Don’t worry I’m here for every delicious bit of drama.
As an anarchist this is me on a good day. I more often find myself in the middle getting shit on from both directions.
Watching ml and world argue in every thread be like.
Submitted 2 months ago by tron@midwest.social to [deleted]
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Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Probably because there are more CCP pretending to be anarchists than actual anarchists on Lemmy.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sorry, you’re all getting techno-feudalism.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I want to argue but… I’m currently arguing with a company that won’t cancel a fraudulent order despite me having every single piece of information needed to do so. So they will get a chargeback after my card is replaced. Really trying to help them but they want that money lol
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And then they’ll try to charge you to send it back even though it’s their fault.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I vibe with both anarchists (cool, helpful) and communists (smart, boring). Liberals drive me crazier everyday.
kofe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It depends for me. The labels aren’t really useful if I don’t know the person. One kid I interacted with over a few months said enough in line with fascism that I call him that. Someone just telling me they’re communist, anarchist, liberal isn’t enough to really get their actual beliefs, given how much overlap and misuse of the terms there is. I will generally vibe with a more left leaning person, of course, so if any of those labels are used I’m like, cool, we’ll probably have good conversations. Even conservatives I’m opening up to. Republicans? My God. I blame my mental illnesses on that brain rot.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A room filled with Liberals. Liberals drive me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once.
Juice@midwest.social 2 months ago
You have to learn to distinguish cool liberals, who are for individual freedom, democracy, progressive society; from the bad liberals who always side with private property against those things. The people in the first category are just confused; the people in the second category are actual class enemies. I acknowledge that these aren’t discreet categories and there will be some overlap, but winning people to your ideas slowly, over time – because these ideas are based in their material reality, which they need to test against their existing views – is the only way to get through to people. Sometimes the process is quicker, sometimes its slow, but its the only way to help people see the world for what it really is, and that together we can actually bring the fight to the ruling class.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said. I still get frustrated sometimes though!
DeanFogg@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Oh I’m sorry have a offended you by being PRO LIBERTY? No, you know what? Stop posting then since you hate liberty so much
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I genuinely don’t know how to take this comment. Is it serious? Is it ironic? I’ve dealt with a lot of angry liberals today, so I feel it could be serious. On the other hand it’s giving ::Randy Marsh in handcuffs:: and so I think it might be a bit.
socsa@piefed.social 2 months ago
Liberalism is such a Boogeyman term on "the left." Classical liberalism is very compatible with lib left ideals, and in many ways informs that philosophical lineage. Everyone gets wrapped up in the idea of private property being a core value, when it is really a corollary hanging off the core value of rights for the individual. Property or no property, the core idea is scarcity harm reduction. There are many ways to get there, and the best ones agree that licking some authoritarian boot is a terrible way to liberate people.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I’m not talking about “Liberalism”, I’m talking about “liberals”. They aren’t driving me crazy because of some obscure philosophical tenets, though “scarcity harm reduction” might do it.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
More like:
Westerner < Westerner
CCP Instigator
There is no real Liberal and Communist strife or violence. Only bad actors attempting to create political divisions in places they don’t belong.
InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Not just CCP, Russians too.
I’m sure our conservatives would join in if their grandkids would help them get their facesbook working on the TV again.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The CCP trolls are laughably untalented compared to Russians. You just have to ask a CCP troll to say one bad thing about China and watch them short circuit.
Russians are dangerous because they can criticize Russia. Their goal is to make you think EVERYONE is shit, and therefore don’t bother voting. It’s a much more subtle and effective form of propaganda.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Do anarchists still exist anymore? I know it’s a fun name tag to wear, but I’m finding very few actual “practicing” anarchist organizations.
Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
We do! In my area there are quite a few of us and we operate a number of collectives providing things like: Free meals Free groceries Bike repair workshops Theory reading groups Clothing Social activities
Of course there’s a lot of direct action going on for various causes.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hell yeah, this is a principled anarchist.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 months ago
anarchist organizations
shneancy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
yeah those exist. Anarchists oppose hierarchies, not meet ups
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Real Anarchism is when you just run around in a big circle waving your hands and shouting “This is Anarchy”
Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Depends on what you mean by anarchists. Average Americans think anarchism is lawless violence. It isn’t, and there are plenty of anarchists today.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you listen to David Graeber everyone is an anarchist
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 months ago
YMMV depending on country. In the US you can find at least a handful of named anarchist organizations in any given state. Many anarchist or libertarian organizations keep it on the DL for a multitude of reasons. You may have better luck finding groups under the monikers of communalist, x or y federation, social ecologist, or just plain ole socialist. Mutual aid networks, food not bombs chapters, and IWW chapters are other spaces a lot of anarchists occupy. Many anarchists still stick to affinity groups and the like as well so, while they may be out there and active, it’s likely you’ll never hear about them. Further muddying the waters there’s also the concept of social insertion where anarchists support local movements and encourage (but don’t attempt to force) the popular movement to develop in a more libertarian fashion. Some big names in the libertarian milieu in the US are the symbiosis network and moneyless society. The black rose anarchist federation is another one I’ve seen around.
