You are being Open Sourced, please don't resist
You realize there are non-ai alternatives?
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to [deleted]
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ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Dearth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes but the Adobecucks have proven time and again they’d rather take ungreased Adobe pole than learn an alternative.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Read a review by someone, this vibed up solution isn’t going to win anyone over either because it evidently sucks. It may imitate the UI more closely for what works, but not much works adequately.
chrisashtear@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
GIMP is awful though. I havent seen the new ui yet, but the old one was unusably bad
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah but Adobe just works. Although recent versions suck hard. But there’s nothing wrong with a pirated older version. As long as Adobe doesn’t get any money it’s fine for me.
AI is just pure evil, which is harmful to the environment, water and power supply, and helps tech giants become even more powerful.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are not going to get a 10-year graphic designer to exclaim “Oh, wow, it’s called GIMP? I’ve never heard of it before, thank you!”
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If only there were other projects besides Gimp!
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They wouldn’t care about this either.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them”
bilouba@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
They missed a big opportunity by not calling it Photoslop
artwork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I believe it’s inhuman, disrespectful, and irresponsive to “not care it’s slop”…
i_need_your_bones@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah, if this is used as precisence then all open source software can be done dirty the same way. It’s a dangerous legal precedent. Also, the slop machine stole code from many devs ignoring all licenses to create the slop.
Its unsafe code which would do anything. I don’t suggest running it under any circumstance either.
Fuck man I’m so happy for this specific instance, fuck adobe, but I have to hate it.
What would be cool, but won’t happen, is if this kinda just forced out an essential “mit license for everything” wild west situation. It won’t, corps will fuck ot, but would be cool
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
With regards to this specific project, I think the best case scenario would be a bunch of developers taking the code and using it as a starting point, going through it with a fine-toothed comb and re-writing however much needs to be re-written. There’s never been a viable competitor to Adobe’s suite, and if this results in that, then we can at least applaud the outcome if not the methodology.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Stop making poor excuses for using AI. both AI and Adobe are evil. Juts pirate photoshop, put in some effort and creativity and stop complaining, unless it’s about AI.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Juts pirate photoshop
Fuck that, piracy gives them more legitimacy than they deserve. I will use gimp.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I cannot understand anything from gimp. It’s so counter intuitive, I even prefer ms paint over gimp. Sad, because I would love to have a proper alternative to PS.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
That’s still leaves you dependent on a corporation. I prefer a world where they no longer exist because it isn’t economically viable anymore.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Why? An old copy of photoshop 7 or CS has no dependancy on any corporation. Even if Adobe goes bankrupt, the pirated old versions still work perfectly. You’re just missing the AI tools the newer versions have, which is a bonus because, again, fuck AI.
eah@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You’re still dependent on Adobe if you use a clone of their software which has been cleanroom reverse engineered and re-implemented. And then it needs to happen all over again when Adobe releases a new version. It’s just a Rube Goldberg way of getting Photoshop.
bold_omi@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t. Use GIMP or Krita.
weps@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
don’t tell people to use Photoshop
bold_omi@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
They didn’t. Use GIMP.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah so this is how this shit gets normalized.
Fuck Adobe yeah but don’t fuckin use ai.
Funny how the general mood for ai had shifted. Find an alternative or you’re just another part of the problem
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
There already a bunch of good open source alternatives but some reason everyone wants to stay with adobe
Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Even a single use of AI we deem ethical is still ultimately, not.
The models are trained on stolen material; modern day techno-colonialism.
motionofethre@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I just hope Adobe sue Anthropic
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
There are models you can host yourself that are not
Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The models themselves were built unethically; you self hosting it locally is the least of my concerns.
df0@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Personally I don’t need adobe or slop adobe. After many attempts and some effort I found that the open source alternatives were good enough, or in some cases even better, once I had a more open mind and stopped expecting them to be 1:1 to adobe.
blinfabian@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
i love gimp, but the trouble you need to go through to make text with outline is just painful. ive done it that way for years now and i recently learned on photoshop its just a toggle :c
nieminen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I never understood when people say gimp is an alternative to Photoshop. Gimp is closer to MS paint than Photoshop.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Krita > Gimp
Also Inkscape > Illustrator but no one ever talks about this
pool_spray_098@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I agree with one exception.
