People who know know that the crabs survive and are released back into the wild after their “donation”
Blueberry milkshakes
Submitted 7 months ago by ickplant@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
ickplant@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Darken@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Ddhuud@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Most of them, yes.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
So we only catch them, torture them as much as we want and then act like we do good because at some point we “release” them to torture them again in the future.
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Do you consider giving blood to be torture?
Is the Red Cross a torture organization?
And don’t bring up “consent”. Horseshoe Crabs are incapable of consenting or not-consenting to anything because they don’t have an advanced enough brain.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
And they literally and actually save hundreds of thousands of human AND animal lives by giving blood, which If you’ve never done it (Why Not?) Does not hurt a bit.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Real talk I’m fine with hurting crabs for our own means. Straight up.
dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
Whoa! That’s some Human Supremacist talk there.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Hell yeah. Whole point is to get the species off the rock, then out of the meat suit
cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 7 months ago
On god, no cap frfr str8 bussin.
MightyGalhupo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Real talk I’m fine with hurting other living beings that aren’t me for my own means. Straight up.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I know it sucks, but they play an invaluable role in modern medicine, I hope that we can find an alternative to using them, but AFAIK there is nothing that works in the same manner yet.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s literally life. Unless you’re a plant, you’re killing things to eat.
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
I am.
IDontHavePantsOn@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I’m fine with hurting all wildlife.
MightyGalhupo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m fine with hurting all life.
Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They all serve a purpose in their own way, this one specifically does a great job!
Lyricism6055@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Same here
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If horseshoe crabs were to become less economically important, is that a good thing for horseshoe crabs? They ain’t exactly Pandas, so will little Sally and Bobby care if horseshoe crabs become endangered? They’re already in a precarious situation…
kandoh@reddthat.com 7 months ago
I think living to have your fluids harvested in factory farms is a worse outcome than going extinct.
Death_Equity@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Personally speaking, the fluid in question and method of harvest would determine how much I’d rather be dead.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If you are any part of nature and also economically important, you get barbarically exploited until you go extinct. If you are not, you will be bulldozed to make room for the former. Capitalism is the best system of morality humans have ever, and will ever, come up with, and I truly cherish the utopia it has brought upon civilization.
Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Capitalism isn’t a system of morality. Or at least it isn’t supposed to be.
The fact that people think more money = moral is one of the largest problems in the world right now.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Cows and chickens are doing pretty well in terms of raw numbers.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Trivia of the day, horseshoe crab blood is blue because it is copper based instead of iron based like our blood
joyjoy@lemm.ee 7 months ago
They’re actually being fed the blue milk from Star Wars 8
Maultasche@feddit.de 7 months ago
That was green milk. Blue milk is from Episode IV.
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 7 months ago
ah yes, The Final Generation
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Stop all animal testing and torture
bill_buttlicker@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This isn’t specifically animal testing, rather it is a process to get life saving medicine. They are working hard to synthesize it luckily. This has been the subject of a few major podcasts but I can’t remember which ones.
NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi 7 months ago
Radiolab has an awesome episode radiolab.org/podcast/baby-blue-blood-drive
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
First off, this isn’t testing. We know exactly what we need Horseshoe Crab blood for, and it’s incredibly important.
Second, it’s probably not torture. The worst-case-scenario level of discomfort from bleeding them is fairly low, like a human giving blood. And that (incorrectly) presupposes them having as advanced pain-sensing as humans. The actual death rate is the bigger issue, but we are talking about saving lives and the medical community is trying really hard to change the status quo on this. Covered below.
Third, what you’re seeing in that picture saves thousands of lives per year. How much human suffering, how many human deaths, are you willing to accept to achieve those goals? What if one of those humans that has to suffer or die was your kid? There’s no plant-based alternative to this process at this time.
Let me clarify this. Using horseshoe crabs for this purpose is VERY EXPENSIVE. It’s only done because we don’t have an alternative yet, and the process is necessary for modern medicine. There is plenty of research going into either making this process less expensive (which probably involves a lower death rate for crabs) or finding an entirely different process to achieve the same goals. But none has been found (well, except that they used to use rabbits for this. I don’t know the details)
I can understand the desire to spare… um…shellfish some…uh… pain I guess. But NOT at the expense of human life and suffering. That’s just silly.
MooseBoys@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s a simple, nearly instantaneous test that goes by the name of the LAL, or Limulus amebocyte lysate, test (after the species name of the crab, Limulus polyphemus). The LAL test replaced the rather horrifying prospect of possibly contaminated substances being tested on “large colonies of rabbits.” Pharma companies didn’t like the rabbit process, either, because it was slow and expensive.
From www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/…/284078/ (emphasis mine).
anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Once it is fast and cheap, expect to see these alien fluid harvesting plants everywhere.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This is the kind of shit you see right at the start of alien invasion type sci fi flicks.
remotelove@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Or in China on a Wednesday.
vox@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
they don’t die tho
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 months ago
Just tortured their entire lives
Ignisnex@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s catch and release, not life long milking. Granted, the survival rate isn’t as high as I’d like (70-90% apparently), but I do also appreciate having safe injectable medicines. All things considered, with a species bias, I’d prefer dozens of humans live at the expense of a… Not crab. Unfortunate though it may be. I can’t also help but notice you’ve anthropomorphised them a bit. I’m certain these creatures respond to negative stimulus, but attributing fear and life long trauma seems to be giving their intelligence a bit of an unfounded boost.
100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Honestly, of all the messed up shit we do with animals draining blood from a bunch of crabs for medical purposes seems like one of the less egregious ones.
vox@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
they catch, “milk” and release them, most of them recover from it. (weaker ones tend to die tho, with survival rate of around 80%)
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A lot of them do end up dying from this, yes.
vox@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
around 20% which is acceptable… i think?
zepheriths@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They have copper blood… Where is this… Asking for a friend
Starkstruck@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The crabs are released afterwards, it doesn’t kill them. Not saying it’s a perfectly ethical situation, but at least it’s not kill em en masse.
cazsiel@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Just like tmnt
Cheesus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
For those who don’t know, the blue liquid is their blood
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Obviously didn’t read the meme. It’s a blueberry milkshake. Everyone knows blood isn’t that color.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
Why are they draining it in this way? Poor things.
CluckN@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s catch and release so they let them go afterwards where they found them. Horseshoe crab blood is an essential biomedical tool that’s saved countless lives.
Alabaster_Mango@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
![www.horseshoecrab.org/med/bestpractices.html](Here’s a description of the bleeding process.)
It’s specifically non-fatal:
It may look uncomfortable to us humans, but keep in mind that horseshoe crabs are not human. What’s normal for the spider is chaos for the fly. Granted, it would be kinda weird to be hoisted from your home by a giant ape and forced into a blood drive. It’s done as gently as possible though.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Highest chance of survival/low stress
Darken@reddthat.com 7 months ago
That’s how blueberry is made Freeze some of this add some structure, let it set, then put it on trees
Emerald@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because we as a species have decided its okay to torture others for personal gain
menemen@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So this us basically like a blood farm from vampires? Shit, still surprises me what an evil species we really are.
zazaserty@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
I kinda agree with you but when you think about it it’s not that bad. They are released afterwards and we can use that blood to save countless people, like you and me.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 7 months ago
Dp you enjoy the widespread availability of injectable medicine? The blood is used to detect impurities in injectable medicine.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Which proves they’re all royalty.
havokdj@lemmy.world 7 months ago
King Crab 🦀
15liam20@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A pint? That’s nearly an armful!