“I mean it’s not rocket science, guys.” - Boromir
Why nor????
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Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
one does not simply ICBM into Mordor.
Also. we can easily create temperatures far exiding mount Doom’s lava.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Maybe even ye olde thermite could do something
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I think it’s not about the temperature of mount doom, but the magical effects of the ring being forged there. But I could be way off…
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s more about a plot device, so any attempt at destroying it anywhere else is bound to fail. alternative, launch it into space like the Voyager,
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
since the ring posesses magical powers, maybe you can trigger it to release a “magical explosion” some how. but MAGIC is very nebelous in lotr, very little spellcasting, or magical attacks, or effects magic.
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Really it was a time issue. Even if you assume the hobbits of the Shire had both the technological capacity to create a functional guided rocket and the industrial capacity to manufacture it ready to go, it takes around about a decade to bring a rocket development program from conception through to completion, even optimistically. Factor in the fact that there’s a single unique and irreplaceable payload and if you fail to hit the target you’ve basically delivered the ring to Sauron, given it’s apparent indestructibility, the reliability requirements would push the development time back a lot. It might take 20 or 30 years for the rocket to truly be ready for that mission. They were only able to confirm that what they’ve found actually is the one ring less than a couple years from when Sauron would have invaded everyone, so even with the most optimistic possible appraisal of the military industrial complex of the free peoples of Middle Earth there simply wasn’t time. It’s one of those projects where throwing more bodies at it just slows things down.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but what if you’re working with dwarves? And using elvish technology for a guidance system?
ulterno@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Perhaps need more lore information before we can understand how well the Elvish guidance systems would work under the full effects of Sauron’s eye, which, considering the perceived threat and opportunity (in case destabilisation of the rocket is successful), on top of the ease of application (it would be in-air, easier to pick, as compared to little ground targets moving among other landscape objects), I’d say Sauron would put full attention onto the missile.
Much easier to just find a way to build a better furnace.
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is more of an orbital nuclear defense question since Mordor has a pretty in depth strategy against this sort of threat. Frodo probably didn’t consider this option because of the Pan-Middle Earth nuclear deescalation agreement of the second age, sub section 2, page five, which if violated could have big international downstream effects.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Legit question. Can the ring influence targeting computers over long distances? Or modern llms?
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
No but I’m sure it literally would affect any mortal programming the computer, or seeing the LLM out with such a purpose.
ulterno@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
affect any mortal programming the computer
You don’t need the ring nearby when programming the computer.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Because Elrond cut the the budget of Revendell NASA to spend more money on some project to make elves self-deport.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Counterpoint.
What if they buried it, like real deep, like 50m+ deep.
It was at the bottom of a river for 2500 years, it’s honestly more effective than taking the ring right into enemy land.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you read the books, a lot of people thought Sauron wasn’t ever getting the One back because they were convinced it must’ve been swept out to sea.
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t put it past the ring to manipulate some octopus to carry it back to land.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Question, if I have an unbreakable ring, what cool things could an engineer do with that?
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well it’s interesting that it makes regular ringing/metallic sounds when it’s dropped(at least in the movies), so it is not inelastic. Which means it could be deformed if placed under extreme force but it would always spring back into shape. So I think it might be the world’s most powerful spring.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
is there something useful that can be done with just ONE unbreakable spring?
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
A drill bit, maybe?
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It really depends on the other material properties. Like if it’s as slippery as nylon vs as slippery as rubber is really gonna change things. Plus how does it react to outside forces trying to destroy it? Absorption? Diffusion? Conversion (like heat into sound or something).
All that would drastically change what you could do with it
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the question is, with only ONE of those rings, is there something useful to be done?
the_strange@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Give it to someone like Styropyro, they’ll figure out how to break it.
canadian_commie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, it all looks so simple.
sniggleboots@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
And my Δv!
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
B’cause XOR!!!
Lioffproxy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is what I was waiting for. You know the theory of the eagles and Tom bombadil having the power to save everyone and not using it? What if the reason they didn’t is because they can’t. As in when they enter mordor they lose their power. Whereas the hobbits were removed from the magical doings of the world and therefore somewhat immune. Even galaxriel was temtpted by the ring. Bobmbadil probably only has power in his forest and the eagles only showed up after sauron’s defeat but the eagles were on the spot right quick. Meaning they had to be close by. Which means they probably intended to be there and were waiting for wards to drop so they could help. Maybe.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
My theory about Bombadil is that he was Tolkien’s avatar in Middle Earth. Like, “I’m the one writing this story, I created this world, I’m more powerful than the gods of this realm, but if I solve all your problems right now then there wouldn’t be a story so I’m not going to do that.”
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There’s also the issue of anti-air defense in general. You can see those eagles from miles away.
ulterno@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Yeah, and the AA capabilities of Saruman would mean that even a highly manoeuvrable hypersonic cruise missile would have pretty low chances to get past, while the Sauron’s eye seems like it could mess with onboard electronics.
Kauhuhu@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There was a gif or a video montage of Boromir trying to catapult the ring to Mordor. Im on the move and cant search properly. But would be ideal for this discussion.
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The ring is still embedded on the mountainside
someguy3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s your equation to enter the cave?
OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Oops, you missed the cave and now you’ve just invented Middle Earth’s fastest possible way to return the Ring to Sauron.
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If you increase ∆v enough it cancels out the equation for entering the cave.
Liz@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Couldn’t you make it a bunker buster?
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s gravity’s rainbow not gravity’s bilbo
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sauron the deceiver applauds your drone delivery.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Well for one, if they missed then they would basically be express shipping the ring back to Sauron…
Liz@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
What in the heck is that graph? Abundance as a function of time?? What? But the data looks a lot more like some kind of EMR spectrum?
BluTato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Probably a chromatogram from a gas chromatograph.
Liz@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
I think you’re right, but now we’ve got the issue that such a spectrum makes zero sense for a pure compound. Why can’t my memes be scientifically perfect???
Fossifoo@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
He knew Uruk-hai have air superiority and overwhelming AA.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Hobbit rockets never leave the ground. They use pipe-weed as fuel and, by T plus 60 of any launch, the engineers are all giggling on the launch pad eating funions as a quick post-elevenses snack.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
That would explain why Gandalf likes visiting the Shire so much