At least it isn’t email or SMS MFA.
MFA
Submitted 1 year ago by alyth@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 year ago
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Or email OFA. Burger King, Popeyes (I know they are the same company), and just a bit ago, BuyMeACoffee. They let you enter a password; fuck if I know what their requirements are. No tooltip, no failure text. 60 char with special chars? Nope. (a few moments later) 20 chars with no special chars? Nope. Fuck it, let’s try 2FA. Get seed, generate code code to page (on phone), first box, paste. ONLY THE FIRST NUMBER PASTES AND MY KEYBOARD CLOSES. SCREAMS
(only factor authentication)
drolex@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Nothing compared to BOFA, which is arguably even worse and a lot more stupid
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
My bank requires SMS mfa
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Why?
Totp is easier, cheaper, and more secure. It makes no sense to go with SMS.
viking@infosec.pub 1 year ago
My bank has its own authenticator app, which doesn’t work on my phone. Piece of crap. They now enabled fingerprint login without additional 2FA somehow, and I can also authorise payments with biometrics. Only to change my limits, update address etc. I have to use the app (on an old Pixel 3a as a standby device just for this purpose).
Limonene@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I agree with this sentiment. Steam notably falls into the third category, while otherwise being pretty good.
But I’m quite disgusted now seeing an image of a Yubikey for the first time. I’ve heard so many good things about them that it’s a major disappointment to see now that they use that awful noncomplaint shape of USB plug.
There are two very important reasons for the metal shield around USB plugs: 1. For ESD protection, and 2. to hold the receptacle’s tongue in place and prevent it from bending away and losing contact. Every USB device I’ve owned that was a flat plug (like this Yubikey image in this post) has within a month deformed the USB receptacle it’s plugged into to the point that the device no longer works in that port. Compliant USB devices still work in that port’s deformed receptacle, because they have a correct metal shield that bends the tongue back into the correct position.
alvvayson@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yubikey also has usb-c versions with compliant plugs.
bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
YubiKeys have almost every imaginable form factor these days. Here’s the USB-C version without NFC:
flames5123@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah I have an even smaller USB-C one. It sticks out less than 0.5cm from the port.
Nyfure@kbin.social 1 year ago
No problems with yubikeys or the receptacle they are plugged into yet.. no idea what you do while these sticks are plugged in.. doesnt seem like a major concern per the reviews
018118055@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I’ve had my ubikey fido2 token knocking around on my keychain for about 7 years now. Scratched and beaten, not bent and works perfectly.
anyhow2503@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It is kind of annoying that Steam doesn’t enable the usage of third-party OTP apps. To be fair, when they first implemented the feature, that wasn’t widely used and plenty of websites only enabled the use of one specific OTP app like Authy or Google Authenticator. They recently added a QR code login feature, which makes sense, but that still shouldn’t stop them from enabling MFA via third party OTP apps.
lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Some third party apps allow you to import your Steam OTP, such as Gnome Authenticator
However to obtain it in the first place you need to either use SteamDesktopAuthenticator (GitHub), an android emulator on your PC, or a rooted device to export your key…
vox@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
iirc it’s possible to somehow export the secret key used by steams 2fa
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It absolutely is, the issue is that most mfa apps spit out 6 character outputs, while Steam requires 5.
cafeinux@infosec.pub 1 year ago
It is actually possible to use Aegis for Steam, that’s what I do. It’s a pain to setup if you’re not rooted (I think you need to use an Android emulator on a computer IIRC) but it’s possible. Look at https://github.com/beemdevelopment/Aegis/wiki/Adding-Steam-to-Aegis-from-Steam-Desktop-Authenticator Steam is still very welcome to go fuck themselves with their shitty app, though.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
can we please make shitty MFA illegal? Where is the EU and the US government when you need them.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Uuuuugh. I just had this problem after dropping my phone. Can’t log into the phone without the phone being logged in. Solution: disable 2fa on a logged in device. If I can disable it from another device why can’t I verify it from another device? This is so broken!