The AI denoising in Lightroom is absolutely spectacular, and I can’t find anything in league with it in open source. I’m sure that will change soon, though.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s basically what AI is best at: incorporating lots and lots of data points (every single pixel on an image, many trillions of pixels on previous images used to train the model) to determine the best answer to a question with clear definitions of what is better or worse on a single-dimensional quality axis that most people would agree on. In this case, whether a de-noised photo looks good and accurately represents the image that could have been captured of the exact same scene using more light or a better sensor or whatever.
It’s generative AI where things fall apart. The analogy I always use is that these math techniques are great for inferring what is between pixels in a low res image, but starts going off the rails when it starts guessing what’s beyond the edges of the image. These AI algorithms are just math, and math with this many data points needs to start considering the limitations described by chaos theory (in the mathematical sense).
CardboardDecoy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you use any AI generated software, whether it’s to undermine a corp or not, you are continuing the problem.
You think these companies don’t have investments in the same AI that’s making the ‘open source’ version? You dangle your wallet in front of them like bait while they steal the bread off your table. Except you don’t have any bread because the field is a datacenter now and the water needed for irrigation has been diverted to it. And you conttributed. Zero tolerance for AI.
neverslop@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Based. Fuck Adobe.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
My GIMP is in the corner begging me to use it.
StillAlive@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
With or without lube?
Jiral@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Slop vs Adobe loses… This is torture!
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
nieminen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My perspective is, I’m happy the tool is being used to harm the financial interests of these awful companies. Adobe is who kicked off the whole subscription craze that swept through every other industry. These greedy assholes even steal all your personal works to feed to their AI machine as a prerequisite for using their tools.
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For as evil and Hitler-coded as Adobe is, AI slop is so much worse.
I want both to get nuked into glass.
buzz86us@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is there a difference? Adobe uses plenty of shop.
kamen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I appreciate the sentiment, but I would not try it at this point - some people have said that it would straight up corrupt files when attempting to save, and I wouldn’t risk it like this, even with backups.
Maybe I should just give Darktable another chance.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m more excited as to what this could mean for wine.
Flaxseed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anecdotal: I have wanted to replay a game that was a core part of my childhood. It was only really popular in Scandinavia. Nothing I’ve tried in the past many years worked (to be fair, it was also beyond my skillset). Couple days ago I just gave AI the task to make the game work under wine. Couple hours later and I’m playing it on Linux without issue. Even discovered and patched two bugs related to video decoding in wine to make it work. I would not find anyone else with the interest to make this game work I think!
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
shit, how do i get myself out of this moral dilemma
bold_omi@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Use GIMP.
ElGrande@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
AI slop implies AI peak.
This project brings a smile to my face.
nullify3112@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Am I the only one who’s been happy with Affinity on Linux? I know it’s still corporate BS that came from a good intention and got turned into this freemium by Canva. I know it will enshittify as soon as market share allows. I’m happier with this for now than I am with gimp. So what’s worse, enshittifying freemium or AI Slopensource?
Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I don’t want to incentivize using tools made through stealing other’s work then claiming it’s for the people
RusAD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’m 99.9% sure that Adobe and all other big tech companies are using LLMs to generate code. So it’s slop either way, but one is at least free and open source
Of course the established alternatives like Krita, Gimp, Inkscape and others are even better, no questions there
anti_duehring@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can confirm for Microsoft. AI is pushed on us so hard that we must use it everywhere, even for those processes that can be automated with a script (I.e.deterministic).
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Can confirm, at least for Adobe Acrobat.
There’s an annoying popup ive had to deal with at work where it prompts to have AI summarize my document or some such. Takes up only ~5% of the viewing pane, but needs to be manually exited out of for EVERY document opened.
artwork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lemme be the first to say fuck Adobe and I’ve been sailing the high seas for their products since CS4, and it pains me to say this but Krita and GIMP have a long way to go before they can match the range of functionality on Photoshop.
I genuinely really hope an open source project comes along to blow Photoshop out of the water but as someone who has been using it for 24 years, no one else is quite there yet.