That said, it’s still hard to find other anarchists in a lot of areas. I’ve been on the hunt for a while and haven’t had any luck in my area. The closest I have is a food not bombs chapter in my city but they’re all a bunch of zionist soc-dems. 🤷 They do good work but I don’t want to be the only anarchist in the group haha. I’ll be handing out zines and fliers at the pride parade in a few weeks in the hopes of starting a reading group and hopefully an explicitly anarchist org in my city
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
food not bombs chapter in my city but they’re all a bunch of zionist soc-dems.
That’s news to me.
Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Honestly! We need more Mutualists and Syndicalists!
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
anarachist orgs are like a centralized lemmy instance.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
in my country its mostly MLs. it tends to be that way in the 3rd world.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Ew, eat with your mouth closed!
LengAwaits@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Call yourself whatever you want, at the end of the day we’re all utopianists who’re overly self-assured that our favorite pet-theory-system will eventually remove all suffering.
“If my vision for society were adopted, the world would be perfect!”
Keep dreaming. We’re fucked.
lugal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Literally Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Most honest thing I’ve read this year.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
If you too want to get out of the liberal vs communist showdown and smoke weed on the side come to slrpnk.net where only our memes community has liberals and communists fighting in the comments.
istanbullu@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
lemmy.world mods look at reddit for inspiration.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
I say let the authoritarians tear into each other while the anarchists unite
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Liberal here: I propose a temporary truce with the tankies and nazis so we can all laugh at the anarchists trying to unite
deaf_fish@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Always trying to truce with the tankies and nazis, but the tankies end up executing you and the nazis always send you to the camps. Who could have predicted this?
Juice@midwest.social 2 months ago
Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, colorized
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
as a dbzer9 instance user myself, yeah pretty much.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I enjoy it too but not for political reasons but just for the sake of drama
socsa@piefed.social 2 months ago
From my view the entire problem with .ml is that the anarchists there don't realize that MLs are not allies.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Where’s the vegan who feeds their cat vegan cat food, the vegan cat food manufacturer, etc?
barsquid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Wait did the manufacturer appear in one of those threads? That’s fantastic drama.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No, there’s just now a shitposting community related to vegan catfood.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Maybe I am missing something with this but anarchists are hated both by communists and liberals. If they see the anarchists, they’d also gang up on the latter lol.
Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Which is dumb as Mutualism is just better.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Me just standing in the corner with my semi-syndicalist semi-reconciliationist model of parliamentary democracy based around a Multi-Seat District version of STAR Voting.
I’m not a regular at parties…
socsa@piefed.social 2 months ago
Me, having actually read some political science in the past 100 years realizing that all scarcity politics is different forms of harm reduction anyway:
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Tbf most scarcity in this production era is artificial scarcity.
Housing crisis for example. There’s more unoccupied units than unhoused people total, not even unhoused family units, unhoused people.
A property tax structure which disincentivizes holding unoccupied property would cause housing prices to plummet.
Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I vibe with that as a Mutualist that advocates for Ranked Choice Voting and Multi Member Proportional voting.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 months ago
how do people feel about .ee?
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Don’t even know what it stands for. I don’t recall feeling a strong specific vibe from .ee people. By vibe I mean, I see a lot of people from that instance giving a vibe. Explaining it is complicated, so I won’t try, but based on some instances I feel there is a general feeling of how users may feel about certain topics, but .ee isn’t one I have any baseline for.
Amanduh@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yo whattup we vibin, after my kbin instance died I found lem.ee
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Ideologies on sale? I think I’ll grab one later. Can’t decide on money problems, queues or endless plenaries yet
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Something something that’s not the definition of a political anarchist.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 months ago
When I was an edgy teen, I claimed to be an anarchist because chaos was cool.
As an adult I discovered my political ideaologies literally are anarchistic.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Nihiled it.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
average political nihilist experience