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
my favorite instance of google MFA was when i went to log into my google account for some reason. Google hit me with the MFA, cool whatever, i’ll MFA, google does the usual “heres how we do it because we give you no options because fuck you” and im like, cool, ok just gotta wait for this to work.
And then it proceeds to not work, at all. Thanks google, very cool. Fortunately, i had a secondary auth app setup so i used that, and it worked, weird how that works huh? BTW, it wasn’t sms, it’s googles integrated android MFA service, which as far as i can tell, is literally a fucking requirement to using MFA.
Also, i remembered again, that logging into my google account, automatically logs me into every google account i have. Yknow, because security. Anybody know how to disable that one btw? Google seems to be an endless labyrinth of options everytime i try and do something with it so.
Thrydwulf@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Wait, can you eli5 why multifactor authentication (MFA) (and maybe also 2-factor authentication apps) is “fuck off” levels?
Is it privacy concerns or something bigger like more points of failure for overall security? Or smaller like not every one has/wants a smart phone?
FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 1 year ago
If I read it correctly the “fuck off” level refers to some proprietary app for the selected login. The other two are standard code app and yubikey.
jodanlime@midwest.social 1 year ago
This is also how I read the meme. Codes are fine, tokens are fine. Your proprietary spyware app is NOT fine (Microsoft) and I hope you get fucked.
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was reading it as “it never fucking works right” LMAO
Bezier@suppo.fi 1 year ago
I already have an authenticator app. If some service wants to force me to install their own app for their login, they are indeed welcome to fuck off.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Standard authenticator (software or hardware) are, well, standard. You can pick anything compliant and use it with any compliant service. Requiring a specific app means that you have to install yet another app, which may or may not be well made, and may or may not snoop on you, and usually will only work with one service, assuming you have a compatible device to run it to begin with.
It’s more than an inconvenience; not insurmountable, but way more work than just having a standard thing that works perfectly well and is based on known and proven algorithms.
BluesF@lemmy.world 1 year ago
At work usually I can login without any input thanks to SSO, but occasionally it will ask for a security check. The default is to press a notification in outlook on my work phone, which I only ever use when travelling, so it’s invariably off… 🙄
walden@sub.wetshaving.social 1 year ago
My work has something similar, but I can change the default.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My brain needs to boot faster. Took me far too long to figure out that wasn’t Mother Fucking Authentication, and was instead more likely Multi-Factor
krondo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You are doing gods work sir!
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Sorry, as IT person I have to disagree, app based MFA is just way much easier to maintain instead of HW keys.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 year ago
If you want to install software on my personal device with elevated privileges then I’ll just use a different service than you’re shitty low effort maintained trash.
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Company device of course. Like mentioned, in IT, I want nothing to do with users personal phones
mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Re-writing a 6-digit code is easier than tapping a USB device?
bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’re talking about operationally. They don’t want to configure and distribute a bajillion dongles to users.
derpgon@programming.dev 1 year ago
Open an app, find the one number for your specific app among the bajillion you have, oh the timer is almost out and you forgot halfway through, tap back in the app, oh the fucking app scroll all the way to the top again.
HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Often times, yes. I don’t want to always have to have a USB key on me, but I always have access to MFA apps via my phone, watch, or laptop. I have no idea why you’re typing the code out instead of copying and pasting.
daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Pretty sure he’s talking about mfa that just asks for confirmation whether that’s you logging in on the phone. No typing required.
MSids@lemmy.world 1 year ago
App-based TOTP are not phishing resistant and do not require any level of proximity to the login session. The future is more likely passkeys that use device TPMs.
