No. Support is ~30%. Last time I checked, that’s not a majority.
~47% (almost half) view them unfavorably. Another ~23% are unsure.
Corporate media, owned by billionaires, refuse to recognize the wave of democratic socialism
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null@piefed.nullspace.lol 2 days ago
Blibly@lemmy.world 2 days ago
23-30% of people are perpetually unsure of everything lol
lemmelemmy@feddit.org 2 days ago
Those are people who don’t wanna answer. Tbh if some rando was asking which political view I had, I would also not share it.
daychilde@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Maybe. I don’t know about that.
;-)
YouTalkinToMe@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t know about that
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Or they’re in the “nothing ever happens” camp.
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 day ago
About 35% of the unfavorable are the lost ones that vote R because that’s what they’ve always done, what their church tells them, and what their one or two propaganda channels tell them. And the other 10% of those are probably Wall Street and adjacent. The ones that actually do have things to lose, since they’re the ones stealing it from the rest.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
undecided voters as well.
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s a fair position, as far as they are concerned, they haven’t seen it in action, at least not for very long. So they are waiting to see if it pans out as promised.
VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 2 days ago
Still garbage, to compare view them unfavorably then you have to do view them favorably not “support” if you want to compare support then yoi have to do “Against” with clear questions.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 day ago
yeah it’s more of a splash if anything hyper magnified by media focus on a about 3 charismatic individuals that are not following DSA policies
they’re a bunch of independents waving a commie and palestinian flag
Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
You could be correct, but that’s not what the headline says. People who lack support also “don’t support”. “Less than half don’t support” is the same thing as “more than half do support.” !support < 50% can be converted to support >= 50%.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 1 day ago
Why would you count “unsure” as “support”?
Zink@programming.dev 1 day ago
They love to use that specific picture of him too. They probably think it makes him look angry and middle eastern. It caught his eyebrows at the perfect angry-looking angle.
Too bad for them he’s charismatic as fuck everywhere else. And, you know, does stuff to help people.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I am feeling pissed, and Mamdani is matching my feelings here.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Currently socialism to these guys = Not having a corrupt government ran by special interest.
This is what they are afraid of. Not socialism coming to town but a government that actually works. The corrupt media is pushing bullshit to benefit the wealthy class so the people don’t come for their golden goose.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 day ago
That’s propaganda for you.
And most of that minority are going to end up liking the results of his actions as time goes on.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 9 hours ago
The propaganda is coming from the reader that failed to read beyond the headline and spread misinformation.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
Hey boss, this poll says 60% of people support democratic socialists. How are we gonna reword this?
Bose: just flip the stat and make the sentence negative
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 9 hours ago
Imagine reading the article instead of just the headline.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 8 hours ago
Imagine expecting me to look up an article from a screenshot.
You vastly underestimate how lazy I am.
subgenius@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Democratic Socialism is where citizens of democracies pay taxes to support their fire departments, military, health care systems etc. They still believe in free markets and your life improving if you work hard/go to school etc. It’s only corrupt politicians and the ignorant that equate social programs with Communism. Americans have been gaslighted by the financial elite to view social programs as a hand out, because the elite receive no profit from them.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
They recognize the wave of wave of
democratic socialismsocial democrats and fight it tooth and nail.We do not have a free press.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
I remember cnn the “commie news network” giving insanely hard interviews to Kamala, and then they have Mike Johnson on and say “some people have concerns over you saying the election was stolen” and he says “well there was substantial evidence for it and (conspiracy #1 2 and 3).” “interesting, people have been complaining about…”
0 push back, because they fell for the lie that the media is too hard on the right, so even bringing up that he thinks the election is stolen is being harsh somehow.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 9 hours ago
Why did you replace democratic socialism for social democrats?
Those are different things, and this is specifically about the DSA…
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
The DSA is a big tent within a big tent. The Democratic Party is essentially the opposition party to MAGA. If you’re against Trump then the Democratic Party is the only option you have.
That said, some of its platform ideas like universal healthcare and restoring consumer protections (so we control for things like crypto scams and surveillance pricing) are pretty popular. Abortion access enjoys a popularity of about 60%.
I don’t know the number of people who want a higher minimum wage, but it’s above majority, especially since the affordability crisis, and doubly so now that SNAP and Medicaid have been slashed.
Republican scaremongers call anything they don’t like communism or jihad because they only deal in blood libel and buzzwords. See They’re eating the dogs.
Also, evidently, bike lanes are woke and DEI.
Centrist Democrat scaremongers like to bring up the more left-leaning (actually left-leaning) platform issues like abolish the prisons and abolish the police.
