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They started a three front war ,prioritize citizens differently based on a state defined class system, got the earth blown up on at least one occasion, use their soldiers as disposable cannon fodder, and send everyone who disagree with them to reeducation camps. Other than that its a swell place.
Its tiring how bad general media literacy is that I can’t tell if the 4chan post above is a joke.
The 4chan post probably is a joke.
The problem is, with a lot of their jokes, other users can’t tell, so it becomes reality. See also, basically everything wrong with the US and MAGA idiots today.
Voting Trump for President started as a joke on 4chan, and later on Reddit with r/The_Donald. And look where it got us, the butterfly effect in full force.
I’ve seen one Lemmy bigbrain recently argue that even when artists are showing mafia or army to be terrible for people in them, they romanticize the mafia and army nonetheless, and that in general media glorifies its subject matter regardless of the author’s intent. This schmuck would probably say with a straight face that ‘Helldivers’, or whatever this post is about, actually advocates for its model of utopia even if it pretends not to.
The idea of there being no anti-war films is older than Lemmy. The problem is Poe’s Law related. You can make a movie or a game that shows the horror of war or the tyranny of distopian totalitarian regimes, but regardless of the intended message, your creation is filtered through your audience’s lenses of perception, and some of that audience has been raised to be white supremacists, some have been through schooling that acts more as indoctrination than education, and some of that audience are just seriously fucking stupid.
Why are you talking as if their argument is completely nonsensical or novel? It’s kind of a known thing that even if you portray something as “bad” as possible, there will be a number of people that look past/ don’t see the criticism of the subject and take the creation of work as a sign that the subject is to be praised. Look at the music industry with gang violence, misogyny and drug use; lots of more modern artists make music that shows how these things harm society, yet casual listeners will put on a song about alcohol abuse to get drunk at a party.
It isn’t necessarily that the artist is advocating for it, so much as they’ve produced a work that can be misinterpreted (unintentionally or otherwise) to do so.
Where does this lore come from? I’ve never heard of super earth
Helldivers games
People forget that r/thedonald started out as a meme space, and then eventually people started taking it seriously.
Because people are stupid.
Basically flat earth society again huh?
no racism white af family is the only visible race
Yeahhhh no fucking thanks.
The helldiver’s two launch cutscene does show an interracial couple in a state propaganda video. Racism is one of the few ways the game doesn’t to my knowledge show the government being fucked up. Everything else is horrible though
They helldivers also have randomized skin colour, so soldiers of all races can become elite troops.
I saw some blog call it woke because of that lamo
I mean TBF we have a sample size of one family here, but also idk what this post is about so idk idk
If there were only two humans left on Earth, they would find a reason to hate each other.
what? no we wouldn’t. fuck you for suggesting that.
[i meant that as a joke love you dude]
If there is only one race, racism can’t exist? 🤔
There is only one human race, and racism still exists.
“amazing quality of life”
Sure, if you’re the right kind of super citizen.
Yea, when choosing a fictional world to aspire for, it’s useful to consider how most citizens are treated.
Our current world is great too, for some.
Anon is probably the kind of person who also thinks Sparta was great, and just disregards that 90% of the population there were slaves.
let’s use the veil of ignorance for this one - when choosing a model society to aspire for pretend you have no idea where you’ll be placed in it. maybe 80% is doing decently, 5% is doing well, and 15% is doing really bad, are you ready to potentially become a part of the 15%? if not, let’s find a different model
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I get the feeling that this anon would read A Brave New World and have an issue with it being labeled dystopian fiction.
Even the author of BNW wasn’t sure of the world really was a dystopia or not. A lot of people do seem to have a lot of freedom, and most seem happy (or at least, not unhappy). Sure, a lot of questionable things have been done to achieve that goal, but if 99% is happy with their life; can it really be a dystopia?
A lot of Westerners look at dictatorships and authoritarian states and cannot comprehend why the citizens would accept such a fate. The answer is: food, safety, housing, and cultural and religious homogeneity. People don’t really care that much what the people in charge are doing as long as their life is good.
I once had a multiple hour long discussion with someone who claimed it’s clearly a utopia… Free drugs, sex without consequences, guaranteed job,…
Freedom is for suckers apparently.
Maybe it was the same guy xD
Pretty scary, though. Impressive that you had the energy and care to talk to someone like that. I think my brain would have shrunk to a peanut and turned me into a clapping monkey. You are made of stronger stuff than I, my friend.
Big “The Imperium of Man are actually the good guys” energy.
Weren’t they though? Like they were absolutely horrible but last I remember most everything else in WH was also somehow worse than them so they are the “good”-er guys.
First of all, there’s a big difference between “the good guys” and “not quite as horrible as all the others”. Second, T’au, Aeldari, and the Leagues of Votann exist. They all have their own flaws, there are literally no good guys, but overall they’re fine. If you compare the Imperium with the Drukhari or Chaos, yeah sure you can’t get much worse. But saying, even in the Warhammer 40k universe, that anyone who’s better than that are “the good guys” is absurd.
Ask the IRL Christians how the nuclear family shit is going. No shortage of cheating and drug abuse happening, I bet
wouldnt a superearth have a much higher gravity, which humans cant survive anyways,
they’re talking about Super Earth, a fictional polity, and not a super-Earth, a type of exoplanet
it can be two things. Can you imagine how dense their gyro would be? like, so much beefy lamby tzatzikiy goodness spinning around freely in three axes?
Nonononono, it just produces superstrong superhumans…
why are they wearing the Orville uniforms
They even have a pet son
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Is this helldivers? The game where half of a planet’s population is forcibly turned into big fuel every few years?
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Theres a reoccuring problem with bigly brained thinkers where they omit all the terrible shit and look at only what the propaganda wants them to. Even in a game this remains true.
tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Most clips from Starship Troopers on YouTube have filled comments’ sections with people waxing about how based the society is and it’s actually a utopia (to your point).
Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 weeks ago
A lot of people I’ve met would honestly happily take a 50% chance to be sacrificed to ensure that those who aren’t chosen live a happy life. I have no doubt that they’d think that right up until they’re actually chosen, then they’d scream bloody murder about how unfair it is.