[Serious] Why do so many people seem to hate veganism?

Submitted ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨CalciumDeficiency@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Seen a lot of posts on Lemmy with vegan-adjacent sentiments but the comments are typically very critical of vegan ideas, even when they don’t come from vegans themselves. Why is this topic in particular so polarising on the internet? Especially since unlike politics for example, it seems like people don’t really get upset by it IRL

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AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
because vegans never, ever, miss an opportunity to tell you they hope the blood of baby seals that went into your burger was worth it

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- rudyharrelson@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Millions of vegans worldwide miss that opportunity every day. You just assume every vegan is a loudmouth jerk when that simply isn't the case. I have vegan friends and co-workers who have never, ever shamed a single person for their dietary choices. Your comment is wildly ignorant.
  
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  - AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    #notallvegans is not a reason not to dislike vegans sweetheart
    
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starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It takes a “special” kind of person to take something so ingrained in culture and still say “I’m not gonna do that,” usually a slightly crazy and/or neurodivergent person. I think this is partly why there are so many “insane” vegans, because it’s self selecting for people who are outside the norm.

I don’t even mention to most people I’m vegan, usually just an excuse like “meat makes me feel sick” because the average person will think I’m going to give them a 20 minute lecture.

To anyone who is the vegan who will give the 20 minute lecture, please consider if your goal is actually animal welfare, you can hardly ever debate someone out of something they like. Instead, just show people easy dishes you made that they actually enjoy (pasta with spaghetti sauce, French fries, vegetable stir fry, roasted veggies with olive oil) and you’ll often find they start cooking more vegan food (or at least less meat), and also talk more positively about veganism

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AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because you’re annoying ass fucking puritans

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Sniatch@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Funny is that I have only seen Anti Vegan threads on here. Like, who is the annoying one?

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- rudyharrelson@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  People complaining all day long about "annoying militant vegans" but have apparently never met the equally annoying, militant meat-lovers who deludedly believe the liberals are gonna make burgers illegal. Sure, I find opinionated vegans as annoying as the next guy, but I've met way, waaaay more annoying, militant Americans who would rather die than eat one less angus burger per month when their doctor recommends it to help prevent cardiac disease.
  
  Like they'd literally rather die in their 50's than cut out a few burgers from their diet. It's nuts.
  
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blazera@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Same reason they hate gay guys, trans, renewable energy and electric cars. Toxic masculinity.

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- beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Exactly this. They’re so fkn insecure they can’t STAND anyone living differently from them.
  
  Me & my husband holding hands in public is the equivalent, to these losers, of me THROWING it in their FACE, as if I’m being so loud and obnoxious plodding around Target quietly putting back half the things my husband puts in the cart
  
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livus@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Well it's like the old joke says,

Q: how do you know someone's a vegan?

A: OH, THEY'LL TELL YOU.

Seriously tho I don't have a problem with them unless they start saying there's no difference betwern killing an animal and torturing it.

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postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I do not like being told by someone that i need to become vegan because they have become vegan.

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- WldFyre@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I don’t think you’ve understood the arguments for veganism lol
  
  Of course proponents of a position/philosophy/political stace also subscribe to those beliefs. There are not many misogynists arguing in favor of feminism.
  
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  - postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Counter argument: Problem is not too many cows. It is too many people.
    
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afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s the fandom mostly. I like using Linux but I don’t think you are immoral for using windows. Rick and Morty is funny but I don’t think Rick is someone to take any advice from. CrossFit seems to work for most people who stick with it but it is one of many options. I won’t apologize for being an atheist but I don’t think you are stupid for not being one.

The problem with Veganism is the problem with monotheism. There is one proper way to live and all the others are wrong and awful.

That and the lying. I won’t deny that there are farmers who abuse their animals, that is a problem that can be dealt with through the legal system, but you can’t sell me a sack of lies claiming that I abused the cows I milked growing up. Because I know I didn’t.

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- Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  But what about disagreements that aren’t just about preferences, but about right and wrong? Vegans don’t view it as the typo of question that’s like, “Do you like Kirk or do you like Picard?” but rather as the type of question that’s like, “Is it ok to beat your children?” The proper way to live is to not beat children and all other ways are wrong and awful. Framing the question as merely about individual preferences and not about morality is assuming the conclusion.
  
  I won’t deny that there are farmers who abuse their animals, that is a problem that can be dealt with through the legal system, but you can’t sell me a sack of lies claiming that I abused the cows I milked growing up.
  
