Literally only USA ever thought USA was the good guys
Anon questions some decisions
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works to greentext@sh.itjust.works
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Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ehhhh, we had a perception as the big damn heroes after tipping the scales in WW2 and then with the founding of the UN, being the only member state that wasn’t devastated by WW2, positioning us as the de facto enforcer. There was some very limited good work done in that context that got good press in Europe. But we were also overthrowing democratic south American nations nonstop during that time… And everything since…
There have been times that others thought we were the good guys, but they were probably just wrong.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Somehow nobody remembers that the nazis literally copied their plan from USA.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah… All those deaths at the loss of USAID are evidence that the programs weren’t doing anything in the first place.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The USSR did most of the heavy lifting, though. But it’s true that without US military aid and intelligence, the USSR might not have fared as well in WW2.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
America had a positive perception among the countries it offered loans to help rebuild (Western European countries, Japan). Keep in mind that a lot of the colonial and slavery based wealth that Europe accrued was essentially transferred to the US during WW2. By the end of world war 2, the British empire was essentially bankrupt with most of the world’s gold reserves now in the US and greater than 50% of global industrial output being US based so the economic outcome was immensely positive for America. It makes sense that your allies would gong your drum when you are offering to finance their reconstruction.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The USA has funneled tens of billions of dollars into international propaganda, to the point that Albanians erected a statue praising George W. Bush for an intervention he campaigned against four years earlier.
The UK is embarrassingly pro-American, to the point of doing mass arrests of their own citizens for denouncing the Gaza Genocide. Germany is embarrassingly pro-American, with the leading parties effectively operating as proxies for the Biden and Trump administrations. The Italians endlessly pander to Americans for business investment. The Hungarians are barely more than an extension of The Heritage Foundation think tank. Alberta, Canada is fully MAGA pilled, with Ottawa close behind. Argentina is saturated in American fanaticism. Chile just flipped to a pro Trump president. The Philippines and Japan are both climbing onto the bandwagon with India and Saudi Arabia.
It’s bad out there, boys.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t include India in that group (the relationship has soured a bit recently) but your point on the effectiveness of their propoganda is certainly valid.
rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Nobody pushes drugs.
Americans gobble up drugs like Hungry Hippos and the cartels are just violent psychopaths that want to be the distributors.
Starski@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Lmao, you do realize that drugs are a global thing, right?
rafoix@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They are.
If you look up who consumes the most drugs I think you’ll find some really fun facts. Not only do more people in the US consume drugs but the quantity is also noticeably higher than anyone else.
The pusher theory is bs. Nobody is out there handing out free drugs to get people hooked.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
the cartels are just violent psychopaths that want to be the distributors.
You talking about the CIA/DEA cartel?
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Afghanistan Nothing to do with Al Qaeda
Maybe /pol/ isn’t the best source for deep thoughts.
malle_yeno@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah that’s like, a very basic fact to mess up so badly. Noone seriously disputes that Al-Qaeda did 9/11 (not just “helped” do it) and the country the US invaded that had nothing to do with 9/11 was Iraq, not Afghanistan.
Americans have a collective memory that lasts more than 3 years challenge (impossible difficulty)
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah, like how people in Mexico do illegal things so USA should bomb the fuck out of Mexico… Right? jfc.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Just yesterday Trump admitted it was for the oil. Which also has the benefit of distracting from the Epstein files.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Epstein Files are a distraction from the ongoing genocide in Gaza
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
The ongoing genocide in Gaza is a distraction from the planet getting hotter
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Its all a d8straction from the rest, they have literally outlined this strategy in public. Fuck the issues, we all know what needs to be done.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s oil and rare earth… but also the pretext if maduro being a dictator is true.
ahornsirup@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Not that the 20 year occupation of Afghanistan wasn’t an absolute clusterfuck, but the Taliban were harbouring Al-Qaida leadership. To say otherwise is just denying historical facts.
DandomRude@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, hey, yes, you’re right, there’s that too: the US also invented the concept of the “war on terror”, which has now been adopted by Israel, for example, to justify the genocide of the Palestinians. It’s really handy when you can just “excuse” the cold-blooded murder of thousands upon thousands of civilians with the argument that they are all supposedly terrorists. All you have to do is say, hey, they’re harboring terrorists, so let’s kill them all, including the women and children - the more we kill, the better, because once they grow up, they’ll all be terrorists.
ahornsirup@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here? That we should deny inconvenient facts because they don’t fit simple black-and-white narratives? The War on Terror spawning countless atrocities against civilians doesn’t retroactively justify 9/11 or sheltering those responsible for it.
