Why isn't jerking off more valorized as an easy dopamine hit that's also literally good for you?

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• NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  are there any proven negative effects?

  • The risk of becoming a dopamine addict.

  • Your dick gets more and more insensitive. Some day you cannot get off inside a woman anymore, because you need such a strong level of friction that only a hand can create.

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  • Apepollo11@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is that actually true? I suspect not.

    Most people start “enjoying their own company” years before getting to try for real.

    If there was a question of insensitivity, then surely problems would be much more prevalent at ages when people are enjoying themselves more frequently. But it’s not the case at all.

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    • dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I get what they’re trying to say, but they also carefully omit very important details. There are a lot of things that can be unbelievably bad for you, but essential in moderation. This is really no different. If you aggressively jerk off 15 times a day, obviously you are completely screwing yourself in multiple ways, but in moderation, it’s good for your body

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    • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also at an age when your libido is essentially unlimited. Were the opportunity to present itself, these people could adequately perform for 15 different partners in a row.

      Desensitization takes time. By the time it sets in, most people are past the age of unlimited libido. There are also different forms of sensitivity (and thus, desensitization). OP referred to physical, but mental seems to be a more common issue.

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That second one sounds more like an endurance cheat code than anything else

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    • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thinking about it, being circumcised probably reduces sensitivity a lot more than cranking the hog on the regular.

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    • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      endurance cheat code

      LOL

      But you may want to think twice:

      Endurance by reduced sensory input could also mean reduced pleasure.

      Endurance by enhanced self control is what you really want, because then you can get more pleasure overall. It comes with age and practising (the real one).

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  • Drusas@kbin.run ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The second one really depends on how you masturbate. Death grip is a bad thing if you want to also get off during sex.

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    • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also like saying that eating too much makes you not hungry, no shit einstein

      if anything i’d posit that cranking the hog makes you more sensitive, because you’ll be so used to it that abstaining for a week is almost unbearable, much like how most people in developed countries feel a pit in their stomach if they don’t eat for half a day.

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  • solomon42069@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    • Thank you Mr Science, for the claim of addiction to a chemical produced by the body. Very smart.
    • Citation needed, literally everyone’s got different equipment. Some people are more sensitive, others less. Some people get piercings in their back to increase sensitivity, others are already so ticklish they shiver just from the touch.

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  • moon@lemmy.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait until you hear about sugar if you think dopamine hits are bad lol. Also number 2 is just made up.

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  • erp@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well I’m not this guy so I think I’ll be just fine

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• StaySquared@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Literally good for you, eh?

  Masturbate right before gym, then go train. Note how your performance was. Especially if its a squat or a deadlift day.

  Note down what time you went to sleep, when you woke up, and every meal you ate (all calories, including macros).

  Now refrain from masturbation from that day onto the next session you have of the same exercise, make sure you go to sleep within the same time the night before, wake the same time the day of training, and ate the same exact meals, go train the same exact exercise, same sets, reps, and weight. Note your performance.

  yeah yeah down vote me.

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  • chemicalprophet@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is pretty incel-ish. Here’s an article linking several studies which contradict your anecdotal suggestions. But you keep not fucking, I’ll cover for you!

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  • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Positive results on a quasi-scientific self-experiment is not a good way to gain knowledge. At best it is how you specifically react to the variables introduced; however, it seems that you only performed this self-experiment on two separate occasions or perhaps only when you planned to go to the gym. Although your attempt to limit confounding variables is commendable, it is not enough to reach a conclusion. To definitely find the truth on the matter, many more participants must be enrolled and the experiment should last for at least three weeks, but hopefully much longer than so as to definitely reduce any confounding variables that will influence the results (sleep quality, nutrition, stress, alcoholic beverages, etc.). Some of the better studies regarding physical performance were running for around six months just for this reason.

    Specifically regarding your self-experiment, if it was indeed performed as one session vs. one other session, there could be any number of confounding variables that could have effected your performance other then masturbation. Did you keep a sleep journal during the experiment (recording night mood, morning mood, amount of sleep)? Did you consume alcoholic beverages in the seven days leading up to the session? What was your specific workout routine?

    In my opinion you should continue this experiment, but record more data for longer amounts of time; say six months of abstention, and six months of regular masturbation. Of course, this produces it’s own confounding variables because it could very well be that the result you get has nothing to do with whether or not you masturbated, but rather the gains you made during the first trial period. Which is why to be able to tell people what is truth and what is incorrect, more participants must be recruited to validate the results; otherwise, it will only ever be (again) at best (i.e. confounding variables properly accounted for), how you specifically react to abstention.

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      With only a single event, it could be something as boring as what music you listened to during a workout. That can actually have a pretty strong influence, where maturation at best has a small influence, if any. If that were the case, the Olympics wouldn’t be full of athletes fucking, because releasing their sperm somehow has a negative effect on performance. (If you believe it’s only maturation, not sex, I’m going to need you to consider what mechanism could possibly effect this, because I can’t think of any.)

