Submitted 3 days ago by DandomRude@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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I am the mod that removed your post. I am always happy to talk about it. I do make mistakes and change my mind at times.
Yeah its a gray rule, no doubt about it, but the alternative is the comm flooded with everyone’s political hot take, which quickly drowns out lots of great posts.
I’ll spare you any “hot takes” in the future by no longer participating in your “community” all together. That way, I won’t have to deal with the thought police who rule over your shower thoughts.
I can understand that moderation is time-consuming, but it’s pretty absurd what you’re pulling. It’s nothing short of arbitrary censorship, because there’s nothing in the world that can’t be called “political” in one way or another
So, in short: Mission accomplished—another user silenced who was disrupting your addiction to entertainment with pesky remarks about reality.
Sorry, that wasn’t a jab at you.
Here are some of my thoughts if you are interested. Being on lemmy I assume we have similar values and in general agree on a lot, even if the implementation details are messy. I do try to balance all of the various thoughts i get about how showerthoughts should be moderated, and your thoughts are helpful to me.
From my perspective, if communities didnt have rules and enforcement to keep them on-topic then there wouldn’t be much point in having communities. They would all have the same content.
Whats “on-topic” is a hard judgement call sometimes. A “showerthought” is a pretty loose thing but i remember liking r/showerthoughts for the fun clever discoveries that people made about everyday life, and I assume that most of the subscribers to c/showerthoughts are thinking the same thing, but i dont know.
You are correct that it helped reduce the mod workload which I am trying to find a sustainable balance with. Its a catch 22 with politics because people become really impassioned which means people slip up and say inappropriate things, which means you need to take more mod actions, which makes more people angry at you which makes even more work… but if it makes people impassioned then maybe it means its the most important thing to be talking about…
I think the lemmy ecosystem has a lot of space for talking about politics, if people dont subscribe to those communities as heavily then thats another issue, but maybe not because the conversations can be more meaningful. When I browes lemmy i sort by new or scaled so that i can help build engagement in small communities that otherwise dont get much attention. Imdoingmypart.jpg
I have had my posts removed too and yeah i dont like it.
Thanks for trying to keep the comm on topic.
Doesn’t really seem like a shower thought tbh. Seems like soapboxing
It’s not even that hot of a take. An llm could have written this post.
In addition to this not really being a showerthought, this post is not really a shitpost either
This would be better fitted for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com but I’ll save you a little time: YDI
Thank you very much!
I wasn’t aware that this was such a big issue in the Fediverse that there are already dedicated communities discussing it.
Until now, I’d assumed the matter was somewhat settled since the larger communities on .ml now have an equivalent elsewhere now. I’ve come across this problem several times elsewhere as well (the “no politics” rule, even though the post wasn’t political in any sense), but I guess I’m just completely out of the loop.
So it’s probably more a case of it being a different overlord (the U.S. instead of Russia).
I can only conclude from this that even platforms like Lemmy on the the Fediverse are controlled by billionaires. That might sound a bit like a conspiracy theory, but given their unscrupulousness, it seems all too likely to me.
Either way: for me, the matter is clear—you can’t express your opinion here either.
It’s disillusioning, but at least now I know how I need to conduct myself here.
you can’t express your opinion here
I’ve had this account for nearly a year and a half, and I’ve never had mod action taken against me. On my previous account, I only ever had 2 mod actions. I’m highly political and post regularly. My secret is that I pay attention to every community I’m looking at, and follow their rules. As an example, I’m gender fluid but generally identify with masc identities, so I never post or comment in !womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone. Following community rules is easy. Just don’t do those things. Whether you want it to be or not, gen-AI is absolutely a political topic right now, so it’s not really welcome in !showerthoughts@lemmy.world.
GMAFB. There are PLENTY of communities where that topic can be discussed, but you chose one not meant for what is blatantly a political topic and are whining “censorship” when you naturally got rebuked. It’s very MAGAt-like behavior.
I actually saw that post on my feed, and was interested in reading it but it had been deleted by the time I got to it. Since it was still showing in my feed, I used that to get to your profile in hopes you’d re-posted it somewhere more appropriate, but instead you seem to have decided to play victim.