IronBird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
israelis were killing palestinians long before the war of terror though
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ignoring context and facts is a big part of the over simplified ‘usa is evil’ narrative that many here are hopelessly wedding to.
the concept that international politics is about power… and not morality is really beyond most of the moralizing lemmites who seem to think somehow if they were in charge everything would be peace and harmony. or china and russian aren’t also imperialistic powers.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
True. What’s also true, and adds context to the clusterfuck, is that the Taliban wouldn’t exist if thr US didn’t fund and arm extremists 50 years ago in order to prevent the spread of communism in Afghanistan.
thomasloven@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s like the old saying, ”If USA saw what A was doing to B they would invade C to ’protect D from E.’”
NewDark@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
If we really cared about drugs we would have drone struck the sackler family.
krashmo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you smoke it you’re an addict, if you take it in a pill you’re an upstanding citizen.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
If you smoke it, your dealer is a scumbag criminal. If you take it in a pill, your dealer is privileged beyond all imagination.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I must have missed the pro-XTC/MDMA propaganda.
atro_city@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
They are becoming self-aware 😮
Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
anyone born before the 2000’s know this already. any youngling coming across this thought today, i just have to say you are also part of the problem. ignorance is not the dismissal of wrong doing.
BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah, you’re right, but also, the commenter above isn’t just being mean for the sake of it, there is a real issue at the heart of it.
The issue is that having 1 person come around to your side implies the millions that don’t and won’t.
Some of those people simply don’t share any underlying morals in common so that’s fine, you’ll never see eye to eye in ideas because your goals are ultimately different.
Some of those people also just don’t care and/or don’t know.
Some people will never care, and that’s fine too, but some of those people will care if they do know.
Spreading information to those people is tough when you don’t have backing of the govcorp media ecosystem and it doesn’t help when the ideas you want to get across are sophisticated, boring and fairly nuanced and require lots of context.
It also doesn’t help that this would-be progressive in their ignorance could be damaging to the cause when misinformed, which means that sometimes you have to argue against this person and potentially turn them off the movement forever, because you never really know whether it’s possible to sway someone until you do.
That’s what makes ignorance trolling or JAQing so effective because progressives will either have to waste time explaining openly to someone who will never agree and only feigns ignorance, or risk being potentially a confrontational asshole with a genuinely ignorant person.
It also doesn’t help morale of said progressive when confronted with all that, that many of us simply learned about this information on our own, we never asked anybody of anything, we just explored enough perspectives on issues we cared about until our bullshit-o-meters were finely tuned enough to find truth and construct a path from reality now to future we’d like.
On the other hand, convincing some people who are actually sway-able to not want the world to function like a war crime can be like pulling teeth, people are zealous defenders of their opinions because it reflects badly on their self-esteem if they are misinformed and someone else isn’t, especially in the Information Age.
I speak from a progressive viewpoint but it’s just as true for any real ideological position, information is the fuel that turns simple moral beliefs into functional ideology.
For as long as we live in a democracy, we need to somehow solve the systemic issue of ignorance at scale without inventing a ministry of truth type situation and being able to effectively counter trolling and JAQing/sealioning while also treating those asking questions with the utmost care and having the emotional stamina to do that when many of us had nothing of the sort.
It’s a tough position, even describing it or explaining it is tough enough already when fewer and fewer people even seem to even just read at all.
Then there is often just confusion over what someone open to information actually wants, e.g. the Adam Something guide to dating video he made where he said that teenage and adolescent men want instructions and not philosophical musings on the concept of dating and purpose and approach came as a genuine shock to me, because from my, non-male perspective I can’t imagine anyone needing instructions or explanations of that sort of thing.
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Nah, another approach is better because it makes you feel superior. That’s what the most important thing!
Soulg@ani.social 2 weeks ago
You are the reason people think leftist politicians cannot win. Young people learning the truth and coming to the correct side and people like you telling them they’re the problem and to fuck off.
Turret3857@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
fistac0rpse@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
RIP KingCobraJFS
omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Fuck sickos, RIP Cobes
fistac0rpse@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
twu
Larry@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I was listening to his christmas album today lol
fistac0rpse@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
hahah, me too. it's so awful, I love it
lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I miss him. Gonna pour one out for him rn 🫗
fistac0rpse@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
indeed, chairbugs be drinking good tonight. check this out for a classic Cobra vocal cover: https://youtu.be/hGZqob-j8-A
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Well that’s how a few hundred military bases can change perception lmao.
Tagger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
NewDark@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
And the CIA had a hand in the Opium trade in Afghanistan while we were there.
The US is comically evil abroad, and getting worse domestically every day.
atro_city@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’ll pick “Escuelita de las Americas curricula by 150 Alex”
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
US is comically evil everywhere the light touches
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That is incorrect, they are just comically evil when it comes to protecting/creating business opportunities and preserving their power/influence, which is just 99.9%
Eh, who am I kidding, the US government is so tightly intertwined with business that their diplomats might as well be marketing officials for private industry.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Fascism is imperialism turned inward. The US fears losing its grip on power so it’s begun to cannibalize itself in a desperate bid to restore its dominance.