These are serious issues, but even the DSA doesn’t pretend it will be easy to sell that to the general public. Before ICE we knew that police have become a nationwide problem, and the presence of law enforcement is more likely to turn a non-violent situation violent than it is de-escalate it. The John Oliver segment on Killology sheds light on the issue. Right now, that’s just been buried by the actions of ICE.
And we know that state and federal prisons have been squalid and inhumane for a long time, not improved at all since the rise of the prison industrial complex during the Reagan administration. Private prisons are even worse, and we’re now seeing the extreme version of that in immigrant detention centers by GEO Group and Core Civic.
But again, these are extreme issues and the Republicans are more likely to end birthright citizenship and women’s suffrage sooner than DSAs are going to make inroads in abolishing prisons and law enforcement.
Triasha@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Our society needs radical solutions to serious problems. I would focus on things like wealth taxes, Healthcare, and climate action, but I’m willing to risk breaking a few eggs to elect someone that wants to make an omlette.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The Democratic Party is essentially the opposition party to MAGA.
They’re the opposition party to their own left flank. They don’t oppose MAGA.
Copernican@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
How do you recognize the “big tent” leanings of the DSA when the Red Star Caucus seems to only grow with more influence and actively promote cutting ties with the democratic party. redstarcaucus.org/platform/
Red Star will Make DSA a political home for people radicalized by both the Trump administration and the failures of the Democratic Party, Solidify our position as a site of struggle for trans and immigrant communities under attack, Forge closer ties with abolitionist and anti-imperialist groups in the vanguard of the working class, Build an independent electoral base in the working class, Cut ties with the Democratic Party, and End empty endorsements that trail “left-wing” candidates.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Cutting ties with the Democratic party would be folly. After the Whigs perished and the Democratic Republicans split, we’ve not seen a third party overtake the principles, and that includes Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Progressives. That includes Ross Perot’s independent run, which was pretty darned convincing.
But as Alexandria Occasio Cortez observed, the Democratic party is struggling to raise the minimum wage. Long-term goals like abolishing prisons or abolishing the Senate are not likely to come up in the foreseeable future, even if they are able to secure the House, Senate, Presidency and SCOTUS. Heck, implementation of universal healthcare (which is popular throughout the US) is going to be a process that will take many years, even if it doesn’t get sabotaged by Republicans the way the ACA did.
Also, centrist Democrats have some extreme ideas. They generally want to do the things that serve their lobbyist masters, so maximizing intellectual property law, overregulating social media so that newer, smaller platforms can’t compete with the big ones in place, blocking kids from accessing the internet, deregulating landlords and so on.
And then there’s the stuff that the Republican party is actively working to do, like securing a permanent Republican majority across federal branches of government, hobbling elections, stripping non-whites of rights, stripping women of rights, making Protestant Evangelical Christianity a national religion, replacing income tax with tariffs and so on.
So no, I wouldn’t be too worried about the Red Star Caucus becoming too powerful and dominating US politics. And if, by some time-travel meddling, it did, it couldn’t possibly be worse than the mess we’re in right now.
GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m all for these changes - my fear is that a large population will want it all NOW! and if there isn’t significant change in 2 years then it must not work.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
I’m afraid of this too. Biden was able to manage our economy’s recovery for COVID-19 better than any other industrialized nation in the world, and Americans voted him out based (allegedly) on the price of eggs and racism.
I no longer trust the US constituency to vote sensibly or responsibly. I don’t know, however, if they are just daft and vote on vibes, or if they’ve been effectively manipulated by the massive oligarch-sponsored far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership. It could be a combination of both, but it doesn’t matter. Either way, it looks like the US is fucked, since we have no short-term countermeasure for either.
And to be fair, our ultra-wealthy are vastly rich, more so than the plutocracy has ever been in history. What they’re doing now to the US, they’ll be able to do to the rest of the developed world. And it’s already been softened up by decades of neoliberal policy.
There are clear signs that the mainline democratic party (the centrists or establishment Democrats) are captured and are a controlled opposition. Most recently Hakeem Jeffries in an interview threw progressives and DSA under a bus, implying that they are not welcome in the Democratic party because their platform is too extreme. And he counts as Democratic party leadership.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Yoo hoo. Billionaires. We’re coming for you…
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I remember when the media was castigating the 10% or whatever of Bernie voters who said that they would vote for Trump if Bernie didn’t get nominated.
The framing was “There at X number of Bernie bros who are disloyal and will punish the Democrats by voting Trump” instead of “Bernie would take X number of voters from Trump”. Same story, but completely different spin.
atro_city@fedia.io 2 days ago
Smaile@lemmy.ca 22 hours ago
ignoring it will not work, it will only make the tide rise against them while their heads are in the sand.
architect@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
We should all be going To our City meetings Pointing at New York and saying there is the proof you can get things done if you want to get things done or you’re gone.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Btw most of that “unsupporters” are just indifirent, not even against.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 day ago
These companies will become less relevant as time goes on because people see the game.
anonfopyapper@lemmy.world 1 day ago
People don’t see anything. They are desperate, brainwashed enough or don’t have time to do anything due to poverty that system locked them in.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I wish this were true. But the machinery of capitalism can buy up and integrate private journalist institutions (or censor them out of existence) faster and more fluidly than individual information consumers can get out of the way.