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t notice much of a difference personally and I have several years of consistent workout logs to go off.

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  • TheColonel@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nobody tells this guy when to cum!

    And I mean nobody!

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  • Cowbob12@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m actually curious on this one, I don’t have gym equipment or membership, is there something else I can do to compare performance if I were to masturbate vs if I didn’t?

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s all old coaches tales. Olympic athletes not only masturbate but actively fuck each senseless during the Olympics and you don’t see any effect on their performance in the slightest. If you are such a wimp that busting a nut makes you lose your breath sooner when jogging, then you have different medical problems. Cardiac atrophy for example. Masturbating barely even burns calories to begin with.

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    • Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ignore a rando on the Internet?

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You could do bodyweight stuff. Pushups, pullups, squats, core work, etc.

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• SeattleRain@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One major reason is that feminism, which deeply influences culture, posits that all men are rapists in the waiting. For an example here a quote from a prominent and influential feminist.

  "Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

  • Andrea Dworkin

  This chills any frank discussion of male sexuality because that would be implicit endorsement of sexual assault.

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  • Moneo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah yes, feminism, an ideology that consists solely of extremist views. I’m not even well versed in feminism and I know that Andrea Dworkin is quite extreme and is a polarizing figure.

    If you have reduced feminism to the views of a single extremist than you really need to get your shit together.

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    • SeattleRain@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It doesn’t consist of all extreme views but many mainstream feminist ideology had extremists views.

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  • snek_boi@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You raise an excellent point that the quote from Andrea Dworkin portrays a rather extreme and controversial view that is not representative of feminism as a whole. In fact, many prominent feminists have strongly disagreed with Dworkin’s perspective.

    For example, Laura Tanenbaum, a respected feminist writer, has bluntly called Dworkin’s views “shit.” (1) Wendy McElroy, in her book XXX: A Woman’s Right to Pornography, also presents a feminist case against Dworkin’s anti-porn stance (2). As the esteemed feminist scholar Dr. Dale Spender has eloquently put it, “Feminism['s battles] have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions, for safety in the streets, for child care, for social welfare, for rape crisis centres, women’s refuges, reforms in the law.” (3)

    This demonstrates that feminism is a broad movement focused on expanding women’s rights and opportunities - not demonizing male sexuality. In fact, as Amartya Sen compellingly argues in Development as Freedom, the expansion of women’s capabilities is essential for the betterment of all people. When women have more voice, choice and agency, it leads to progress in areas like health, education, and poverty reduction that benefit entire communities.

    So while Dworkin’s quote may get attention for its shock value, I would encourage looking to the many other feminist thinkers who take a more nuanced, constructive and less male-antagonistic approach. Feminism is not about vilifying men and male sexuality, but rather about advancing gender equality in a way that uplifts everyone. There is room for an open, healthy dialogue about sexuality within a framework of mutual understanding and respect between women and men.

    (1) Laura Tanenbaum, “The Appeal and Limits of Andrea Dworkin,” Jacobin, August 5, 2019, jacobin.com/…/andrea-dworkin-last-days-at-hot-sli….

    (2) McElroy, Wendy. XXX: A Woman’s Right to Pornography. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1995.

    (3) Cleal, Olivia. “Australian ‘Feminist’s Feminist’ Dr Dale Spender AM Dies Age 80.” Women’s Agenda, November 27, 2023. …com.au/…/australian-feminists-feminist-dr-dale-s….

    (4) Sen, Amartya. Development as Freedom. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1999.

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  • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You do know that feminism promotes female masturbation, as well as male masturbation, right? As part of sexual liberation from religious patriarchal oppression. You know, the thing for which women were accused of being witches and burned at the stakes. The thing that it was only appropriate if a doctor did it for them.

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  • Teppichbrand@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is insane incel bullshit and you know it.

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    • SeattleRain@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Direct quotes are “insane incel bull****”? She really said that and the theme appears in all her writings.

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    • SeattleRain@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Her and Solanas both argued men have to be castrated before a feminsit transformation of sexuality can begin.

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  • moon@lemmy.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    did you know that women masturbate as well lol

    Also this is insanely incel

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  • SeattleRain@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Test

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• thezeesystem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Often times it’s about control over people. Whether it’s religion or capatilism sense it’s something you can do yourself for free that gives you pleasure. Capatilism can’t force you to pay for enjoying yourself and religion doesn’t want you to do things that they don’t control

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  • Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For fuck sakes. Not everything has to do with capitalism. Puritanical belief exists long before capitalism, communism or whatever economic system you want to paint as the boogyman. And it will exist long after.

