Why anyone ever plays multiplayer is s confounding mystery to me. They must like being forced to rush and being abused.
TBH 6 was kind of a downgrade from 5
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Etterra@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Meron35@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Team Humans Vs Team AI is a very fun option. Lots of civs have really fun team synergy.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Ha, those friggin normies and their friendships. Whats up with that? Almost like spending time with people you trust and care about causes neuroendocrinal response of dopamine and endorphins resulting in feelings of happiness and fulfillment.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 months ago
causes neuroendocrinal response of dopamine and endorphins resulting in feelings of happiness and fulfillment.
Do people really feel that way? I’m just drained and glad to be home alone again.
Daxtron2@startrek.website 6 months ago
Sounds like you have shitty friends lol, my group would never do that.
Etterra@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Almost all my friends have kids now, so group anything is basically impossible, assuming we we even want to do the same thing at the same time.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Seems like it’s a valid choice in a competitive game. Unless there’s an option to disable military victories or explicitly play coop.
IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve been playing couch co-op with my husband on both of our Switches. It’s not too bad if you don’t force a turn timer. The game will give you a ding when you’re the last one to play, but we both have ‘side games’ or play with our cats in the meantime if the other needs more time. I wouldn’t do it online or with a turn timer, though.
Beanedwizard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Everyone shits on 6 but never actually gives a reason other than “5 iS bEtTeR!”. The mechanics in 6 are a massive improvement on 5; civics tree > social policies, city loyalty > happiness etc. It has a bigger and better roster of civs/leaders. Combat and religion are more fleshed out. I love both games but I can’t think of anything that 5 does better
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Comparing the Civs steals the joy they bring for their various reasons.
- Civ 1 was unlike anything else and so legendary it created the 4X genre.
- Civ 2 had the best espionage until an expansion for 4. Civ2 also defined the scope for all future Civs.
- Civ 3 was fine. Resources were a good addition and tile quirks, like Floodplains on top of another base tile like desert, helped bring tons strategy and gave the ability to grow Tall.
- Civ 4 was probably peak Civ for many people, especially including DLCs.
- Civ 5 removed unit stacking and made happiness a resource.
- Civ 6 emphasized the city development aspect and brought back the climate stuff from 2, 3, and 4.
They are all good but they are not collectively suitable for every person. Civ6 is amazing but it took me literally 30 hours to finally have it click. I also have 550 hours in Civ 6 and over 1200 in Civ 5. CiV is also a high water mark but it overshadows the real value and fun in 6.
It’s a shame most folks will ignore us and say 6 was bad for being too game like.
Meron35@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Civ 6 was made much more to be a digital board game. The combination of little to no multiplicative bonuses and generally small adjacency bonuses means you have to micro manage city planning all the time. It bombards the player with so many individual decisions that each make little impact.
Civ 5 felt much more like an empire simulator. The biggest bonuses come from making “big” decisions, like which policy tree, who/when to war, which ideology. As the game progressed, there was typically no need to micromanage.
The combat in civ 6 is atrocious after they removed the ability to build roads offensively for war until you unlock military engies (way too late in the game). Civ 5’s road system took ages to get up and running, but the payoff was immense.
The civics tree system is better, but the policy card system is broken. It gives players too much flexibility, so everyone ends up running the same/similar set of cards every time. Tradition + Rationalism is a meme in Civ 5, but it did offer more esoteric strategies with different trees.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
6 has many mechanics dumbed down, trade is just completely bugged, and it came wrapped in a very cartoonish style including several world leaders who were straight up mythological figures.
prunerye@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
It’s the micromanagement. When earlier games became tedious, I could just pick a quicker game speed, and I would suddenly feel like I was playing with more momentum. But in VI, it actually kills momentum, as if driving the slightly faster route to work at the cost of particularly frustrating traffic, since the most tedious micro isn’t turn-based, but city-based. You only have to plan districts/improvements once per city, so I find I can still have fun with VI if I play suboptimally (i.e., tall) on tiny maps and with mods that let me cram more civilizations into the game. I’ve probably put in a few hundred hours this way.
But I’d rather just play IV or V.
