I fail to see how we are responsible for the emotional well being of our management. Did I do my job? Yep! Did I do it well? Yep! Stand and deliver thy raise O manager, or face the wrath of my competing job offer.
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Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
So… Doing your job well is “quiet quitting” now? I don’t want my boss to think I’m quiet quitting, I Guess I’ll have to underperform instead.
Quiet firing on the other hand is giving raises that are under inflation. Companies should stop this quiet firing shit.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 months ago
News organizations have employees as well. It doesn’t surprise me that they are in on the gaslighting.
DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
If they don’t play ball, you think they’ll keep their job?
Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I am not placing blame, just observing that News Companies still have staff and could be on the side of the Capitalists when it comes to worker rights.
maynarkh@feddit.nl 4 months ago
I think they mean the orgs, not the employees.
snooggums@midwest.social 4 months ago
It was always a stupid fucking term that equates doing a job with quitting.
Not increasing pay isn’t quit firing, because there is no firing. It is just businesses being stingy.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Not increasing pay isn’t quit firing, because there is no firing. It is just businesses being stingy.
it’s constructive dismissal.
snooggums@midwest.social 4 months ago
Only if it targets specific employees with the goal of getting them to quit. If the business doesn’t give raises in general they are just being cheap.
Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I feel like meeting that to a legal level is a stretch. Minor cost of living raises that don’t need inflation don’t rise to that level in my uneducated understanding
then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah it wasn’t entirely serious.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Not increasing pay with inflation is a pay cut because your pay is literally worth less without it.
In a sane world, if the fed is dictating the money supply, with their actions directly impacting inflation, every workers pay should be indexed to inflation. Same goes for taxation, welfare payments, etc. Companies raise their prices regardless.
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
I agree it’s a dumb term, so I made up my own dumb term. (At least I think I made it up)
Employees are allowed to be just as stingy as businesses.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Quiet quitting: doing what you’re paid for
Normal working: doing what you’re paid for but also asking managers for more work when you’re done -> that’s what’s expected from management and also takes some load off their shoulders, they love that
Over achievement: doing what you’re paid for and more without asking management -> management will promise you a seat at the table of you continue doing that long enough!
If there’s advancement opportunities try to do the second one until you reach a point where you’re happy and then do the first one :)
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Hahaha someone’s living in fairy land.
Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 4 months ago
If they deep throat the boot hard enough, maybe they’ll get to wear it someday!
AtariDump@lemmy.world 4 months ago
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I’m a skeptic when it comes to lots of things where the common man is getting fucked.
May I ask y’all how highly-paid individuals in high positions came to be that way?
Are they ALL the results of nepotistic practices, ALL inheritors of wealth? Or 80% got there that way?
(In the SF Bay Area, certainly seems I know high performers who work their asses off, make shit tons of money, get promotions before jumping ship to other companies, work at startups that get acquired…)
Disclaimer: not endorsing neglecting your family or personal life for a pipe dream of prosperity, just sharing one perspective
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
The Bay Area is a well known warp in reality. Don’t expect your experiences there to map to experiences elsewhere.
And even so, it’s usually who you know, how well you can sell to VC, and luck that determine success out there.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
In the current climate, internal promotions are a rarity. They say that you should be changing companies roughly every 3 years to ensure you’re getting paid what you’re worth, as pay raises don’t keep up with experience. New responsibilities come quickly while promotions and pay raises come slowly. The number of times I’ve heard somebody say that they left a job for an immediate 10-30% (or even 50%!) pay raise and reduced responsibilities for even the same job has gotten to the point where I just expect it now.
Like everything else, it varies, but company loyalty is long dead.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
If you don’t have any advancement opportunities where you’re working then change job or work your wage. I don’t know why you guys don’t get it…
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Can’t work your wage if it doesn’t keep up with inflation, you’d just earn less every year.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Tell me you’re 14 and have never worked a day in your life without telling me you’re 14 and have never worked a day in your life.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Gonna have to add a couple of decades to that number buddy.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ah, just never had to work a day in your life then.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
This person is a manager
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Not a manager, just someone who did exactly what I said, worked a bit harder for a year and a half, moved two steps up the ladder and now sitting cozy don’t exactly what I’m paid for and nothing more as I don’t want to move any higher because it would mean being in a position of authority.
uberdroog@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Or crawl so far up management’s ass while throwing all your coworkers under the bus. THAT is how you get ahead. Stepping on your coworkers.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I actually got promoted because I was the guy helping everyone do their job…
irmoz@reddthat.com 4 months ago
I actually thought you were joking until the last paragraph
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
“you slave”
He said to the guy telling others to reach the point where they’re happy with what they’re doing and to then work their wage and nothing more.