  The legal system has no interest in addressing the vast majority of animal abuse, and there’s a lot of money in it which means enough political influence to ensure that never changes. The vast majority of produced goods relies on abusive conditions. It is possible to produce animal products without abuse, but removing abuse from the system means less will be produced, which means a reduction in consumption is still necessary.
  
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  - afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Cool thanks for confirming exactly what I was saying. Like Christianity, you can not be neutral, the doctrine doesn’t allow it. You follow Jesus and go to heaven or your don’t and go to hell. There is no tolerance with Veganism, there is no live and let live, there isn’t even hate the sin love the sinner since you are after behavior not character or faith. One truth, with one means to truth, with one ethical system and all others have to be wrong and equally wrong.
    
    Surprise surprise non-vegans don’t particularly like being told that are on the same moral footing as children beaters. If it puts you right with your god I give you permission to compare me to one again. I won’t be convinced but hey you got my permission to do it. Unlike one of us in this conversation, I can tolerate people who don’t agree with me.
    
    The legal system has no interest in addressing the vast majority of animal abuse, and there’s a lot of money in it which means enough political influence to ensure that never changes. The vast majority of produced goods relies on abusive conditions. It is possible to produce animal products without abuse, but removing abuse from the system means less will be produced, which means a reduction in consumption is still necessary.
    
    I am sorry morality is difficult. You should file a bug report with someone who cares.
    
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  - dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What if I told you the quiet part loud? I don’t think every life is fundamentally created equal.
    
    I’m a farm boy turned liberal and if you’re going to argue about climate change and the benefits of a vegetarian diet in that respect, you’ve got the right of it and I’ll eat less meat (I’m trying). If you’re going to say “cow abuse is child abuse!” I will personally come murder a cow for you and eat it with you (or against you, I guess?).
    
    You are barking up the wrong tree and have missed the point whenever you come to this argument. Plants and animals grown for food ARE. FOR. FOOD. and you will not turn me to your way of thinking by crying foul about their treatment. I would love to minimize animal suffering / I am not into animal torture, but you’re just not going to get there unless you’re literally demonstrating widespread suffering for sport of livestock animals. If there was a raccoon outside right now screwing with my dog or my kid or my house or whatever I would absolutely end it and not lose a second of sleep, without considering it’s children or parentage or treatment.
    
    I am who you are dealing with and who you are trying to convert. The “proper way to live” has nothing to do with it. I grow food, I eliminate pests, I eat the food I intended to raise. Cow, corn, pig, dog, cat, unicorn, etc: it gets to grow and flourish as much as I can provide, then it gets harvested to eat, unless it is invasive then it gets summarily removed.
    
    It’s not about callousness or disregard for the beauty of life, my situation has just been fundamentally different than yours unless you also spent childhood raising your own food.
    
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lath@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Some ideas on the topic.

I’ve only met vegans on social media. The vocal minority preaching vegan lifestyle is delusional. Outside of it, it’s still corporations doing their best to make a profit. The regular person just eats quietly and lives their life. The requirements and costs are pittance only in their idealistic view of the world. “If only people would just …” No. They won’t. We are where we are because people don’t. Everyone wants the world to go their way and we kill each other for it.

As an omnivore animal, I eat what my budget allows. Sometimes it’s meat, sometimes it’s vegetables and sometimes it’s cardboard. Just like the wild life, eating plastic bags because they taste yummy. Social media vegans seem to be either the ones that can afford to be picky or can’t afford anything else.

Simple truth is that life can always be better, people can always do more and most of us simply don’t want to.

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- Specal@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The vocal minority of any group is delusional
  
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  - lath@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The woes of true believers.
    
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phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I personally don’t care if people want to be vegan and sometimes I’ll eat vegan food. For me though, on the whole, I find vegan food unappealing. It usually involves compromises and doesn’t taste that great.

Additionally, I did eat in a house of vegetarians for about 10 months once. I ate meat outside the house on occasion, but mostly ate vegetarian. It was really hard on my stomach. After meals, I would usually have crazy gas. It did improve over time, but always was an issue for me.

For these reasons, I don’t prefer veganism or vegetarianism. It’s okay if you do though.

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FancyManacles@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because the idea that there are vegans and vegetarians is an implied accusation of guilt to people that eat meat and animal products that are the direct result of animal suffering. Some people that don’t eat animal products might be militant or preachy, but I’ve never met one. In fact I have only ever met the inverse, people that constantly berate people for being vegan or vegetarian. Having been one myself, I can say that for me and people I know it is the same reason religious people hate atheists; their existence implies that people that eat meat are wrong and therefore bad people. Studies have confirmed this. Here is an article from the BBC that goes over some of the studies.

