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NHS costs 4600$ per recipient.
Current US public spending on healthcare (Medicaid, medicare, ACA subsidies, Veteran healthcare…) is 5600$ per capita (not recipient)…
We could lower taxes and give everyone free healthcare.
Fuck it, that extra 1000$ can go straight to the president pocket if he gives us Medicare for all.
Honestly, present that to him, that’s the best way to get positive change these days.
Would be funny if he enacted a bunch of socialist policy just so he could make a one time profit, but leaving us all in a better place in the long run. Too bad his pedo buddies won’t allow it.
Not the worst plan. But even with a zero risk, easy win like that I’m pretty sure he’d still think he’s getting screwed in the deal and demand the values flipped.
The NHS is rapidly enshitifying and jumping in bed with AI and Palantir. Privatising has been a Conservative wet dream for a long time. Check back soon. We might be on the list on the right.
used as example of comprehensive healthcare,
It still provides healthcare,
US is the third largest spender of public funds in healthcare, and when it comes to quality it ranks bellow Kazachtan.
Not directly comparable dollar to dollar, American doctors and (traveling) nurses are paid amoral amounts of money in many cases. Would still be significantly cheaper overall than the current system.
if you want to get angry, compare us drug prices with other countries (without subsidies or insurance).
I am in Australia, and I can guarantee you that there are lobbyists in the capital every single day trying to have it stopped.
The US also wants it stopped.
In Australia. Our government’s bargaining over the price of pharmaceuticals under the PBS has caused massive pressure by big US drug companies. A great many drugs have their prices capped in this country. Trump’s boys have been jumping up and down threatening this and that for us to adopt a more lethal regime.
However, it was the same under Obama, so it’s the US system at fault not just the present adminstration.
Universal Healthcare are threaten everywhere, not because their are not balanced. Lobby from Insurance company made politics diminish income from healthcare and legalize private solution.
For example in France, the healthcare system covered almost everything and was balanced fo decade (1946 - 2000), thanks to a socialization of income. At first the system was own only by Trade Unions, but now half of it’s leaders come from the bosses association.
In Europe, we have to fight against the US models for decades, and we have lost some of our health coverage because of the privatization. As an example among many death and suffering, this year is a record of death-born in France.
Better start making more babies if you want to keep your universal healthcare tbh. Coverage WILL worsen as the average age of a society goes up, unless you still have colonies to exploit of course.
… or to take the wealth of the bourgeoisie, or even better expropriating it and get the wealth of our industries, or welcome more refugees. Fuck natalism and nationalism
At the core, MAGA and similar high-control groups reject universal systems that reduce suffering, like healthcare, paid leave and climate action, because they require shared responsibility, which conflicts with their hyper-individualist, anti-collectivist worldview. Instead, they promote piecemeal, market-based solutions that prioritize corporate profits while shifting costs to individuals.
This isn’t just bad policy, it’s a deliberate choice to maintain power for a few at the expense of many. Many countries have much lower per-capita costs, better health outcomes and longer life expectancy than the US. Even red states like Arkansas and Montana expanded Medicaid and saw reduced mortality, lower medical debt and improved mental health.
These solutions work when seriously implemented, and they would work here too if enough people prioritized collective well-being over selfish ideologies masquerading as virtue. The decline in quality-of-life measures in the U.S. over the past decade reflects this failure. Doubling down will make all this worse, even though the propaganda from controlling groups will keep blaming minorities and other red herrings and many will fall for it as they do sadly. We really can break free from the indoctrination and see the truth!
Trauma bonding as a political movement.
I appreciate the sentiment but let’s be real about Australia’s adoption of universal healthcare:
The lesson is this. There are no permanent victories.
Yes, the reality is more nuanced than this list implies. In the UK and NZ the system is being aggressively attacked with more and more private companies getting a foothold in the public system.
But in America nobody wants it, support for universal healthcare is barely above 70%!
Also, approval for universal healthcare in the US is even higher than that when you disregard what the over-65 crowd think. You should disregard their opinions because they are the ones most against universal healthcare but are receiving universal healthcare themselves (Medicare). If you’re gonna accept free healthcare for yourself and shit on anyone else who wants it, yes I think your opinion on it shouldn’t matter.
Germany 1941 Japan 1938
Fuck, man, our Nazis are not even as good as the actual Nazis.
France implemented it in 1945 not 1974 idk where that year comes from
The 1945 law only covered workers and their families. It took until 1999 to get full coverage based on residency. (But I also have no idea what 1974 is doing on there.)
I dug a little, and it turns out there was a 1975 law and later 1978 removed the employment requirement to receive it, this might be why, but it’s off by a year haha
Makes me wonder if all the other dates aren’t just made up as well…
The date in Germany doesn’t really add up, the first version was implemented in 1883 and got substantially expanded.