Blubber28@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah I prefer 6 over 5 any day, but there are a few small things that 5 does do better imo. I do prefer the more serious art style of 5, and I noticed that there is a lot less actual dialogue in a civs respective language compared to 5. While I do like automatic road creation, I do also miss being able to build it manually to have more control over where units can go. Finally, I think the happiness system in Civ 6 is a bit too easy, as it can be mostly ignored and very easily fixed compared to 5. Keeping your citizens happy was much more of a challenge there.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
5 had better pacing for mechanics, 6 bombards players with lots of things from the start and then goes a but flat.
ndondo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I like playing tall and I’m not a huge fan of the micromanagement that comes with the sprawling empires. Civ 5 limits this through happiness. Civ 6 doesnt. Throw in an artstyle that i dont like and i just dont want to play it as much
rtxn@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve got like 120 hours in Civ5. Unfortunately I couldn’t finish the second match.
elvith@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Wait, how did you even finish a single match in just 120 hours?!
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
Set the speed to the fastest.
rtxn@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
4 is peak for me. The only thing I dislike about 4 is the unit stacking making it hard to know if a unit is just 1 unit or 20 dudes in the same spot.
kinther@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Back in the civfanatics forum days, there were all sorts of mods for Civ4:BTS that made it so much cooler. After playing that and then playing Civ5, I was incredibly disappointed. Civ6 is better, but not by much. I still go back to Civ4 when I need my “one more turn” fix.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Fall from Heaven 2? Rise of Mankind? Caveman to Cosmos? Rhyes and Falls of Civilization? Dawn of Mankind? Planetfall? Mars Now? How about all of them at once?
Civ 4 was a goddamn library of 4X games. I still reinstall it after every few years.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 months ago
I hated the stacks. Idk why, but it was always confusing how big they should be. When they can’t stack it makes more sense to me. How many troops do I need? As many as I can fit.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
Just enough to encircle the thing I want to eliminate/capture.
razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Who actually plays Civ multiplayer?
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I know this won’t help you a whole lot, but I do.
Thrashy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The play-by-email mode was broken to the point of uselessness in Civ5 and I don’t think they fixed in it in 6 (you had to have an always-on Windows desktop system running the server, and because the game logic was integrated into the graphics engine you couldn’t run it headless, and then on top of that there was basically no working system to coordinate active DLCs between players so most of the time people couldn’t join even if you did get the damn thing running) so my friends and I tried once and gave up. I would love for 7 to have a robust PBEM system so that we can play together without needing to spend hours a week watching paint dry while everybody else plots their turns, but I’m not holding my breath.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
(you had to have an always-on Windows desktop system running the server, and because the game logic was integrated into the graphics engine you couldn’t run it headless, and then on top of that there was basically no working system to coordinate active DLCs between players so most of the time people couldn’t join even if you did get the damn thing running)
Jesus fuck. You should be able to run a game of Civ as a series of XML files, with the GUI being practically perfunctory. I am disappointed that the game isn’t backwards compatible, much less that you can’t integrate between DLCs.
What is functionally a feature-rich version of Diplomacy shouldn’t be this hard to integrate in Play-by-Post.
merari42@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I played all of civ 6 there is an I loved it. The add-ons were great and districts were definitely a cool idea. Civ 5 however had the better art style.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Well considering this ideas were taken from Endless Legend, you should give that a try. Or if you want something more Civ like, they also have Humankind, which is like Civ but better and the AI is really good (they made it even better now than before, and it was already way ahead of Civ’s NPC AIs). They also have a unique win condition with Fame.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Thousands of hours in every Civ since Civ III Complete came with an old PC I bought.
I’ve never touched multiplayer and never intend to. Don’t need friends to want to play the same single player game.
Speculater@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I like the idea of playing with friends, but fuck me if people don’t take for-fucking-ever to do NOTHING! Click, skip, move!!! It’s the first four turns, FUCKING go!!!
recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
I had tons of fun with 5, I got bored of 6 after a few hours and regretted not refunding it within the 2 hour window. It felt like a board game and a very mediocre one at that.
Zikeji@programming.dev 6 months ago
For future reference, the two hour window is more of a suggestion not a requirement. Just last week I refunded a game with 4 hours.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
2 Hour is enforced by steam, beyond that is the publisher’s preference.
Zehzin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m sorry, I’m that friend that gets really into Civ and spends way too long coming up with optimal strategies. I know I’m part of the problem and I won’t stop.
Land_Strider@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Have you tried Googling everything and spending tens of hours making optimal progress flowcharts that require hours to read over instead of playing the game?