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ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Guilt.

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- Lemming421@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not sure why you’re downvoted for that. I’m a meat eater, and I’ll admit veganism seems more ethical. But it’s too inconvenient to give up meat, so I don’t. And having vegans around reminds me that I could be doing more to make the world a better place. So guilt.
  
  Probably helped by the fact that none of the vegans I know is preachy about it, so I can’t just assume they’re all assholes either.
  
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pb42184@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think people hate vegans more than veganism. The most annoying x% makes the other (100-x)% look bad

Choose your own x I don’t want dunks from either side lol

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Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Half my social circle has gone vegan at this point and I think a lot of the anti-vegan sentiments is people don’t like modifying their behaviour to give up their own comfort even when they know something is distressing to someone else. Since a lot of vegans see a very real cruelty that they are generally powerless to stop and other people do not understand their reactions to seeing other people participate in cruelty is often to feel very sad. Since so much of human culture surrounds shared meals having a vegan takes a lot of options off the table entirely and alters other people’s options even when they don’t intend to.

Like it’s not a matter of “well we’ll go to your vegetarian restaurant this time and next time we go to a place I’m excited to go” for those of us who care about our friends being upset we basically rarely pick our first choices and more often sacrifice things we are excited for in the name of someone else’s comfort. It can be a love language to find restaurants and eat the things on the menu that don’t exactly thrill you but other times you just want to have that selfish Birthday dinner where you don’t feel compelled to pick a restaurant for someone else.

I think a lot of people reject veganism more forcefully because they don’t want to have to participate in that sort of friction. All it takes is one ethical vegan to completly change a friend groups food culture. Even when they bring their own food and try not to make a big deal and mask it not bothering them when they see meat being consumed people are generally compelled to care for people they know and ignoring someone’s distress isn’t showing care. When people ratchet up the social cost of veganism they are more often than not trying to engineer a social sphere where they do not feel callous, don’t have to give up what they like and don’t have to do any additional research work or social calculations .

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- FunnyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I can barely afford Perkins let alone a vegan restaurant.
  
  Having morals is not cheap. I feel for you having to see other people eat food they can afford, that must be really hard, but a lot of people literally DON’T have the luxury, calorie to dollar, to be vegan. And no, eating rice and beans every day is not an acceptable diet.
  
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  - rudyharrelson@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don't necessarily agree that being vegetarian/vegan is inherently more expensive than being an omnivore, but I'd like to point out the meat industry receives a lot of government subsidies and that helps keep costs down. Vegetarian/Vegan options would be more affordable if they got the same government subsidies as the beef industry. Sure, things like corn/wheat/soybeans receive decent subsidies, but most of that is for feeding, you guessed it, livestock.
    
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  - Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Uh… Was this in response to the right post? I am not vegan nor do I wish to be and I never mentioned anything about rice and beans…
    
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Beaver@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because the morals is on their side. Society should be disrupted everyday until animal exploitation ends.

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BugleFingers@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t mind vegans, or that lifestyle, at all. What I do mind is people who are overtly (and possibly aggressive) in presenting a lifestyle that the feel is “right”. Unfortunately there’s a stereo type with vegans being that way.

Veganism is a big lifestyle choice and the difference to vegetarian is the avoidance of near all animal products if and when possible. Not just in regards to eating meat, but things like a leather wallet too.

Someone has to be careful and on top of their diet and dietary needs to be vegan and properly nourished (even omnivorous people are subject to this malnutrition mind you).

I have some personal differences in views to vegans in regards to the consumption of meat, but rather similar views in how it’s obtained. I do think generally the mass production and lifestyle is not morally correct for the animals. However I would also say humans are naturally omnivorous and eating meat is something that not only is built into our diet but what gave us a fundamental evolutionary advantages.

Animals eat animals and humans are animals. Though if we are sentient enough and empathetic enough creatures we should at least provide a decent life for the animals and utilize all we can so as not so waste them.

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- Kacarott@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I respect your viewpoint, but I wanted to point out that I think the argument of “animals do X, therefore it’s ok” isn’t a really good one, imo. In fact I think one of the features of being human is being able to rise above what other animals do, when we think it is a good idea. (Whether it’s a good idea here though, is another topic)
  
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  - Specal@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I mean I’m vegan and I’ve got nothing against hunters, like they said we’re animals and animals sometimes eat animals. Most vegans are against animal farming as there is no way to do it humanely on a large scale.
    
    I personally wouldn’t eat a hunted animal, right now but if civilization was to fall it’s fair game.
    
