I hate that everything now is a subscription service instead of buying it and do whatever you want.
Capitalism leads to innovation they say! This is an innovation in a way some may say !
You didn't bought it you rented it!
Submitted 1 year ago by Crispy_Mate@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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jungekatz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
insertfloppydiskhere@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Okay so I see all this talk about ducky printers but if I want one that’s not trying to guck me over which would that be?
snobben@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Brother printers are fantastic. They cost a but more upfront but actually work
Jamie@jamie.moe 1 year ago
Additional hot take: get a laser printer for your normal documents and just get photos printed somewhere else. The money you’d spend buying 4x6 photos on someone else’s ink and paper would probably be less than you’ll pay for color ink unless you’re an absolute photo printing maniac. And a laser printer toner cartridge will last you like 1,000+ pages.
CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yep, I bought a Brother laser printer for $120 a few years ago. I don’t use it super often, but it’s been reliable and easy to use whenever I need it. I’ve never had to replace the toner. It just works.
johnnyjayjay@feddit.de 1 year ago
Needed something to print the occasional document for bureaucracy stuff, and I also got a Brother printer a while ago. Used, laser (very important for good value imo), 100 bucks. An older model, black-and-white but with wifi support. Didn’t need to register my license, create a cloud account or whatever other shit companies come up with these days, I could just turn it on and it worked.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’re incredibly reliable. I’ve had the same Brother laser printer for a good 15 years now. Possibly longer. Old enough that there’s no wifi or bluetooth options, but it’s a network printer because it has ethernet.
skulblaka@kbin.social 1 year ago
Second the recommendation for a Brother. I've rarely had problems with them. Above all do NOT buy an HP printer because they come with every form of nickel-and-dime known to mankind.
Alternatively, for the once in a blue moon that the average person needs to actually print things in the modern day, bring your local library a fiver and use their printer. This is the way I do things, because I rarely ever need to print a document. When I do, it's a ten minute drive and a five dollar or less cost and then I don't have to bother with owning a printer.
But in general, Brother is a good brand, and a laser printer will be less hassle and easier to manage than an inkjet, but will have a bit higher purchase cost.
wren@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Yes on the Libraries! Libraries are often incredibly cheap for printing, and most of them have an online uploading tool so you can print things from your home computer or phone without any hassle. Plus, at least at the library I work at, we have incredibly high quality printers and your docs / photos will come out a lot better than how they would if you were at home, as well as a scanner that can give you a 600dpi TIFF file
Just please try not to hand us a twenty for something that costs 1/100th of that - we often don’t have enough small bills to make change. (Or do and put it on your account for later, if that’s an offered option, or better yet donate the remainder 😉)
ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A lot of my printing happens when parents visit. They love to print everything. I’m much more likely to use the scanner on my Brother printer than actually print.
bleistift2@feddit.de 1 year ago
In Germany there are a lot of stores that let you use their printer for 10ct per page. Is this not the case in the US (or wherever you live)?
uint32@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Brother ist the way to go. Also OK Form Linux in my experience
johnnyjayjay@feddit.de 1 year ago
From my experience, printer support on Linux is often better than on Windows because all the drivers are included in the kernel and you don’t have to go driver hunting on obscure websites.
bufordt@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The new brothers also work fine with chrome os.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I just got around to setting up my Brother MFC-2750DW in OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. I was prepared for a long process, but Brother publish Linux drivers for it and the whole setup took about 5 minutes. Works perfectly over wifi.
jerrimu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most hp models are fine, I have a laser jet I swear by.
tlit341569@lemmy.world 1 year ago
you will own nothing and you’ll be happy
m3t00@lemmy.world 1 year ago
learn to print to pdf and save the file. can always print but even better you can email it etc. brother laser scanner is best I’ve owned. son bought me one of these, “Brother MFC-L2710DW series Printer” to replace a still working brother laser 2170w, 10 yo. I don’t print a lot but wife prints every receipt which end up in the trash
masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Fuck HP
dog_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, through an HP’s building window
Epson, HP are assholes… Japanese are brothers
HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Haven’t had a problem with my second hand Epson ink tank.
dog_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have an HP Printer… Actually 2. I didn’t want another HP Printer, and I especially did not want another InkJet Printer. Yet we were persuaded into a new printer we’ve used like 20 times since we bought it.
thatdukeluke@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s always funny to see content creators you watch appear randomly somewhere else Wendigoon is a great long form content creator for unfiction and conspiracy theories and here he is talking about a printer.
Crispy_Mate@lemmy.world 1 year ago
True I followed him because I loved his conspiracy iceberg playlist.
thatdukeluke@lemmy.world 1 year ago
His video about the Waco siege was what really got me into his videos.
Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yeh very weird for me as I discovered this YouTuber last week.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is unfiction like scp stuff where it ::: pretends not to be real?:::
Also, is there any meaningful difference between that and magical realism?
thatdukeluke@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, you can count SCP as unfiction they are stories meant to suspend disbelief so in-story they are taken as fact. A good example, if you want to dive into unfiction, I really like the “Monument Mythos” series it is really interesting.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fuck HP.
