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• Maddie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “Please select all images which evolve melancholy as opposed to existential dread.”

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  • MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “choose the roads that fill you with ennui moreso than the avenues that give you a sense of listless”

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  • burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s like, your opinion man

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    • this@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Please try again

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• Sabre363@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I love how so many of these images meant to fool bots are literally generated by AI

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  • MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because their real purpose is to train the bots. The captcha features are just there to get us to use it.

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    • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s more complicated than that. Only 2 or 3 images are meant to train AI, the rest are meant to establish whether you’re human enough that AI can learn from you.

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• Mandy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is

  Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The nuance is the entire point of the CAPTCHA. It’s not really hard to go “inside warmer than snowy outside” but I imagine whole groups of neurodivergent people will be getting locked out by these.

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    • geogle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Warm could also translate to “cozy” or overall “hue”. Neither would necessarily pick the indoor photos. I don’t think you need to be neurodivergent to be confused, maybe just a little more artistically minded.

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    • Mandy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      okay that one is understandable, thank you

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    • isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks for reminding me of my neurodivergence, I couldn’t figure it out either.

      I was starting to think “ok this one looks lit and cozy, and how am I supposed to tell how well insulated these houses are?”

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  • mateomaui@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    More surprising is how apparently some of you haven’t encountered captchas that employ nuance, and what seems like the obvious answer sometimes isn’t.

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    • Mandy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      my man, its a blizzard and indoors, what part of that has any more nuance than being beaten over the head with the answer

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The thing is that a captcha is made to be solvable by almost anyone.

      So whatever you think the answer is, is probably one of the many correct responses.

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  • kralk@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Something that’s obvious to you isn’t necessarily obvious to everyone.

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  • Old_Dude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It even clearly gives an example of a picture of a living room.

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  • TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is

    Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?

    This is an incredibly narrow view of people, and what ‘obvious’ is. This sentence is absolutely awful if you’re ESL in any way:

    Please select all images of one type that appear warmer in comparison to other images

    Even I stumbled for a second on that sentence. What the hell does ‘appear warmer’ mean? Colour, hue, saturation, is there a temperature reading on them? It can snow at zero degrees, but that middle image could be -20 for all we know; it’s in shadow and the only non-cool-colour in it is that orange rectangle.

    I mean, to me, it’s obvious that you add an apostrophe to ‘don’t’ but you didn’t. Your sentence also doesn’t end with a period. Does that mean I get to call you out for missing such an ‘obvious’ thing, and insult you for not doing it? You know, how obvious and dead simple writing your sentence correctly would be.

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• Drusas@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I'd be with you if it weren't so obvious.

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  • errer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Doesn’t look like anything to me.

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• lwuy9v5@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I assume this just means “pick inside” without saying it directly. The sample photo is of an inside space. No? The two in the middle row, I assume, are the “correct” answer.

  Often the correct answer is only half the puzzle - how you answer (mouse movement) also can be to determine things

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  • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, there’s far more depth to that. The goal isn’t for you to prove yourself human, the goal is to teach an AI how to “think more human”.

    1, 2 and 7 are obviously cold. They’re oustide, with no “warm” colour lighting.

    3 and 6 are both green houses, the green house could be considered “warm”, but 3 has light on the inside. This is perhaps a test against AI readers. To a human, they both seem warm inside, but an AI might differentiate based on the lighting.

    9 is a dark brown house, but 8 is a light brown house that is illuminated by external lighting. This contrasts with 3 and 6, because 6 has external lighting but it does not illuminate much.

    4 and 5 are both internal shots. 4 is light and airy, meanwhile 5 is a bit more grey - but then, grey is the fashion these days.

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    All in all this is a bullshit test made up by bullshit people looking to get a bullshit result, with which they hope to make money off of.

    You’re working to help them make more money, meanwhile they don’t pay you for your labor. They also collect data from your connection to their servers - as well as the website you’re trying to access, you will almost certainly be connecting to at least 2 other servers to deliver this hcaptcha, and thanks to cooperation with the website host hcaptcha will triangulate the internet routing and fingerprinting information to attain a significantly accurate identification of you as an indvidual (which they will then consolidate with whatever other information they have).

    Much like a disgruntled worker might “phone it in”, or work within the requirements of their paid employment, or “quiet quit”; you should limit and perhaps even poison the output you give in proportion to what you’re being paid for your labor.

    The goal isn’t to satisfy captcha, the goal is to get passed it while giving as little commercial value as they compensate you for.

    Your data has value. If it didn’t, then Facebook and Google wouldn’t be amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. You own the value they establish themselves with, they just claim a license.

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    • Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Way to throw a shit fit over paying 5 seconds of labor to use a service

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• mateomaui@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Great, now they expect you to be thinking about lighting temperature terms. People who don’t do photography or haven’t read light bulb boxes won’t know wtf this means.

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They could easily mean ambient temperature.

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    • sdoorex@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The example shows an interior room which would indeed be warmer. There are two which could be what they want you to select.

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  • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t overthink it. Just select the interior ones.

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    • mateomaui@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are you sure about that? Because I’m not.

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• dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you’re wondering why does it seem so strange, it’s because the learning model is actually hyper sophisticated now. It knows what a bus, a bicycle, and a sailboat looks like, now it’s asking for comparative assessments of complex images. It clearly understands that snow is covering houses and that snow is cold.