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
People don’t want to be told that they have been contributing to horrible animal cruelty and environmental destruction, and do not wish to be morally accountable to it.

I am not fully vegan yet, but they are correct.

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Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because y’all are fuckin annoying. Good for you on not using animal products. I’m glad you have something you care a lot about. I dont need to hear about it every second of the day though. Vegans IRL generally dont preach about it but online people get on their sop boxes more consistently.

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- beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, every one of us who isn’t annoyed at vegans is a loud obnoxious vegan, GOT IT 🫶✅🐽🌾👍🇸🇪
  
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  - Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Typing like that makes you annoying as fuck.
    
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- cyrus@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I think what you’re experiencing online is a mix of loud minorities^1^ and online disinhibition^2^, not an accurate representation of vegans.
  
  1: When there exists a minority in XYZ Group that is “louder” than the majority, causing people to associate XYZ group with the minority. 2: The phenomena of people acting out more violently, frequently, or pushy online when compared to being in-person, primarily due to anonymity
  
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  - Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I mean yeah. That doesn’t change my feelings though. If I know you’re a vegan online, chances are its because you’re loud and obnoxious.
    
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VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because it’s the easiest way to avoid having to consider changing opinions and behaviors

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swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
For me, it’s this subset of vegans:

Me: want a burger? V: No thanks, I’m vegan. Me: Oh, cool. Well there’s egg and cheese in the salad dressing so you’ll want to avoid that too, but I have some black bean patties in the freezer if you want. V: Do you know how bad meat is for your body? Me: Yeah I actually do, but we all make our own decisions about self-harm, don’t we? V: Factory farms are cruel and sadistic! Me: Agreed. That’s why I buy from a local butcher. V: RAISING MEAT IS DESTROYING THE PLANET! Me: Corporations are destroying the planet. Now fuck off and let me enjoy my burger in peace.

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- oascany@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This could be a textbook example of a strawman.
  
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- volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah this conversation definitely happened like that
  
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- Aradina@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Hey why are the corporations doing that exactly? What’s their motive?
  
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antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There is no life without death. In order to feed vegans, countless insects must die. In order for agriculture to exist in any form, we must wage war against nature (and win). For example, coconut oil is a terrible vegan product. If vegans are complacent about killing insects and ravaging natural habitats, why not kill and eat crustaceans and mollusks - they’re not all that different in terms of neurons. We can keep stepping up the level of consciousness - fish, etc… when does it become unacceptable?

The next question I would ask, is whether death is always equal to suffering. Death can be painless. Some vegans don’t eat honey because many honey bees are treated horribly. What if they’re not? Also, if you feel that way as a vegan, you shouldn’t eat anything pollinated by bees (try not to starve). Some animals have good lives and painless deaths. If there’s no financially viable market for animal products of happy animals (by vegan boycotting), we’ll be left with only industrial animal agriculture. Do you think a deer would rather be ripped apart by a puma, hit by a car, shot by a bullet, or become elderly and senile - abandoned by the herd to die alone in a field, picked apart by buzzards. Nature is brutal as fuck. Death by human is not the worst outcome for many animals.

The final thing I’d assert is that animal agriculture has an important role in the overall food system. Pigs, cows, and chickens are fed a lot of agricultural byproducts, like spent brewing grains or corn stalks, and their manure is used as non-petroleum fertilizer. Many animals are raised on land that is too hilly and rocky to farm any other way. Our industrial food system is like a artificial ecosystem of its own. Each piece of the industrial food web has a role, and you can’t simply remove all the animals - you’d be overwhelmed with green waste, reliant on petroleum fertilizer, and many would go hungry.

Ethical veganism is idiotic because it places human morality onto nature. It’s a child-like misunderstanding of the real world. The reality is that for you to be fed, the natural world will suffer. Don’t draw a line in the sand and think you’re living a better life. You’re an ostrich with your head buried in sand.

Freeganism on the other hand, is something we could use a lot more of (25-50% more). The only thing worse than raping and killing animals to feed ourselves, is that there’s so much abundance that we throw a lot of it in the trash. Freegans understand the real crime against nature is food waste.

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laverabe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Every vegan I’ve ever spoke with is rude, condescending, and Iamverysmart material. Probably due to lack of essential amino acid intake for proper brain function.

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- Kacarott@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Calling a group of people condescending, then accusing them of having limited brain function is a little hypocritical doncha think?
  
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  - laverabe@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It wasn’t a personal attack, I could see how it could be read that way but the second sentence was a point of science not insult. It’s hard to convey intention in text.
    
