Education. But you can clearly see the defects of the last 40 years of defunding and deriding education.
How do we stop people from defending billionares and trillion dollar companies?
Submitted 12 hours ago by LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Crackhappy@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Nomad@infosec.pub 3 hours ago
Mostly independent media. Throw in a ban on advertising if you are already at it. Probably not realistic, maybe just much harsher rules on obvious lies and political influencing campaigns in media. Much harsher prosecution.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
you would have to stop all the MSM from airing news in a certain way, like no tabloid/opinion pieces.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
I sound like a broken record but, BAN ADVERTISING. Along with all the pretty well established secondary bad effects of advertising, the most basic direct effect of it is lying to people. If people weren’t deluged daily with lies about how they should think of this or that company, they wouldn’t be so readily deluded into thinking of a company like a person with a positive effect on their world.
Rothe@piefed.social 4 minutes ago
But this is kind of circular logic. We need to convince people to stop defending trillionaires in order to be able to ban advertising or make any meaningful change at all.
potato_lemon@feddit.nl 9 hours ago
This. ☝🏻 We gotta ban advertising.
squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi 1 hour ago
This. ☝🏻 We gotta ban advertising.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
stop comparing them to people with reasonable retirement savings and actually make good points instead of bullshit “evil” and “facism”
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
How much do you want to invest in ammo and a solid backing wall?
MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 10 hours ago
You’re three bad months away from being homeless.
You will never be three good months away from being a billionaire.
Greg@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
I think I could become a billionaire if I started off as a trillionaire
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Naaah. If you were a trillionaire, you’d have activated the cheat code to be wealthy for at least 4 generations, and who cares about your great-grandkids really?
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Guns and ammo. Voting isn’t sufficient. Peaceful protest isn’t sufficient unless you can organize a national strike - which won’t happen.
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
Platforms like twitter and facebook (and many “news” companies) brainwash their users, mostly by providing multiple different lies. Users pick whichever lie appeals to them the most, and they pretend they have found the truth.
To combat this, we need to emphasize the importance of thinking critically and verifying claims.
State the facts. Correct their misconceptions. Emphasize that billionaires are intentionally killing us all; lazy thinkers might reconsider if there is a possibility their life is at stake. I’m not saying threaten them, but we are all threatened by human greed.
The people you’re talking to might not listen, but someone else might. Sometimes it just takes repetition to get through to someone, hearing the same clear message from multiple different sources.
Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Advocate for stakeholder socialist policies like worker and consumer coöps that would render billionaires impossible.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 4 hours ago
This. Arguing with people online is – with all due respect – a complete waste of time if your goal is to change the world.
Ignore the people who have dumb opinions. It isn’t as though if you win 500 arguments Elon Musk donates all his money to Socialism.
Go join a tenant’s union or a mutual aid society. Go build the alternative world that doesn’t transfer all our money upward.
(Also, though, if you do this long enough there will likely be a revolution. But that part comes after you feed and shelter enough people that it begins to become a threat to capital. It’s downstream. Either way, don’t bother trying to persuade strangers on the internet,)
AskewLord@piefed.social 5 hours ago
You don’t. If you can’t handle someone having different opinions/ideas than you, you’re the fascist.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
There are times when there are objectively bad opinions. For instance - and very on-topic, showing support for a conglomerate that is actively acting against your best interests.
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 11 hours ago
You have to instill class consciousness in them, which is extremely difficult to do, especially in the usa bc our public education system in many places lies and says that this is a meritocracy when it’s not. So people believe that if they just work hard and do what they’re told then they’ll get rich. And when that obviously doesn’t happen, the republican party points towards whatever minority group they’ve selected for that election cycle and says “it’s their fault”
Like I said, actually getting people to understand that they have more in common with the poorest, queerest, immigrant than they do with a white cishet billionaire is really difficult, but the best way to do it is to redirect the conversation from minority groups to the actual problem. For example, if someone complains that immigrants are stealing their jobs then don’t start with a denial or disagreeing with them. Say, “you’re right. Companies hiring undocumented immigrants for less than or just minimum wage does depress wages for Americans. Companies that do this should be adequately punished and we should streamline our process for getting documents for undocumented immigrants. That way companies can’t take advantage of them or depress the wages of americans either.” Some people won’t listen bc they don’t want to learn, but if you keep trying eventually some people will listen and learn
Also try to get them to understand just how much money a trillion or even a billion dollars is
actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
It’s easy! Simply eliminate all people.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 12 hours ago
And how do we that?
