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Every denomination has a different Bible, with different books they consider Canon. For instance, the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo church has a staggering 81 books. They consider the book of Enoch canon, which almost every other denomination considers apocryphal. Interestingly, the book of Enoch corroborates a lot of information from other apocryphal texts, such as the origin of nephilim.

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  • Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Aren’t you staying dead for millenia until the second comming and the judgement day ? To my understanding the reason why Christian burry their dead rather than burning them is that they need to resurrect on jugement day

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    • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Many Christians cremate.

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      • gramie@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There was a time, not that long ago, when cremation was not an option for Catholics. At some point, the church changed its mind. Maybe in the seventies or eighties?

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  • Adderbox76@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even the big guy needs middle-management sometimes.

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  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    this is my favorite explanation, by Leslie mann, of the role of St. Peter:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqwgEk_zPZI?t=07

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, not at all. God does the judging.

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    • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Matthew 19:28

      Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

      [end quote]

      Whether “12 tribes of Israel” here is figurative of the global church or not, there still definitely some role in judgement delegated out to the apostles.

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      • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Interesting

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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    • betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …the St. Peter part is made up…

      Which stands in stark lack of contrast with the rest of the bible.

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