    They are just my observations and interactions with vegans, and the science is clear that most vegans have nutritional deficiencies. It is extremely difficult to actually get everything you need without meat, and you essentially have to plan every single meal in a food planner. I know… I’ve tried it and even planned to a tee it is near impossible to have a balanced diet without meat. I wish it was.
    
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NIB@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Most people think themselves as good people. Most people love, or claim to love, animals.

The existence of veganism and its implication is that there is an unnecessary animal holocaust happening, because of societal norms and for the entertainment of people’s palettes. So how do you reconcile these things? By claiming that veganism is something extreme, something unattractive, something that is impossible to do.

People who talk about how “militant vegans have turned them away from veganism” are mostly lying to themselves. If an asshole told you not to litter, would you litter because of that? If an asshole told you not to be racist would you go “well now, i will be even more racist”? But when people make arguments like this, leftists realize how ridiculous those arguments are. Except when it comes to veganism.

Obviously you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar but i want to believe that people in this site can see past that and think for themselves.

Legumes(beans/lentils), vegetables, fruits, potatoes, pasta and rice is what most of the world already eats. Nowadays there are vegan alternatives for stuff and most restaurants often have a vegan option. It isnt hard to be vegan but any lifestyle change can be hard, especially if real life is putting a lot of pressure on you.

Any change is hard, being vegan is easy. Millions of people are vegan and have been vegan for many years. I have been vegan for 12 years now. There has never been an easier time to be vegan than now. Being vegan is the easiest thing with the biggest impact you can do.

True Courage Is About Knowing Not When To Take A Life But When To Spare One

PS Salt potato chips and oreos are vegan. You dont need to eat healthy. And if you are a straight dude, vegan dudes are more attractive to women, even to non vegan women.

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- ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  lol. no.
  
  my favourite bs was your entire postscript. jeesus you’re deluded.
  
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  - NIB@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My entire postscript was just an attempt to make veganism more appealing. That extra little push might enable more people to become vegan. Which is why you see a lot more emphasis to the health benefits of veganism or the positive environmental impact of veganism.
    
    These are things that might enable people to become vegan(or reduce their animal product consumption), because they dont make people feel attacked when you discuss these aspects of veganism. Ultimately, the animal doesnt care if it doesnt get killed(or created), because a human stopped eating animal products for the gains or because the human became a “woke” animal rights advocate. The end result is the same.
    
    And while becoming “woke” is a more sustainable long term position, it can also be harder to sell to current mainstream because of social norms. And a lot of people might become vegan for the gains and then transition to be an animal rights advocate, because it is easier.
    
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- howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I subsist off Doritos and Mountain Dew. Let all the ladies know. I’ll be waiting in my mom’s basement.
  
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dandroid@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I respect other people’s choices in what to consume, and I expect the same respect in return. I have no problem with people being vegan or vegetarian. In fact, most people I work with are from India and are vegetarian. We eat lunch together most days and no one has any problems with each other.

Unfortunately most vegans I know are extremely pushy and judgemental about their diets. They do not respect my choice in what to consume. This used to causes some preemptive judgements on my part, where I would get defensive immediately about my dietary choices, because I assumed they were judging me. Over time I have learned to control this reflex.

I can only assume that many people have had the same experience as me, and jump to the same conclusions.

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- Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The problem is that they see it as a moral choice and you see it as a personal one. Of course this is going to cause issues.
  
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Drusas@kbin.run ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So many vegans in this thread tring to answer the question and getting it completely wrong.

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mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
People don’t like to have deeply held beliefs challenged and even less so like to be told they are a bad person for eating certain types of food.

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jeffw@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Seems like most people on this post have fallen into the trap of judging a group based on a loud subset of the group. Most vegans/vegetarians I know don’t like to share that they are veg precisely because of that stereotype.

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- Drusas@kbin.run ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Most people here are actually acknowledging that it's the loud minority which leads people to dislike vegans.
  
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TheEntity@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have nothing against veganism as a dietary decision, I’m actually seriously considering it for health reasons and for easier food preparation.

I am sick of veganism as a moral high horse, especially with hypocrisy in the background. I have a friend constantly ordering stuff, including vegan ingredients, from Amazon of all places. If he’s going to low-key admonish me for hurting animals, I’d expect him to care about the Amazon warehouse employees to a similar degree. Unless it’s all just posturing.

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Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s because people feel threatened. Vegans indirectly say „you meat eaters are the baddies” no one wants to be the baddies.

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recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because appx 1% of vegans are straight up obnoxious and indignant. And a similar percentage of meat eaters are also.

Then everyone else just mildly gravitates to tribalism but probably doesn’t actually care that much.

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