If I was on my knees in front of management I would be telling everyone to just keep working harder forever, not to stop doing it once they don’t have or want advancement opportunities.
irmoz@reddthat.com 4 months ago
I’ll simper to no one for “advancement”
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Quiet quitting is the practice of meeting minimum expectations with low moral or engagement. Underperforming could lead to termination for not meeting minimum expectations.
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Woosh.
Also quiet quitting isn’t anything except a bullshit term dreamed up by capitalist crybabies.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 months ago
More like inexperienced middle-management. Discussing the team member’s reasons for disengagement could lead to a solution for them, or even multiple team members. Saying “I have nothing to complain about” proves ineffective leadership looking for cause to terminate.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
The only solution I would accept involves guillotines for the rich and the immediate end to the exploitation of the proletariat globally, so I don’t think that’s going to work for most middle managers.
rwhitisissle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Engagement and disengagement are effectively separate forms of labor expected of an employee, though, and they’re virtually never formally codified. If I’m a coder and my job is to write code, don’t expect me to be enthused about writing terrible medical billing software. Enthusiasm and engagement are emotional labor, which I’m not compensated for, and which, to some extent, you can’t realistically expect me to demonstrate. I’m not able to “be engaged” beyond performing my tasks and whatever technical or administrative duties I’ve been assigned. Expecting me to contribute in a way orthogonal to that requires my job to be fundamentally different from what it actually is.
anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Then just make the minimum 30 pieces of flair 🙄
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The issue many people have is how some bosses redefine underperforming as “not doing enough unpaid overtime”.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Well that’s completely fucked. I don’t work for free.
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Well that’s completely fucked. That’s also illegal.
Exactly. But a little illegal activity never stopped a corp. Wage theft is rampant, estimated at $50 billion a year.
I don’t work for free.
And that’s called quiet quitting in OP’s post.
HubertManne@kbin.social 4 months ago
this. every so often someone posts an article on how wages are beating inflation and im like. where? who? this is not my experience.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
If you want an inflation beating raise, you need to get a new job. Companies have long since stopped caring about employee retention.
Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Probably if you take an average and include the multimillionaires getting bigger raises.
glimse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’ve taken a pay cut two years in a row for that reason. Last year was somewhat understandable with the insane inflation but this year kind of stung
boatswain@infosec.pub 4 months ago
How is taking a pay cut when there’s massive inflation even remotely understandable? Inflation means that they need to pay you more, not less; your costs are rising.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Businesses don’t care about your costs. They care about paying as little as possible for as good a quality as they can.
Same way you don’t care if your grocery store mega chain got hacked and lost $300 million, that’s not your problem, if they raise the price of bread you’ll go somewhere else.
glimse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean it’s understandable that they didn’t give everyone 6.5% raises. That’s a pretty huge raise
el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Find another job. You’ll quickly find out if you are worth the raise you wanted. My bet is you are.
glimse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’ve got my feelers out there but I’m gonna stick it out here for another year - currently working on a certification to switch to a higher-paid position and the company is paying for it
Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 months ago
I can’t wait until AI hits these middle managers that were just enough good at their jobs to earn a promotion and now spend their days sending angry emails to the people that actually do the work, while collecting more income than the workers… 🖕
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
AI’s can do their job right now. Haven’t you ever seen an AI not work right?
(Most managers suck, I like mine right now, and it’s odd. He’s stuck in meetings all day so I’m not. )
dojan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Quiet quitting” is a bullshit term meaning to do your job but nothing above or beyond that. Joshua Fluke has done multiple videos on this BS, and at this point there are plenty of other idiotic terms thrown around to try and make workers look bad.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
stop this
Bosses everywhere: taking notes “no… more… raises.” sets down the notepad “see, now they are speaking my language!”
floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Giving raises? My employer quiet quit that more than a decade ago. Meanwhile inflation and price gouging march on.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
What proportion of people have jumped ship in the last ~8 years as a result? (Understand you could have good reason for sticking around.)
floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
It’s a very small company. About 1/3 have moved on. The attraction is that it’s relatively accommodating for other things in your life.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Ahh, flexibility definitely compensates for a good bit of opportunity cost. Know people who stay in easier remote jobs to avoid the responsibilities and demands that come with moving to certain higher-paid positions.
Pohl@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Really? Like you have honestly stayed in a job for ten years without any increase in comp?
Wages have skyrocketed over the last 3 years and you are still willing to take what you were offered in 2014?
My instinct is that this is total bullshit but if it is not, please, I’m begging you, go get a new job and pass on anything that isn’t at least 60% more than your current wage.