The USA gives millions of dollars to these countries… Germany received 10 million from the USA in 2025.
Why does Germany get 10 million and universal healthcare, and we get 0 million and $1000 shots of insulin?
Well, as long as we take care of Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, that’s our number one priority.
10 million, if true, it only a spit in the ocean. You guys really need to learn to stop blaming other countries for your continued social crisis.
The US is still the most wealthy country in the world. And it’s, I believe, the only Western country in the world without universal healthcare.
You already have the cash, you just need to decide to spend it in the right way. Every dollar you spend on other countries has a hook embedded in it, just like China does. Believe me, it’s not altruistic generosity.
Yeah, $10m is chump change for a country and even most states. Pretty sure that’s how much it costs to repave a mile of my street nowadays. 🤣
We may have given money to other countries, but the US has also used it’s influence to shape the world in it’s favor to a much larger self-benefit than few million dollars.
I don’t think this person is blaming Germany they’re blaming politicians for giving money to Germany.
Germany’s population is ~80 million. $10 million isn’t nothing, but that’s $0.125 per person. We also didn’t just, hand them a bag of cash and walk away whistling.
10 million dollars on the scale of Healthcare is… well about $30 per person in the US. Do I need a source to say we spend far more than that? The problem isn’t just how much we spend, it’s what we get for it, which is mostly rich Insurance companies.
Millions is nothing these days for countries.
Most on this list have slowly gutted it in one way or another im sure
Obviously still better than, well, over there
unfortunately not true.
for example, Spain ended universal healthcare on 2012. it was recovered fully just this years
That’s why they won’t let US citizens have it, and pretend it’s something else when they get old enough for Medicare.
Unfortunately, we might be slowly getting there.
A lot of countries have been and continue to erase public healthcare budgets, to the point where it barely functions.
Officially as a response to slowing economical growth… Because as usual, GDP is the only thing that matters, and of course, we just couldn’t possibly tax billionaires.
Mexico. Add Mexico
But we’re FREE.
Free from good health.
I always notice that one thing that’s rarely discussed is that there’s more to it than just healthcare. Essentially, it’s a way to train medical staff. Imagine if you took your car to a mechanic and they said well I’ve only fixed three cars in my life, wish me luck!
Okay, but how many of those countries have a right-wing political party that cuts funding every time they get political power, until the system is running nearly badly enough that they can say privatization will fix it?
I really want a system like this but it is SO HARD to do in a large and diverse country.
The only barrier to implementing universal healthcare in the United States is the health insurance industry, the corruption it relies on, and the racism that the corrupt politicians use to turn people against their own welfare.
Oh ok clearly it’s not worth doing, let’s fund genocide instead! Fuck off with this bullshit.
Brazil did it ages ago and it is just as large and diverse as the US. I’m not saying it’s easy but it is absolutely doable.
Pff. I feel like if you understood just how big Texas is, you’d realise your mistake.
Don’t worry, someone will be along to tell us soon enough…
Country size has nothing to do with it; it’s all in the lobbies.
Much of what’s wrong with American healthcare could be fixed with a few pieces of federal legislation:
This gets rid of the “out of network” bullshit and basically turns the American healthcare system into an approximation of the German one. The German system is one of the most expensive in the world and generally considered to be of middling quality compared to other wealthy nations but it’s half as expensive per capita as the American one; based on free enterprise (with a fuckton of regulations, which is normal for the medical sector); and wildly more effective than the American system, which doesn’t even rank among other developed nations.
The only reason the USA don’t have a better healthcare system is that lobbyists spend an unholy amount of money to ensure it doesn’t and lawmakers are willing to do whatever the highest bidder tells them to. Size and diversity have nothing to do with it.
These are great ideas!
Diverse???
Race/Ethnicity? Religion? Language? Cultures? Politics? The US is a bit short on diversity in some of these.
Europe managed it. Every country in it has it.
And they are double the population of the US.
Size is not an issue what so ever.
Sure but Europe isn’t one country lol
The larger and more diverse the insurance pool, the cheaper it becomes per capita.
You’re literally just repeating propaganda.
You doing think it’s more difficult to get legislation through in a large country, vs a small one? Curious. Super curious.
Almost as hard as the way we do it now in the US
drolex@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Maybe not universal…
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This probably says 1941 because it’s when “all” retirees became automatically insured, but earlier or later would also be a good answer.
Otto von Bismarck instated a rudimentary system (German language link) covering only poorer workers and their families in 1883, but that expanded to cover everyone gradually and was then taken away from multiple groups in the 1930s and 1940s until it was reinstated for all in 1949.