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Simple challenge number handles that, for example Azure AD MFA forces that today
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Fuck Duo authenticator and its proprietary ass shit
burgers@toast.ooo 1 year ago
im definitely an idiot but i couldn’t figure out at all how to make a yubikey work with a keepass database on android
2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Yubikey is only really useful for authentication with a trusted party, and not decryption. You can technically use store a secret key on it but then its two biggest advantages are gone, namely that you can’t copy the key and that it doesn’t use the limited storage on the device.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The yubikey can perform a hmac using a secret (supposedly) only available to the key’s internals. This is used in addition to the password, so that knowledge of the password without the key, or the key without knowledge of the password, can’t be used to decrypt the database. It’s kind of a half second factor (I know it’s not technically correct to call it that, but I hope you get the idea).
It’s also in their doc (that they use challenge/response): keepassxc.org/docs/ and is even featured on yubico’s website, which is somewhat weird but why not: www.yubico.com/works-with-yubikey/…/keepassxc/#te…
The issue GP had is probably that the keepass app does not support it on Android.
hungprocess@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
This works for me on KeepassXC, and it looks like Yubico has instructions for original Keepass.
warm@kbin.earth 1 year ago
Passkeys gonna fix all this bullshit.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 year ago
No they fucking won’t. You know that websites are going to be massive throbbing cocks about it.
"Due to security issues, passkeys for our service must be kept in <Company name>® Secure Passkey App™
baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Your device has been rooted and therefore cannot be supported.”
warm@kbin.earth 1 year ago
Fair enough!
suzune@ani.social 1 year ago
Passkeys are an open standard. You need to install a Webauthn-compliant supplicant that talks to the browser. The supplicant can be anything, as long as it does the required protocol. The browser doesn’t care.
At the moment the browsers are the main problem. They need to open their APIs properly.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Please make your device unsecure to give your account the illusion of security.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Agreed
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
MFML.
cooopsspace@infosec.pub 1 year ago
SMS: Here is your 30s “MFA” code, I’ll send it to you 40 minutes after you need it.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
SMS isn’t even secure. Mitm, social engineering, straight up theft, and more are all ways around it. It should never have been implemented, but especially not when totp exists.
Opisek@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What I despise most in when SMS is not just optional but forced upon me as “backup” to TOTP. “Lost your authenticator app? Send an SMS instead.” How about no?
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Dude.
My wife’s phone started acting up the other day. It would keep losing cell service and even when it showed a signal, it still would only work on wifi.
That happened a few hours after I ported my phone number (on the same family plan) to another carrier. So naturally, I thought the issue was with the carrier.
Since I planned on porting her number out to my new carrier anyway, I didn’t want to troubleshoot.
Well, get to the new carrier and it’s still not working. Go through the whole process of resetting network settings, and then eventually deleting the esim.
New carrier, though, needs you to receive a text message before they send the esim.
Naturally, with the esim deleted, it couldn’t receive text messages.
datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve heard people in the US still use SMS to communicate with eachother. Fucking crazy.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Inertia and ease of use are powerful.
SMS “just works” and works for everyone here.
While I would like the new fancy features. At least RCS is bringing some and is seamlessly integrated.
Bonus I have 10+ years of txt history and can scroll/search to find something.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Only when iPhone users need to send a message to literally anyone else.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
uhhh that’s not some unique american thing lol, that’s how people here in sweden communicate too
Barely anyone cares what specific protocol is being used, they just care about what app they have to use and who they can reach, and if anyone isn’t using a normal sms app they’re generally using facebook messenger or imessages both of which support sms fallback and thus their users don’t even know there’s a difference half the time.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 1 year ago
why not
jnk@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Blame apple for that. IPhone has this proprietary messaging app pre-installed which is probably super convinient for the ecosystem but uses some obsolete SMS protocol to communicate with android phones. I think recently this has gotten better, but only because beeper and the EU pressing on them
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
SMS is good enough. Sure it’s not as authenticator or some other MFA method, but it’s good enough. Chances of my random account hiding something worth subverting cell operator to get the SMS and my password, are slim to none. At that point don’t upload anything worth that much.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Buy a real phone service. I don’t ever remember missing a code.
cooopsspace@infosec.pub 1 year ago
It’s overwhelmingly whatever provider they use for SMS, or some sort of anti spam checking.
My phone has reception the whole time.