Look at the way Newsmax has supplanted Fox, despite hosting all the same awful opinions from many of the same awful opinions. Or how Musk has gobbled up Twitter and Reddit, pushing a minority of a minority onto spaces like Mastadon, Bluesky, and Lemmy. Or Bezos buying WaPo. Or the Ellisons gobbling up CBS. Or Biden letting Donald Trump hand TikTok to his former Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin for a song.
At some point, there’s nowhere to run.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Devils advocate: their wording is shit, but the quote retweet is also wrong
These polls are usually
Do you support thing?
- Yes
- No
- Don’t Know/Don’t Care
So it’s also not necessarily majority support, there could be a sizeable amount of option C
Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Realistically speaking over 50% of Americans categorically don’t know or care.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 day ago
mostly boomers, and older people answer polls anyways. they likely ask for political affiliation as a gauge.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
To be fair, news media have been dicks before. In the cold war, we were so afraid of USSR that it was difficult to find news critical of the US and its government policies. We have the longstanding existence of an ideological enemy to blame for the push of our Overton window to the right. (Also a propaganda effort by the owner class to do that.)
I was taught about news literacy in the late 1980s in college Logic and Critical Thinking. It became useful in the aughts, when George W. Bush was trying to push going into Iraq after we were sore about the 9/11 attacks, and then later when they wanted to suppress the torture and PMCs and war crimes.
At the time we relied on foreign media, and turned to multiple sources to get the facts straight. In the Trump era, there’s a lot of independent media, sometimes getting raided by FBI or ICE.
When a news source injects a bit of spin in its stories, that’s the management of the news agency telling you who they are.
Steve@communick.news 2 days ago
Found the article
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 days ago
Siena University poll showed that 30% of New York voters like the DSA and 47% don’t have a favorable view of them.
Meanwhile, 23% are unsure about how they feel about the movement.
Not quite the numbers the person thought
VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 2 days ago
Let’s compare “Support” to “somewhat unfavorable” + “unfavorable” + “Clearly Unfavorable” + “Against”. Statistic brought to you by yet another billionaire lol.
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They show a pic of Mamdani and then report on statewide feelings. At a glance, one would think that those in NYC aren’t supportive. Which was the idea they’re pushing.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
You’d think there´d be a deep interest in EXPOSING all the horribly unpopular policies the DSA is proposing… yet, tragically, the article does not even mention a single one. Sad.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Where is the poll? I can’t find it
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Richer people want things to stay as they are. Poorer people want things to change.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I"m a libby lib lib, so libby lib lib that everybody right of Bernie seems to like to name call me “Commie” but the absolute stupidity or more likely propaganda that it takes to ignore that this isn’t a binary thing and that “do not support” + “support” = 100% is … fascinating.
Copernican@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I just want progressive politics. The DSA loses me when they call for US to leave NATO, blames USA for Russia invading Ukraine, withdraw support for AOC, etc. the reality is there are some popular mainstream DSA policies, but also a lot of fringe.
coredev@programming.dev 2 days ago
I think you should stop calling it democratic socialism and instead call it social democracy. Socialism scares people. It’s not per se socialism you might want, this is the shit that would transform the US to a beautiful place to live in: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social 2 days ago
Never concede to right-wing framing
The polices are popular. The more Democratic socialists in office that deliver positive material change, the more popular it becomes
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Never concede to right-wing framing
Democrats aren’t conceding to it. They’re writing it for them.
njm1314@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“If we stop calling it global warming then they’ll understand. It’s all about messaging, they’ll come around if we give them what they claim to want.”
That’s you.
late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
this is the shit that would transform the US to a beautiful place to live in
Social democracy alone could do that? You might be overestimating it then. Ideologies are not magic
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
Many of the best things in America are Socialist: Public schools, libraries, museums, fire departments, municipal parks/playground, state parks, national parks, highways, bridges, monuments, etc.
Many people are far more afraid of the WORD Socialist, than actual Socialist concepts. Socialism and Communism have become far too closely associated, to the point of being synonyms, and the Dems have to change that perception.
That’s just one key part of their messaging game that they have take control of. The Conservative Propaganda Machine does a great job of not only controlling their own messaging, but the Dems have always allowed them to define Democratic concepts as well. It’s long past time when the Dems flip the tables, and take control of their own messaging, and start defining MAGA as treasonous, corrupt, racist, and pedophilic, and depraved.