Is this…Mongolian propaganda? Because the Kahns definitely did a whole lot of subjugating, raping and murdering. Not sure that really fits the “coexist” meme…
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CherenkovBlue@lemmy.myserv.one 2 months ago
scbasteve7@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The meme format doesn’t really work, but the joke they’re trying to make is that even though they did all these terrible things, it was never because of religion. In fact, they just didn’t give a fuck in what you believed in. Genghis even allowed religious figures to be exempt from taxation.
leisesprecher@feddit.org 2 months ago
And let’s be honest: the Mongolians were probably not worse than any other invader. War, destruction, looting and raping is kind of par for the course for most civilizations in history.
Haagel@lemmings.world 2 months ago
Modern Mongolia, perhaps. The Golden Horde of Genghis Khan was not so tolerant!
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 months ago
The way I hear it told, Genghis Khan liked all types of women. 😉
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It was mixed. Their subjects were more free to travel, practise religions, and generally exist within the empire than without it. It was just that transition. The Mongols liked to do things the easy way, or the really easy way.
Sundial@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Genghis Khan: Are you good at killing and terrorizing my enemies? Yes? Ok, see those fuckers over there? Conquer them. I don’t care how. Burn it all down. Re-route an entire river. I just want them paying tribute.
TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I find it interesting how the Mongolian empire has kind of taken a 180 in its historical image. Not long ago they were viewed as just cartoon villains that destroyed everything. But now you see so many people talking about some of the “good” aspects that it almost makes them seem strangely benevolent.
The reality of course was that they were an empire, and like all empires they steamrolled and destroyed anything that stood in their way while taking advantage of anything that furthered their goals. They probably killed far more people than they helped if you asked anyone living through the time.
Dan Carlin’s podcast, Hardcore History, has a series called Wrath of the Khans where he talks about this in length and it’s very interesting to think about.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
from my understanding , it’s a chain of
You see that village over there? they resisted. we burnt everything , killed every man and child, and raped all the women.
See the other village over there? they joined us, and we gave them access to goods from across the world, the latest technology and treat them better than their previous rulers.
Your choice.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I will be your best friend, then work hard in my lab to create a new unstoppable virus that puts an end to multicellular life on this planet.
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
When people think about Rome they usually imagine the roads and the aquaducts and not so much the crucifixions and the slavery.
I think it’s important to keep both aspects in mind.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yeah, the Mongolians front-loaded most of their ateocities. Rome was more of a slow burn
TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, they might imagine one specific crucifixion
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 months ago
China doesn’t want friends. That’s why they built a wall to keep those friendly Mongols out.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 2 months ago
God damn Mongolians keep breaking down my city wall!!
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They were also great environmentalists who did a lot to fight global warming.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Kwarazm Iran got a lil desertified, but that’s what you get for killing mongol envoys.
samus12345@lemmy.world 2 months ago
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 months ago
Ghost of Sushi is such a masterpiece magnum opus of an amazing fucking game.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I can’t wait for Ghost of Sushi 2: Nigiri wa oishii desu
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
So, that’s a honey badger in a capy disguise?
capital@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Atheists: Us too, right?…
roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As long as you pay them tribute, they don’t give a fuck.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Really? They’re all cute except the Muslims?
SilentFury@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Excuse you, that gator is fucking adorable
Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lmao
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why are they so wonderful?
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
China enters the chat
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Ah yes, mongols, known for their gentle and easy going temperament.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When it comes to religion, yes. When it comes to governance, lol
enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
(As per K&G youtube channel) I learned that when it comes to believe system, the Mongols believe that everyone worships the same god, but in varied way in every culture/religion they encounter.
They believe that as long as everyone submit themselves under the Mongol rule, it means they obey Tengri/Mongolian god.
There are various religious communities inside the empire but they also don’t bother to do the worst thing possible to obliterate anyone who doesn’t submit to Mongol, regardless their believe.
But I think in a smaller level it’s also not as simple/straightforward as that. Mongolian Shamans also known to have conflicts with the Khan. Sometimes the Khan kept asking the Shamans to do a ritual over and over again until the result aligns with the Khan’s desire. Or sometimes the Shaman (being a regarded class in their society) have their own political motive to do something against the Khan.
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Also known for inventing the phrase “lend me your ear”.