Or, you know, just pour everything into science and forget don’t dare about getting distracted by other game mechanics.
s/ in case.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I gave up on Civ after you couldn’t automate settlers anymore. I really don’t need to spend time manually connecting my cities with roads. That’s just unnecessary grinding.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 months ago
With Civ VI the traders build the roads, so you just send a trader between cities you want a road built on.
Works just about the same except the source city gets some resources
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s definitely a little better, although honestly even doing the farmland stuff with every settler per term is a huge PITA. It’s just not what I play Civ games for. It’s always been possible to not have them automated if you don’t want them automated and not automated was the default. I don’t understand why they took that option away.
It just felt like V was a huge amount more about grinding. Sounds like that’s been somewhat rectified at least.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
On one hand it allowed you the freedom to manually decide if increasing tile upkeep was worth it and therefor gave rise to new strategies, but on the other hand it’s kind of not worth it 90% of the time.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
But didn’t you always have that freedom? You could always play without automating any settlers or automating some and not others. Or am I not understanding what you’re saying?
kamen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Friends? You guys have friends?
psmgx@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Still hasn’t been a better experience than Alpha Centauri
Decoy321@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That game was a fuckin masterpiece. I actually don’t want it remade because I worry it would never live up to the original.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Occasionally they just give games updated graphics and audio. I’d be fine if that was how they remade it. They did that with Grim Fandango and it was just as fun as the original.
hakase@lemm.ee 6 months ago
And 5 was a significant downgrade from 4.
callouscomic@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Better than a Paradox game.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 months ago
I actually stopped being friends with my college friends because of online games.
They literally would have me buy a game to play 30 minutes of it, get bored and then demand we play League of Legends or Valorant if they wanted to try and hit on girls in voice chat. They literally complain about how broke they are either living with their parents or in an apartment wlthey can barely afford and showed me how they spent at least $10k on League skins each over the years.
I just can’t throw away money like they do and never did. Plus the incel like behavior and really awful things they say while getting upset if you make fun of them at all has this air of delicate mentality that can’t handle any kind of stress even if it’s figuring out a new game made me want nothing to do with them.
So now I play single player games again or stardew because my SO only plays it.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Sounds like you’re just whipped but at least you’re happy.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 months ago
Because when I decide to play multiplayer I end up playing stardew with someone I enjoy spending time with?
Gosh I really thought the concept of whipped was dead though so thanks for that blast to precovid past.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Unciv/freeciv ftw
deaf_fish@lemm.ee 6 months ago
bruhduh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, i installed it on my 4k smart tv, it’s good to play it sitting on couch
Toneswirly@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It gets less fun for me every iteration. Cant say im excited for Civ 7
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I refused to buy Helldivers 2 for this reason and my friend bought it for me, I’m level 10 months later, what a waste of money…
papalonian@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Helldivers is at least cheaper than most other games. I’ve been playing the crap out of it both with friends and randoms and having a lot of fun. Hoping I don’t lose interest once I get all the strategems unlocked, but just got one of the warbonds after grinding for the medals so I should have something to do for a while
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I play multiplayer games only with them so I never play with randoms because my interest in multiplayer is basically zero, we must have played five times since February 🤷
Decoy321@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh hey, a new civ! It’s been a while since Gandhi nuked me.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 months ago
For me, it’s Civ IV
djsoren19@yiffit.net 6 months ago
I’m interested to see what changes they’ll be making from 6 to 7. 6 was kinda panned on release, and games like Humankind and Age of Wonders 4 have introduced serious competition to the 4x genre in the years since.
Bye@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Single player supremacy
I’m still enjoying civ5 without any DLC
Zikeji@programming.dev 6 months ago
I had a friend that played civ, he invited me to multiplayer. Little did I know, he plays against the hardest bots on a regular basis. I had only done like, two single player games.
I don’t play with him anymore.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
I like playing with my sister because we both regularly play on Deity difficulty and it’s the only way to be challenged anymore.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Utterly insane. 😳
hakase@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I’m still playing civ IV. With the direction the series has been going, it looks like I probably always will.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Something fun to mess with in Civ V is on small custom maps with designated start points, when start bias can’t take effect it will always place players on points starting from bottom right going left and then from bottom to top.
Example: Player 1 will always be placed on the lowest tile furthest to the right.
You can use this to get the deity achievment if you just don’t give the AI any workable tiles.