I’m honestly disappointed because I skimmed some of your posts & comments and liked what I saw. Hopefully this is just an aberration.
Things as simple as A* pathfinding algorithms used for video game characters or simple if/else chains used to program tic/tac/toe games have been called AI for decades.
LLMs *are" a form of machine learning and artificial intelligence regardless of how shit they are
Whether or not the rule is fair might be debatable, but in the end, the mods have the final word and they decided that you violated this rule, and then acted accordingly. Either you try to get your ban reversed by contacting them, or you start your own community where the rules are more to your liking. Or you can also move on to other things and let this issue become a non-issue.
The fact you are bothered by people calling the got new thing AI is weird. We have been calling a lot of hot new things in tech ai.
What grinds my gears is the less new thing no longer being called ai when it still is ai.
Ai is more than your sci-fi wifu.
You could have posted this comment on my post if it hadn’t been removed by the mods at ShowerThoughts because it was apparently too political—at least according to arbitrary Rule 3, which always comes into play whenever something is posted that the mods don’t like, or maybe even those who send them a little money… I have no idea how things work there, but in any case, there’s no way to have a debate on this issue.
AI is what ever a capitalist says it is.
Seems reasonable to me. I am very much against the concentration of capital. But that is a major part of the socialist democrats platform. So yeah, your post was clearly political. The lemmy model is that mods choose what they want in a community. And since they are unpaid, that seems right. You want to say whatever you want, make your own.
I guess that rule is to prevent people from abusing that community for posting their hot takes. It’s a shame it was used against you, after all your take is luke warm at best…
You should probly migrate off .world, for starters, and maybe consider contributing to another version of the community that doesn’t have rules you don’t like, e.g., !showerthoughts@sh.itjust.works
Thanks for the heads-up! I guess that’s what I’ll do. It’s a shame that the largest communities, of all places, are censoring themselves like this.
Thinking about politics in the shower is illegal. Mentioning money is politics. Welcome back to reddit.
There’s a time & place for everything. As an obviously over the top, but hard to argue example: I wouldn’t go into a classroom of seven year-olds & start discussing pornography. Showerthoughts has always been known to be meant for light-hearted topics - it’s even mentioned in the community description, while political topics are explicitly against the rules. It’s not censorship to say something is inappropriate in certain contexts or situations.
You were making a post to a .world community, what did you expect?
That place is reddit as fuck. Steer clear.
i wish there was a way to ‘mute’ instances and users which do not respect freedom of speech. If you shut down good faith speech from others, then i literally don’t care about anything else you have to say
Don’t worry, the bots will keep you well entertained. You don’t need to post anything at all; you can simply leave your comments and receive automated replies that fully take your feelings into account.
i got no problem getting rid of bots, it’s the audience of human NPCs which really concerns me, something which is aggravated by illiberal speech policies
yeah what is this, reddit?
It can’t be, I was banned for life twice on Reddit. They won’t let me back anymore. I refused to limit my speech.
Yes! Yes! RAAAGE against that machine!
I guess the next move is to make all the tech bros glasses rose-coloured.
marcos@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Well, you decided to post politics into a non-politics community, instead of a politics one. And now moderation drama into a shitpost community instead of a moderation drama one…
DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Can you name a single topic that isn’t political? And: How can you fail to see that such an indefinable rule is completely out of place in a free network? You must know that there are immeasurably wealthy people who have no qualms about buying their way to impose their worldview. How can you still believe it’s a good idea for many of the largest communities in the open Fediverse to establish rules that are so vague they not only make arbitrariness possible but actually encourage it?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Why aren’t you posting recipes for quiche?
I don’t care that I wandered into a shitposting thread about a powertrippingbastards threads about a shower thoughts thread. I want this thread to be about quiche.
So why aren’t you posting about quiche?
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I think it’s more important for you to find topics that are not political. Chill
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Free /c/showerthoughts! ✊ end the oppression!
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 days ago
So the use of language is politcal now, apparently. Got it.