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  • tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    OK, but that doesn’t explain why anybody decided that this is good UX.

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    • Yearly1845@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It isn’t supposed to be a good user experience, it’s supposed to train their AI models, and they figured out how to get you to do it for free.

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• shadearg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s an example at the top along with the instructions.

  This ain’t exactly the Mississippi.

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• irotsoma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s exactly what the model is trying to learn.

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• BustinJiber@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I worry about commenters in this post that seem to take this as some sort of highly complex problem verging on philosophical rather than a silly little riddle to go through as fast as possible to get to the primary part of website.

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• BilboBargains@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is it the one that’s on fire?

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• RaineV1@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It's the two that aren't outside in the snow.

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  • Lenny@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly. Not that you would need it, but it even gives an example image showing the inside of a room lol

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• FishFace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s the “of one type” that gets me - to me that says I should be examining either the outdoor or the indoor pictures, not comparing between those two types of picture. So I should somehow pick the warmest outdoor or warmest indoor pictures.

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  • Old_Dude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It clearly says to select images of one type, not examine images of one type.

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    • FishFace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I would write it “Select all the images of the type which is warmer than the other type of image”

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  • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think it’s just asking you to pick the indoor pictures because they don’t have snow in them. The confusing wording is to trick AI trying to get through captchas.

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• RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Whole lot of AIs in this thread.

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• TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Numbering left to right, top to bottom, I think the answer should be 3, 5, 6, 9.

  Fuck you for trying to get me to train your AI. If you want my work, fucking pay me.

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  • xkforce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You think 3,6 and 9 are warmer than 4?

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    • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I explicitly left out 4.

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  • amansman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    3, 4, 6, 8 surely.

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    • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m serious, do not call my Shirley.

      3, 4, 6, 8 have the kind of lighting that a person might be drawn towards. The kind of thing they’re trying to train AI towards. My answers are meant to seem like the kind that AI would accept as a human answer, while also being wrong to the human eye.

      It’s 4D chess. You have to predict what the AI thinks you would think, and agree with that, while providing an objectionable answer to the things AI is uncertain about.

      If they want the right answer, they should be paying us for it. They’re a business, labor shouldn’t be free for them.

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• DemBoSain@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I always click randomly on the first 2 attempts to mislead the AI. Hopefully you did the same, and when the robots come to kill us the grease will freeze up and they won’t be able to move.

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• Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Go home, robot, you’re drunk

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• dukethorion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wait until it has us picking between Good images and Bad ones, to train the AI

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That is exactly what this is.

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  • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Please select all targets that should be shot before they have a chance to get away.”

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• Zink@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why the hell are these needed

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  • Cheesus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To train ai models

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    • MossyFeathers@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yep, in this case they’re trying to train an AI on more abstract or “human” characteristics like whether or not something appears warm. That’s what these kinds of captchas are doing though, they’re outsourcing AI training.

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To kick out bots. AI can bypass normal CAPTCHAs better than humans can, so “select the traffic light” and “type these letters” won’t work anymore.

    Now CAPTCHAs are becoming a test in actual mental capacity.

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• octoperson@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Only number 3 conveys the concept of warmth to me. A wintry scene contrasted with orange tinged light visible through house windows is a classic trope to evoke warmth and cosiness. The interiors are undoubtedly a physically higher temperature at the location of the photographer, but the picture is not working to communicate that.

  What “of the same type” means, I have no clue.

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  • BustinJiber@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think lack of snow could be communicating the higher temperature.

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    • octoperson@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Most pictures lack snow. You’d expect the interior of a room to lack snow. Lack of snow alone does not communicate anything unless it’s in a context where you’d normally expect there to be snow.

      If I was a visual designer, and I was tasked with providing a picture to represent warmth, I might choose, I don’t know; hands in mittens clutching steaming mugs of cocoa, a cat snoozing in front of a roaring fire, or what else? Welcoming light shining from the windows of a house in a snowy landscape! If I submitted a nondescript photo off of a real estate listing, and said “look bro! No snow”, I’d be looking for a new job.

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• kite@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I got one the other day that had the third column of images completely cut off on mobile. Didn’t matter what browser I tried. I had to wait until I could get to a desktop to try and access the site.

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• PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Theyre no longer trying to keep bots out. They’re trying to keep humans out. This is exactly the type of thing a bot would be best at. They can probably tell you the estimated temperature to 3 decimals places of each picture.

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  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Turing tests aren’t just about knowing things that a human would. Bots giving a perfect answer where humans would struggle is a perfectly acceptable way to filter.

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is exactly the type of thing a bot sucks at. Training image recognition or text recognition is trivial. Training concepts such as perceived temperature requires state of the art LLMs.

    This isn’t the only question, of course. It’ll stick around until bots are trained for temperature. Then it’ll ask “which of these would make a good picnic spot” or “which of these are big enough to contain an apple”.

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  • Moonrise2473@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    While it wouldn’t be cost effective to write a bot to bypass this, many websites that are employing this hcaptcha are intentionally choosing the harder to solve questions to push VIP subscriptions and similar stuff.

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• pimento64@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  ITT: lemmings who don’t know about color temperature

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