Khrux@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
I think it’s worth reminding people where the general left wing FOSS conscious was before AI. Every week we’d see an article that was the antithesis of ownership, from celebrating the end of Disney copyright to loopholes in trademarks and the like, it was the heart of a lot of content.
There is a fantastic foreword foreword in The Picture of Dorian Gray from Oscar Wilde about art for art’s sake that I think about a lot, which really boils down to a litany for art for art’s sake, (and by extension education for education’s sake), that is overlooked in favour of being for the sake of profit or capital.
I am of the opinion that in response to AI, we have drifted from a left wing overall movement that rejected ownership in this way, to a protective, defensive style that is largely that stance of a neo-luddide, without any awareness of what ended that era, which was an insufficient boycott and misspent manpower.
I want to say, I’m someone who is overall against AI, I’m not sure how to prove it, any any time I try to explain points like this, people claim AI wrote my comment.
AI is evil, and has enormous destructive capacity, but making the walled garden of large capitalist software irrelevant in favour of FOSS solutions is a huge win, even in regards to being a result of AI.
I’d rather the water, electrical and creative debt that is incurred by AI is paid off by programs like this, than see companies like Adobe operate, particularly considering they literally changed their TOS to train their internal AI on user data.
Either way, your data is being used to train AI, regardless of if you use Photoshop or Photocraft, but one is FOSS, and openly made with that data.
sinedpick@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
it’s very simple to understand: the companies stole everything and charge for access to it, and this is wrong. There is no contradiction with pre-llm leftist thought.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I continue to reject ownership. But the reactionary creep you describe existed before LLMs. It was often framed around discussing things like Spotify and piracy.
There are several rightwing thought patterns which “drifted” into leftwing spaces in the past 10 years especially. I see it as people who has some reactionary tendencies seeing Trump and thinking " well I don’t like that" and seeking out alternative spaces. But they didn’t ourge themselves of their reactionary tendencies first. They didn’t do any introspection.
So we have a few of these. Private property being one. A weird, anti sexuality is another. Being pro genocide if it’s their preferred team doing it. I can go on.
theparadox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As i recall, the claim for the entire suite was that it was “clean-room”. No code stolen… unless you are concerned that the entire model is the result of stolen code… in which case we are in agreement.
GeirGrusom@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is ArtCraft we’re talking about, right? The “Adobe” thing is just marketing. It’s just a bunch of AI tools sewn together.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Most certainly the latter but if it’s used for open source then in not too mad about it
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
stealing from the people is wrong, but i support stealing from the bourgeoise.
Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
If you’re advocating on the behalf of the vibe coded adobe alternatives, you’re essentially saying “I support stealing from everyone”. Yes, I hate adobe, I say eat the rich, but dont exploit the poor in the meantime
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Stealing Adobe’s work is good, actually. Let’s steal Adobe’s everything!
Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yeah, go against adobe, I support you, but stay with the people. Dont use the big tech’s stealing machine. Dont incentivize big tech’s current fascist push of a product. AI is bad in so many ways, environmentally, ethically; taking away real people’s work, stealing other people’s work.
If you want to use this AI generated alternative of adobe because adobe is horrible, then I understand you, and that’s fine, if you remember that this isn’t perfect either.
This is a lesser evil, and we should seek out alternatives still. Hope there’s someone who isn’t discouraged by this project as its now been praised by literally everyone
artwork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s a particle of a relatively explainable sense in it, unfortunately…
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Is it possible they used a generated noise/sorrow of an actual item to have it “copyright-less” and don’t bother about any human involved into? Even though the models are based on “fair use” of now unknown artists and people, now scrambled and reconstructed… which is all utterly awfully disrespectfully disgusting… indeed…
Also known as “AI-laundering”…
Related: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_washing
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You wouldn’t download a car
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If I did download a car, which I would, I would also seed said car.
StabbingSky@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m fairly certain that Adobe’s genAI offering is trained on licensed works.
Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’m not saying adobe is good, I’m saying this adobe alternative is also bad. Like I guess photocraft and its suite is a lesser evil, but you can’t say this project is by and for the people when its, again, built by stolen works
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not 🖤
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Corporate theft engines being used to drink those same corporations milkshakes feels like karmic justice. This time, I will withold my objections and fetch some popcorn.