Source: my dad worked at HP so most of my computers and printers growing up were HP.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
it was an amazing company that did legendary, pioneering research and development and made outstanding research tools. the HP of today is the result of 50 years of mergers, acquisitions, conglomeration, and violent shittification.
joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The HP you mention still exists today as Hewlett-Packard Enterprises, a separate company from HP Inc, which is the consumer-facing brand. It’s very similar to what Motorola did in splitting into enterprise and consumer companies.
traveler01@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Worse of all is that nowadays even some cars have some subscription based features, that already came with the car. It’s a shit practice and should be outlawed.
Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The only subscription I am willing to pay for monthly is the fee for 5G as that is outside of the manufacturers control.
If you won’t let me pay to get the upgraded lights when I buy the car but only offer a subscription for them, I’m not going to buy a car from you, end of story.
traveler01@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Yeah so basically connectivity services, makes complete sense charging for those specially if the car came with a sim card integrated and needs to connect to ISPs in different countries.
itsmaxyd@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Back in my days we were able to purchase the printers
Raxiel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can still purchase your own HP ink cartridges, it’s only the optional subscription cartridges that require an ongoing payment.
Whether it’s good value is an exercise for each individual, but the monthly costs usually work out less than buying them outright, unless you’re an exceptionally low user and can stretch a set of retail carts over two years (without them drying up)
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemm.ee 1 year ago
If cancelling an ink subscription disables your printer, then you don’t own that printer.
0235@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe not the same, as its more of a service contract. At work, we have had a site which has been closed for 2 years. for 2 whole years, every week the vending machine company arrive, try to get in, can’t, ring us, and we say “that site is closed”.
Well we finally after 2 years got them to remove that site from their system?
Their response? to remove ALL food from ALL vending machines at all our sites, to remove the coffee machines, and to remove the water coolers. The water coolers are especially egregious, as they just sit there doing nothing. they are from tap water, so not even replacing bottles etc.
Sometimes subscriptions are useful. I wish the BBC TV licence in the UK was a subscription. I cannot justify spending £150 on a licence for an entire year, just to watch a month of shows. but other times it sucks. I just want Microsoft office. I don’t care if it will cost me £200. Right now my favourite game is subscription based, but i don’t think i can justify the £9.99 a month, or £50 for a whole year. £50 for lifetime access? maybe.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 year ago
LibreOffice has more functionality and it’s actually free
programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
With the current situation, no way you are getting a lifetime access. Companies have discovered that people actually pay for subscriptions even if they don’t add anything worthwhile to keep you renewing.
You are just renting and there is no option to buy.
lostferret@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can still buy liscenses for office. I just bought a key off a shady vendor for $30 and have a fully activated, non subscription office 2022
ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 1 year ago
…until Microsoft decides to disable this obviously hacked Office
einlander@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Even worse, if you subscribe to the ink service with an HP printer, it will update the firmware. But if you decide to cancel the service, they don’t change the firmware so you now own a brick.
bob_wiley@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My dad seems to love their service. I don’t understand it. He pays per-page for a printer he bought and sits in his house. I challenged him on it and he stood is ground that it’s great. I just can’t wrap my head around that. Meanwhile he is against car companies making things like CarPlay a subscription.
Blaat1234@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you print regularly a lot, HP’s 6 cent per page, 100 pages per month plan is about the same price as a small black and white laser’s drum and toner.
But you can plan full page photos on photo paper with it for that 6 cent too, not just BW documents. I like it, a full year costs about the same as 1 set of XL OfficeJet ink and you never have to try to save money by going BW / draft mode. Just print whatever. Clean the head whenever needed. It’s all included.
Yes it is a subscription, but this one is actually useful.
callmepk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
HP Printers is definitely one of the worst printers right now; I hate you need a account to use your HP printers
godless@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You can still run the old software without account, as long as you never upgrade. Some third party file hosters keep it around. We got an HP at work and I refuse to give them even my business email.
SGG@lemmy.world 1 year ago
HP consumer stuff is crap.
Hp business/enterprise stuff is passable. HP is also fairly good when it comes to warranty work.
We’ve got a bunch of places with HP printers. Only one out of about 100 has been a complete lemon. In the past few years.
Fuji and Lexmark business ones are good as well.
TheBlue22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What are good printer companies? Fuck HP and Epson
elscallr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Get a Brother laser. Don’t bother with color.
0235@lemmy.world 1 year ago
people always say this, but 95% of what i print is index and reference cards that need colour :( I would love to get a B&W printer, but i need the colours.
mundane@feddit.nu 1 year ago
Brother
Kerrangutan@lemmy.one 1 year ago
HP certainly needs fucked with a pineapple, Epson otoh, I’m not so sure, I have two eco-tank printers and have had no issues with them whatsoever.
BlackRing@midwest.social 1 year ago
I have an ecotank too. No BS subscription shenanigans, painless to get it working. What impresses me is the lack of it breaking if it sits even months between uses, usually not even needing to be cleaned.
I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Epson are ok as long as you remember they’re descended from Tamagochis. Leave them alone for a month and they’ll sometimes clog up for ever.
Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
My Brother printer has been going for about 14 years, so I recommend them.
MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Buy a slightly older one. I have a cannon now, it’s works great.
Noedel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have an Epson ink tank one and it’s 100 times better than HP. Is Epson really that bad?
TheBlue22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had a terrible experience with epson
BellaDonna@mujico.org 1 year ago
Brother used to be a holdout, but they probably aren’t anymore.
Rhodin@kbin.social 1 year ago
If you get a Brother, it’s best to go with laser, as the toner will last ages. If you’re on a budget, the Brother inkejet I have gives zero shits what cartridges I put in there, as long as they’re the right shape. I usually have to clean the contacts on top of the cartridges before inserting like it’s an NES, though.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It’s so cool that we live in a world where you can 3d print a gun more reliably than you can 2d print an insurance card
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
3D print the insurance card!
Dasnap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can you homebrew a printer? Maybe fake responses to phone-homes?
sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You probably can
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes you can… but you have to live with the results of your craftsmanship.
I want an arduino BIC based printer
NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Anyone find a source or proof on this having happened?
EmperorHenry@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s a printer, and for fucks sake, BMW is locking you out of certain features of their cars if you don’t pay per month.
Telsa cars will drive themselves out of your house if you miss a payment.
Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was so sad to find out that Samsung pulled out of the printer business a few years back. I’ve had a Samsung color laser (it’s actually LED, but it looks like any other laser printer) for over 10 years and it has been nearly flawless all this time. I don’t print a ton and on an ink jet printer, then cartridges would have dried out between the few times I would actually need to print something. Then you’d waste like 1/2 the ink just to unclog it and realign everything. But this Samsung just doesn’t skip a beat if I let it sit for 3 months - it fires right up if I need something. And unlike HP’s offerings, the drivers for this printer aren’t like 2 GBs in size with a ton of bloatware.
OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This should be illegal, hell I have a TP-Link router and it’s got a subscription model for the features, that a decade ago were basic features of a router that you’re spending hundreds of dollars on. Unless we make it unpopular from a media/social standpoint, they’ll keep it up. Too make it worse, the router won’t even allow you to manually choose your own channels, you have to let it decide for you. Even if you have an IT background and can decipher the better channel, it decides to choose heavily trafficked channels on all bands. Let me make me own mistakes and learn, I don’t want to be forced like an invalid in a nursing home.
Thedogspaw@midwest.social 1 year ago
Welcome to the future you now have to pay a sub or learn how to jail break your printer to get full use of it owner ship is almost dead folks time to break up big printer so you can refill your ink cartridges and print without a subscription
Planetur@citizensgaming.com 1 year ago
I got a printer where I fill up the ink tank myself. Fuck all these other printers.
bassow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Meanwhile my laser Kyocera prints full color full duplex and is doesn’t try any funny business.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t get how this is legal, and my guess is that it isn’t in EU and many other countries that aren’t USA.
Anyone ever heard one of these stories from EU?
47_alpha_tango@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
This is only supposed to happen if you stop paying for Instant Ink. Buying a new cartridge should still work. I’d take the printer back to the shop you bought it from and tell them its broken.
Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 1 year ago
…I’ve somehow lived this long without realizing that HP printers apparently need subscriptions to run now.
Countmacula@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The printer business is tantamount to the gangster era. Fucking thieves.
Cryan24@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My last ever hp printer went in the e waste skip last week for a similar reason.
cajova_houba@lemmy.world 1 year ago
debit card on file had expired
How do you input your credit card into the printer? Or is this some printer-lease-contract situation?
ThirdNerd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So happy now that I’ve been too lazy to let my printer update anything for the last year.
a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 1 year ago
I have absolutely no idea why anyone buys inkjet printers or cartridge razors. There are perfectly good alternatives that don’t try and force you into a subscription model.
thenerdjournals@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve been wanting a laser printer for home use, can you recommend one?
a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 1 year ago
I’m not across the market sadly as I’m rocking an old Samsung colour laser that’s no longer available. In 15 years I’ve changed the toner cartridges once. It’s USB only, but a Raspberry Pi running CUPS converted it to a network printer.
My advice would be to go second hand on older laser printers. I just use my phone to scan documents these days.
CafecitoHippo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How much color printing are you doing? We went with a B&W Laser because we didn’t feel like paying the premium to move to a color laser printer but we don’t do enough printing in color to really justify it either. Usually if we want something in color, it’s photos to put in frames so it makes more sense to just send them to wallgreens or shutterfly or someting like that. If it’s documents we need in color, we just send them to staples. It’s not frequent enough and the money we save on just using toner (haven’t bought toner since 2019) makes up for any small cost increase per page on color prints.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Desktop laser printers are cheap nowadays, and they’re sooooo much better, at least for B&W.
The last time I used an inkjet that wasn’t straight bullshit was last century.
DE razors are great and you can get a year’s worth of blades for like $10. That said, they’re definitely harder to use than cartridges. There’s a learning curve but IMO it’s worth it. I wonder if there’s a wetshaving community here on Lemmy yet.
l0v9ZU5Z@feddit.de 1 year ago
I buy third party ink cartridges for my HP. No issue.