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  • Emerald@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah I don’t think there it some capitalist conspiracy trying to stop people from masturbating. Kellogg is long dead

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• kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because they are fools, brother. They fear what we could become if we were free to train out techniques to their maximum without societal judgment

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• solomon42069@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Religion is mostly to blame, but I think some of those religious teachings have been integrated into institutions and secular society as well. Notions that self gratification is a treat and not a need, the perception of masturbation that it’s some teenage boy temporary phase and not for women or older married men. The idea that it can’t be a social activity at all, even though it’s free and safer than drugs.

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• Nemo@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Neurotypicals look down on easy dopamine hits.

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• lath@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can die of a heart attack if you overdo it.

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  • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can die of cirrhosis from drinking too much for too long, but it’s still culturally held as a stress reliever. You can die from diabetes if you eat too much sugar for too long, but it’s still sold to children as edible happiness. Hell, you can die slowly and painfully from taking too much Tylenol, but it’s still the world’s most popular painkiller by far.

    Too much of anything kills eventually. That doesn’t bare any significance to whether or not it’s good for stress in some amount.

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    • lath@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, I’d say knowing this can add some stress to it, so it does have some significance in a tiny amount.

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  • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel like my dick would fall off first

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  • BitchPeas@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also heart attack by pooping. I’ll keep masturbating and pooping, tyvm.

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    • lath@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Try them at the same time for a combo kill!

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  • Noodle07@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can die by drinking too much water, should I stop drinking water?

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    • lath@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Only if you’re drinking too much.

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  • bitwaba@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Couldn’t think of a better way to go

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• misterp@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s more valorized than you think. There are places on the internet that are very social and masturbatory. Check out bateworld. If you’re single and are a male looking for a male, be prepared to be disappointed chatting with hetero males that are married that get off on jerking off with other men behind their wives’ backs. That’s pretty much a major sector of the population on bateworld. I’m kinda gay, but I surmise that the hetero world and marriage makes the sex for the hetero males kind of boring. I can’t say why, I’m trying to figure it out. A survey, if you will. Basically, I predict that the end result to my survey will be: men really like their dicks because major dopamine. Men get bored with their wives because whatever reasons I don’t know about. Men like their own dicks and somehow society has taught them to like their dicks so much, to the point that they often send dick pics via SMS or Whatsapp. So then they start liking other dicks? Explain to me, the gay man, why hetero men enjoy seeing x-rated pornography where the dick is larger than the hole that it is penetrating. Is it connected to the dopamine? Anyway, bateworld seems to prove that men migrate towards jerking off as a dopamine hit and men in particular are very interested in socializing with other men in need of the dopamine hit, all the while getting off on the taboo against masturbation. Me, being kinda old, I remember the good old days when you went out drinking with high hopes of having your penis touched by another person, if only briefly. 2024 is a new world, in which men are seriously confused about dicks and dopamine.

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  • wensl@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think this is a case of “The internet can take the niche 120 people out of the 8 billion on Earth and make them seem like they’re normal and everyone is like them”. Loud voice, itty bitty percentage of the population.

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    • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

      Thank goodness.

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    • misterp@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think you want to be right, but you should probably prove yourself right by signing up for a bateworld account and see for yourself. You’re probably meaning well, being a happily married, hetero male, and don’t want to believe that some of the hetero males you wave to as you drive past them, some of your cousins, or even your favorite co-worker with a wife and five kids, are probably on that web site jerking off to it.

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  • Wahots@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some people are bi+ and just aren’t out yet or don’t even know exactly what they are. And that’s fine. I also believe it’s probably a pretty small percentage of the population. Fwiw, you can be in a differing sex relationship and still be somewhat curious about the other side of the coin. I think the worst thing people can do is be ashamed of it, then hide it at all costs where it manifests as this sort of website. Instead of having conversations among friends and spouses and more healthy methods of exploring one’s sexuality, such as going to pride events and making diverse, enriching friendships.

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    • misterp@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      some people aren’t, and they like the taboo feel. really, don’t try to educate me. I know all about it. Try, instead, to be less blah. We’re not talking about “some people” we’re talking about men who are really into their penises. Your public service announcement, while making me yawn, also makes me think that you’re really not paying attention to what I’m talking about at all! These people I’m talking about are not gay, or questioning, or curious, or obsessed over their sexual orientations. They’re heterosexual. Heterosexual men enjoy their own penises. Your “intervention” is kind of stupid and uncalled for here. I’ll gladly talk to you about gay rights or whatever, but this is not the place. Biologically, I’m explaining, being a man and having a penis, you basically have an easy target to get some dopamine. We are formed this way. More women might like to chime in on this conversation. Are they getting easy dopamine hits off their clits? Were they raised to do this by their parents? No. Women are still subjected to shaming for sexual pleasure. Men, on the other hand, are encouraged to be aware of their pleasure organs. I really wish I could delete your bullshit comment. It has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

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• Peter_Arbeitslos@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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