It’s simple, we kill The Batman.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 9 hours ago
Puch them square in the jaw
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
That’s the fun part. You don’t. It’s human nature, at least for neurotypical hominids to submit to confident icons, even when that confidence is unearned and grounded in hubris, not competence. Wealth makes people very confident, even about things they don’t actually understand. You’re not going to educate them into abandoning millions of years of human instinct. What you can do is make people angry enough at the current crop of billionaires they’re ready to put them up against the wall tell them you have a way to keep terrible people from getting that obscenely wealthy again, and then do it… with the knock on effect of making that level of obscene wealth disparity systemically impossible for anyone. That’s going to make people angry too though, you’re probably going to end up crucified for it, because you know, it’s a country of temporarily embarrassed billionaires.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
“Defending” when accused of what? The question is somewhat meaningless without knowing that.
LarryBetraitor@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I just hate the idea of someone defending a billionare or trillion dollar company for any reason. There is no legitamite reason for them to even exist, since there’s no way to obtain THAT MUCH ammount of money without unethical deeds. And anytime you criticize them on ANYTHING, people will still do mental gymnastics to defend these evildoers to act like unpaid PR.
Example: “So what if shipping isn’t ACTUALLY free? They HAVE to bake shipping costs into the actual product in order to make a profit!”
Like, congradulations! You are correct! What did that acomplish for you? Other than the fact that you succesfully defended false advertising and ripping people off and terrible customer service in general. Why even care that they make more profit to begin with?!
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
I just hate the idea of someone defending a billionare or trillion dollar company for any reason.
Then you have a very simplistic worldview. There are many disputes where different large companies are adversarial to each other, so if you have an opinion about them at all, you need to defend one of them.
For example occasionally media companies will try to get laws passed in various countries to make social media platforms pay for linking to journalistic. A stupid and nonsensical idea for many reasons, but by calling it that, I may have just “defended” Meta?
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 11 hours ago
Don't bother answering a purposely daft question.
plyth@feddit.org 11 hours ago
More power, more reputation. People automatically flock to trillion dollar companies.
If you want to stop people you have to stop it for all companies. You have to make brands less important.
lmdnw@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
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Stop allowing cuts to education and stop advancing kids who can’t comprehend the material for that grade. The world will always need ditch diggers. Telling a future ditch digger that they’re smart enough to graduate when they can’t read and/or comprehend at their grade level, if at all, is doing that child and society as a whole a disservice. Not only does it set up that child to then become an arrogant adult, but it deprives society of the documentation, or lack thereof, that this person is not, and should not be, considered any sort of authority on anything other than ditch digging.
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Understand that some people are actually evil and don’t deserve to live.
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frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 11 hours ago
Stop letting them participate in society. Shun the fuck out of them.
HubertManne@piefed.social 11 hours ago
I have not seen this behavior outside of maga politicians and corporate c suite types.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
There’s a halo of genius around rich people because they’re rich. Like the guy that invented the pet rock.
HubertManne@piefed.social 11 hours ago
that like sounds like trump talk. I don’t pay taxes cuz im smartz. Many have talent to some degree or another but no man is worth 1000x the least of men.
Sibshops@feddit.cl 11 hours ago
Any shareholder group like memestocks, even crypto lately is all about defending Blackrock.
HubertManne@piefed.social 11 hours ago
I would group them in the same group. shady. like probably popular in buy gold and increase your testosterone crowd.
Astronut@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
You can’t because you can’t fix stupid! The people that do are beyond ignorant and don’t want to be informed of the truth!
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 hour ago
Shame. Cultural norms and taboos are reproduced through shame.
Look down on them. Call them bootlickers. Be clear that you think you’re better than them. Make jokes at their expense. Roll your eyes. Leave them out of things.
That’s how a culture exercises soft power against manners we think are unacceptable.